MVP Discussion [19/20] [part I] - voting reopened

[yoyoboy]

Why is Booker not in this list?

27.4 pts (per 36)
50% from 3 on 5.7 attempts
65.1% TS%
5.2 assists (per 36)

Best player on the team with the team with the best point differential, only top 10 offense and defense, while playing one of the toughest schedules. Was super clutch leading to wins against the best projected team in each conference.

Oh and he plays defense now that he doesn’t have to do everything on offense.

4th best point differential, 5th best W/L% (tied), and 6th best SRS. Doesn’t have stats that compare favorably to the top MVP candidates either.

Booker has been great but LeBron, Kawhi, Butler, Giannis, KAT, Doncic, and Embiid (when he’s played) have been on another level.

[Crives]

Why is Booker not in this list?

27.4 pts (per 36)
50% from 3 on 5.7 attempts
65.1% TS%
5.2 assists (per 36)

Best player on the team with the team with the best point differential, only top 10 offense and defense, while playing one of the toughest schedules. Was super clutch leading to wins against the best projected team in each conference.

Oh and he plays defense now that he doesn’t have to do everything on offense.

4th best point differential, 5th best W/L% (tied), and 6th best SRS. Doesn’t have stats that compare favorably to the top MVP candidates either.

Booker has been great but LeBron, Kawhi, Butler, Giannis, Doncic, and Embiid (when he’s played) have been on another level.

I could argue against your numbers... but I will just point out that you named 6 players in a 10 person poll. Booker absolutely deserves to be in the conversation after his performance these first 7 games.

[Theocy]

Why is Booker not in this list?

27.4 pts (per 36)
50% from 3 on 5.7 attempts
65.1% TS%
5.2 assists (per 36)

Best player on the team with the team with the best point differential, only top 10 offense and defense, while playing one of the toughest schedules. Was super clutch leading to wins against the best projected team in each conference.

Oh and he plays defense now that he doesn’t have to do everything on offense.

4th best point differential, 5th best W/L% (tied), and 6th best SRS. Doesn’t have stats that compare favorably to the top MVP candidates either.

Booker has been great but LeBron, Kawhi, Butler, Giannis, Doncic, and Embiid (when he’s played) have been on another level.

I could argue against your numbers... but I will just point out that you named 6 players in a 10 person poll. Booker absolutely deserves to be in the conversation after his performance these first 7 games.

I'm actually happy people are picking up on this fella. For 2 years a few people (including me) have been saying booker had an all star / superstar potential and people are claiming he is an empty stats guy.

Seems like for the first time in a long time the suns roster makes some sense and the kid has the support he needs. I still think he is 2 3 years away from mvp shortlists (way too short of a sample) but still, just tells us one man super teams can't be a thing and even superstars need support to shine.

[The Lazy Potato]

Giannis is dominating the league in offensive points added + defensive points saved. Best 2-way player so far by the stats and it's not even close to be honest.

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[scrabbarista]

Giannis is dominating the league in offensive points added + defensive points saved. Best 2-way player so far by the stats and it's not even close to be honest.

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Eric Gordon is the Giannis Antetokounmpo of not playing basketball well.

[truly]

Giannis is dominating the league in offensive points added + defensive points saved. Best 2-way player so far by the stats and it's not even close to be honest.

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Eric Gordon is the Giannis Antetokounmpo of not playing basketball well.

I've seen people say he has been awful to start the season but I haven't seen him play.Is he really that bad?

[AussieBuck]

Being as bad as basketball as Giannis is good is quite the accomplishment.

[scrabbarista]

I've seen people say he has been awful to start the season but I haven't seen him play.Is he really that bad?

I haven't watched enough, or closely enough, to respond in detail, but the chart looks convincing to me. It measures what's actually happened so far this season. That's not to say Gordon couldn't perform very differently in a different context or that he won't turn his season around. But, so far as what's happened up to this point in the season, I'd say the graph is accurate. I don't think he's contributed much of anything positive on either end yet.

[LikeABosh]

Giannis is dominating the league in offensive points added + defensive points saved. Best 2-way player so far by the stats and it's not even close to be honest.

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Eric Gordon is the Giannis Antetokounmpo of not playing basketball well.

Giannis wish he could shoot 23% from 3

[iggymcfrack]

Why is Booker not in this list?

27.4 pts (per 36)
50% from 3 on 5.7 attempts
65.1% TS%
5.2 assists (per 36)

Best player on the team with the team with the best point differential, only top 10 offense and defense, while playing one of the toughest schedules. Was super clutch leading to wins against the best projected team in each conference.

Oh and he plays defense now that he doesn’t have to do everything on offense.

4th best point differential, 5th best W/L% (tied), and 6th best SRS. Doesn’t have stats that compare favorably to the top MVP candidates either.

Booker has been great but LeBron, Kawhi, Butler, Giannis, Doncic, and Embiid (when he’s played) have been on another level.

I could argue against your numbers... but I will just point out that you named 6 players in a 10 person poll. Booker absolutely deserves to be in the conversation after his performance these first 7 games.

Booker has a PER of 21.4, a BPM of 3.2, and is a poor defender. His on/off is +0.7. He’s not even close to being close to being an MVP candidate. Honestly, Aron Baynes has probably been the MVP of the Suns this far.

[Edrees]

Giannis is dominating the league in offensive points added + defensive points saved. Best 2-way player so far by the stats and it's not even close to be honest.

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Wow, that chart is scarily accurate in how I view all those players through the season thus far.

Being as bad as basketball as Giannis is good is quite the accomplishment.

He's not any worse than James Harden defensively.

[SideshowBob]

MVP - Howard
MIP - Howard
6MOY - Howard
DPOY - Howard

[TheHartBreakKid]

It's early and I absolutely wouldn't bet on Lebron to win it when it's all said and done, but good lord, as of right, how is anyone ahead of him right now?


The one thing that no one is talking about: his defense has been incredible. The best defense he's played since miami imho

[The High Cyde]

It's early but damn, Bron has a good a chance as anyone to win it this year...he has offense, defense, and a conference leading record right now...in his 17th season, sheesh.

[EArl]

Kahwi "load managing" another back to back. I thought this wouldn't be an issue this year.

[Young Stapler]

Lebron is winning MVP. Lock this thread.

[igorbianch]

Kawhi doesnt deserve the MVP even if plays extremely well.

He is robbing the fans of another national TV game.

[JordansBulls]

Kawhi should get it for the fact that Lebron would be afraid to do anything against him as he has had issues going against Kawhi even when Kawhi wasn't that good yet.

[Benedict_Boozer]

Kahwi "load managing" another back to back. I thought this wouldn't be an issue this year.

It’s pathetic. Honestly a disgrace to the other past greats who put in the work throughout the season AND playoffs and the fans paying good money to see him out there.

He won’t get flack for it if he gets it done come playoff time, but he should.


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[Crives]

4th best point differential, 5th best W/L% (tied), and 6th best SRS. Doesn’t have stats that compare favorably to the top MVP candidates either.

Booker has been great but LeBron, Kawhi, Butler, Giannis, Doncic, and Embiid (when he’s played) have been on another level.

I could argue against your numbers... but I will just point out that you named 6 players in a 10 person poll. Booker absolutely deserves to be in the conversation after his performance these first 7 games.

Booker has a PER of 21.4, a BPM of 3.2, and is a poor defender. His on/off is +0.7. He’s not even close to being close to being an MVP candidate. Honestly, Aron Baynes has probably been the MVP of the Suns this far.

Have you watched Booker this year? Calling Booker a poor defender leads me to believe that you have not.

He led the suns to victory against the supposed best team in each conference with an amazing performance. And has been the best player on one of the most impressive teams these first 7 games. I already posted the team/individual stats..

Please don’t try to use all in one regression stats this early in the season. Baynes has been great but he’s far from Books level. Please read up on collinearity if you want to know why stats like BPM are silly, especially after 7 games. https://www.google.com/search?client=safari&source=hp&ei=NlXCXcXpH5TD0PEP_LOOwAQ&q=collinearity&oq=colinearity&gs_l=mobile-gws-wiz-hp.1.0.0i10l8.2213.6639..7630...0.0..0.127.1067.6j5......0....1.......0..0j46i131j0i131j46j46i275j0i131i155.ugrmIqjlsio