2019-20 NBA Season Discussion

[Dr Spaceman]

[thebigbird]

They probably lack rhythm when LeBron is on the bench because LeBron is a control freak and wants to monopolize the damn sport. Turning AD into a role player now? 0.9 OBPM is role player level. If LeBron has another superstar on his team, I expect a top 5 offense? Not 13th.

Anthony Davis is averaging above his career averages in points, rebounds, assists, field goal attempts, free throw attempts, blocks, and usage rating. His usage rating is higher than "control freak" LeBron's. Tell us more about how he is turning AD into a role player. I'm sure he is crying himself to sleep over their 6-1 record. Do you just try throwing as much as you can at the wall in hopes that something sticks? Because you get basically everything wrong.

Davis is having his 5th worst PER season, his OBPM looks like a damn role player impact, worst TS since his rookie season. You are a big LeBron fan and like to hype him up, I get it. The fact is Lakers are carried by an elite defense anchored by Davis/Dwight and a little bit of LeBron. LeBron is putting up numbers but he's decreasing Anthony Davis numbers just like he did for Bosh and love. LeBron has never even been on a #1 offense before and now he has the 13th ranked offense. So in a sense he's more like a rich man's peak Westbrook at this point in his career, puts up stats but doesn't make his teammates better.

"Fifth worst PER" bro, he has only played 8 seasons, lmao. "Fifth worst PER" is also the fourth best PER of his career. LeBron isn't "decreasing his numbers," before last night's game AD was averaging 29/12. He was in foul trouble last night and had an off game. Do tell us how LeBron is decreasing his numbers when he is averaging above his career averages in every single box score statistic? AD was just named player of the week last week. LeBron is really making him suck huh.

And yeah, I'm a big LeBron fan. What's your point? Facts are facts, and you get basically every single one of them about LeBron wrong.

[Homer38]

They probably lack rhythm when LeBron is on the bench because LeBron is a control freak and wants to monopolize the damn sport. Turning AD into a role player now? 0.9 OBPM is role player level. If LeBron has another superstar on his team, I expect a top 5 offense? Not 13th.

Anthony Davis is averaging above his career averages in points, rebounds, assists, field goal attempts, free throw attempts, blocks, and usage rating. His usage rating is higher than "control freak" LeBron's. Tell us more about how he is turning AD into a role player. I'm sure he is crying himself to sleep over their 6-1 record. Do you just try throwing as much as you can at the wall in hopes that something sticks? Because you get basically everything wrong.

Davis is having his 5th worst PER season, his OBPM looks like a damn role player impact, worst TS since his rookie season. You are a big LeBron fan and like to hype him up, I get it. The fact is Lakers are carried by an elite defense anchored by Davis/Dwight and a little bit of LeBron. LeBron is putting up numbers but he's decreasing Anthony Davis numbers just like he did for Bosh and love. LeBron has never even been on a #1 offense before and now he has the 13th ranked offense. So in a sense he's more like a rich man's peak Westbrook at this point in his career, puts up stats but doesn't make his teammates better.

You are an embarrassment sometimes

Firstly, you judge a player on only 7 games and secondly you did not even watch the numbers of Davis with LeBron on the court ....


You have of course no comment on the offensive rating of 116 when LBJ and Davis are on the court together when the best rating on offense in the NBA is 113.

Of course you'll blame LeBron on the bad offense when he's off the court as if it's his fault for September 11, 2001 .... it's all his fault, even when they're 6-1 with a great offense and defense when he is on the court!

[HBK_Kliq_33]

Anthony Davis is averaging above his career averages in points, rebounds, assists, field goal attempts, free throw attempts, blocks, and usage rating. His usage rating is higher than "control freak" LeBron's. Tell us more about how he is turning AD into a role player. I'm sure he is crying himself to sleep over their 6-1 record. Do you just try throwing as much as you can at the wall in hopes that something sticks? Because you get basically everything wrong.

Davis is having his 5th worst PER season, his OBPM looks like a damn role player impact, worst TS since his rookie season. You are a big LeBron fan and like to hype him up, I get it. The fact is Lakers are carried by an elite defense anchored by Davis/Dwight and a little bit of LeBron. LeBron is putting up numbers but he's decreasing Anthony Davis numbers just like he did for Bosh and love. LeBron has never even been on a #1 offense before and now he has the 13th ranked offense. So in a sense he's more like a rich man's peak Westbrook at this point in his career, puts up stats but doesn't make his teammates better.

You are an embarrassment sometimes

Firstly, you judge a player on only 7 games and secondly you did not even watch the numbers of Davis with LeBron on the court ....


You have of course no comment on the offensive rating of 116 when LBJ and Davis are on the court together when the best rating on offense in the NBA is 113.

Of course you'll blame LeBron on the bad offense when he's off the court as if it's his fault for September 11, 2001 .... it's all his fault, even when they're 6-1 with a great offense and defense when he is on the court!

LeBron plays great himself when Davis is on the court. However, LeBron has so far taken away all of Anthony Davis OBPM impact. That tells me so far that Davis isn't comfortable with LeBron.

[yoyoboy]

They probably lack rhythm when LeBron is on the bench because LeBron is a control freak and wants to monopolize the damn sport. Turning AD into a role player now? 0.9 OBPM is role player level. If LeBron has another superstar on his team, I expect a top 5 offense? Not 13th.

Anthony Davis is averaging above his career averages in points, rebounds, assists, field goal attempts, free throw attempts, blocks, and usage rating. His usage rating is higher than "control freak" LeBron's. Tell us more about how he is turning AD into a role player. I'm sure he is crying himself to sleep over their 6-1 record. Do you just try throwing as much as you can at the wall in hopes that something sticks? Because you get basically everything wrong.

Davis is having his 5th worst PER season, his OBPM looks like a damn role player impact, worst TS since his rookie season. You are a big LeBron fan and like to hype him up, I get it. The fact is Lakers are carried by an elite defense anchored by Davis/Dwight and a little bit of LeBron. LeBron is putting up numbers but he's decreasing Anthony Davis numbers just like he did for Bosh and love. LeBron has never even been on a #1 offense before and now he has the 13th ranked offense. So in a sense he's more like a rich man's peak Westbrook at this point in his career, puts up stats but doesn't make his teammates better.

Your posts are great proof that if you have an even decent grasp of statistics, you can manipulate them to say basically whatever you want, either by drawing conclusions from them that really shouldn't be made or by just presenting mere parts of the full picture. I'll do the same with Kawhi.

2019: Lowry - 2.5 OBPM, 56.2% TS, 20.1 pts per 100
2020: Lowry - 5.3 OBPM, 65.6% TS, 28.8 pts per 100

2019: Lou Will - 3.1 OBPM, 55.4% TS, 35.5 pts per 100
2020: Lou Will - 1.1 OBPM, 52.9% TS, 31.5 pts per 100

Raptors 2019 Season:
Lowry w/o Leonard: +13.0 Net Rating
Leonard w/o Lowry: +6.5 Net Rating

Clippers Offense:
2019 Season - 112.4 ORTG,
2019 Post Harris Trade - 114.1 ORTG
2020 Season - 112.1 ORTG

Raptors Defense:
2019 Season - 107.1 DRTG
2020 Season - 102.0 DRTG

It really is a shame that Kawhi neutered Lowry the way he did. You can also see that the Raptors' success was clearly more of a result of Lowry than it was Kawhi. Now it looks like he's doing the same to what was the Clippers' lead creator. And this season, the Raptors have managed to be a significantly better defense by getting rid of such a negative on that end. And unfortunately for the Clippers, their offense has actually managed to get worse by adding Kawhi. Even if you exclude the Utah game in which he didn't play, the Clippers' ORTG would still hover just above 114 - about equal to what it was for them last season after the Harris trade. Therefore, it's safe to say Kawhi has neutral offensive impact and negative defensive impact. His ballhogging ISO tendencies really hurt the creators on his teams. Nowhere close to an MVP candidate.

[thebigbird]

Davis is having his 5th worst PER season, his OBPM looks like a damn role player impact, worst TS since his rookie season. You are a big LeBron fan and like to hype him up, I get it. The fact is Lakers are carried by an elite defense anchored by Davis/Dwight and a little bit of LeBron. LeBron is putting up numbers but he's decreasing Anthony Davis numbers just like he did for Bosh and love. LeBron has never even been on a #1 offense before and now he has the 13th ranked offense. So in a sense he's more like a rich man's peak Westbrook at this point in his career, puts up stats but doesn't make his teammates better.

You are an embarrassment sometimes

Firstly, you judge a player on only 7 games and secondly you did not even watch the numbers of Davis with LeBron on the court ....


You have of course no comment on the offensive rating of 116 when LBJ and Davis are on the court together when the best rating on offense in the NBA is 113.

Of course you'll blame LeBron on the bad offense when he's off the court as if it's his fault for September 11, 2001 .... it's all his fault, even when they're 6-1 with a great offense and defense when he is on the court!

LeBron plays great himself when Davis is on the court. However, LeBron has so far taken away all of Anthony Davis OBPM impact. That tells me so far that Davis isn't comfortable with LeBron.

We all know that you only latched onto OBPM because you want to push a narrative and that's about the only thing you can use to push it. Do you even know how the statistic is calculated?

If Davis isn't comfortable with LeBron then he would be playing better with LeBron on the bench, but that's not even close to the case.

[Homer38]

Davis is having his 5th worst PER season, his OBPM looks like a damn role player impact, worst TS since his rookie season. You are a big LeBron fan and like to hype him up, I get it. The fact is Lakers are carried by an elite defense anchored by Davis/Dwight and a little bit of LeBron. LeBron is putting up numbers but he's decreasing Anthony Davis numbers just like he did for Bosh and love. LeBron has never even been on a #1 offense before and now he has the 13th ranked offense. So in a sense he's more like a rich man's peak Westbrook at this point in his career, puts up stats but doesn't make his teammates better.

You are an embarrassment sometimes

Firstly, you judge a player on only 7 games and secondly you did not even watch the numbers of Davis with LeBron on the court ....


You have of course no comment on the offensive rating of 116 when LBJ and Davis are on the court together when the best rating on offense in the NBA is 113.

Of course you'll blame LeBron on the bad offense when he's off the court as if it's his fault for September 11, 2001 .... it's all his fault, even when they're 6-1 with a great offense and defense when he is on the court!

LeBron plays great himself when Davis is on the court. However, LeBron has so far taken away all of Anthony Davis OBPM impact. That tells me so far that Davis isn't comfortable with LeBron.

Davis numbers like efficiency is much better with LBJ ... 50% FG% with LBJ on the court (on 59% TS and he was at 58 TS% in his career in New Orleand) vs. 37% FG (on 50% TS) without LeBron, but it's just a matter of time before Davis is much better when LBJ is off the court, since it's only 7 games and Rondo is going to be back soon to be the PG when LBJ is going to be on the bench .... of course Davis was also player of the week last week, so luckily it's going bad with LBJ....

[HBK_Kliq_33]

Anthony Davis is averaging above his career averages in points, rebounds, assists, field goal attempts, free throw attempts, blocks, and usage rating. His usage rating is higher than "control freak" LeBron's. Tell us more about how he is turning AD into a role player. I'm sure he is crying himself to sleep over their 6-1 record. Do you just try throwing as much as you can at the wall in hopes that something sticks? Because you get basically everything wrong.

Davis is having his 5th worst PER season, his OBPM looks like a damn role player impact, worst TS since his rookie season. You are a big LeBron fan and like to hype him up, I get it. The fact is Lakers are carried by an elite defense anchored by Davis/Dwight and a little bit of LeBron. LeBron is putting up numbers but he's decreasing Anthony Davis numbers just like he did for Bosh and love. LeBron has never even been on a #1 offense before and now he has the 13th ranked offense. So in a sense he's more like a rich man's peak Westbrook at this point in his career, puts up stats but doesn't make his teammates better.

Your posts are great proof that if you have an even decent grasp of statistics, you can manipulate them to say basically whatever you want, either by drawing conclusions from them that really shouldn't be made or by just presenting mere parts of the full picture. I'll do the same with Kawhi.

2019: Lowry - 2.5 OBPM, 56.2% TS, 20.1 pts per 100
2020: Lowry - 5.3 OBPM, 65.6% TS, 28.8 pts per 100

2019: Lou Will - 3.1 OBPM, 55.4% TS, 35.5 pts per 100
2020: Lou Will - 1.1 OBPM, 52.9% TS, 31.5 pts per 100

Raptors 2019 Season:
Lowry w/o Leonard: +13.0 Net Rating
Leonard w/o Lowry: +6.5 Net Rating

Clippers Offense:
2019 Season - 112.4 ORTG,
2019 Post Harris Trade - 114.1 ORTG
2020 Season - 112.1 ORTG

Raptors Defense:
2019 Season - 107.1 DRTG
2020 Season - 102.0 DRTG

It really is a shame that Kawhi neutered Lowry the way he did. You can also see that the Raptors' success was clearly more of a result of Lowry than it was Kawhi. Now it looks like he's doing the same to what was the Clippers' lead creator. And this season, the Raptors have managed to be a significantly better defense by getting rid of such a negative on that end. And unfortunately for the Clippers, their offense has actually managed to get worse by adding Kawhi. Even if you exclude the Utah game in which he didn't play, the Clippers' ORTG would still hover just above 114 - about equal to what it was for them last season after the Harris trade. Therefore, it's safe to say Kawhi has neutral offensive impact and negative defensive impact. His ballhogging ISO tendencies really hurt the creators on his teams. Nowhere close to an MVP candidate.

You can't compare Lowry to Davis because Lowry is a 3 and D guy with playmaking ability, while Davis is supposed to be a legit top 5 player. Lowry is still able to make his impact at the end of the day because kawhi doesn't monopolize the offense like LeBron does.

Clippers offense is ranked #3 right now and kawhi sat out vs jazz #2 defense. So if you take away the game when the offensive rating dropped vs elite defense while kawhi sat out? Clippers have #2 or #1 offense with Kawhi. Raptors on the other hand have an offense that has dropped to 12th and defense is at 8th. Last year Kawhi/Lowry played 60/65 games and had the offense at 5th and defense at 5th. Expect that raptors offense to drop even further as well because Lowry will not keep up his current numbers and siakam's horrible playmaking will be exposed, gasol is washed up, they are done man.

[HBK_Kliq_33]

You are an embarrassment sometimes

Firstly, you judge a player on only 7 games and secondly you did not even watch the numbers of Davis with LeBron on the court ....


You have of course no comment on the offensive rating of 116 when LBJ and Davis are on the court together when the best rating on offense in the NBA is 113.

Of course you'll blame LeBron on the bad offense when he's off the court as if it's his fault for September 11, 2001 .... it's all his fault, even when they're 6-1 with a great offense and defense when he is on the court!

LeBron plays great himself when Davis is on the court. However, LeBron has so far taken away all of Anthony Davis OBPM impact. That tells me so far that Davis isn't comfortable with LeBron.

We all know that you only latched onto OBPM because you want to push a narrative and that's about the only thing you can use to push it. Do you even know how the statistic is calculated?

If Davis isn't comfortable with LeBron then he would be playing better with LeBron on the bench, but that's not even close to the case.

Well if you have a 0.9 OBPM, that's pretty suspect. That tells me he's not having much of an offensive impact? OBPM seems to be more reliable than DBPM. LeBron is taking Davis out of his comfort zone offensively and he's already flustered by the time LeBron sits out. What's with the 0.9 OBPM? Did Davis just turn into a prime Dwight Howard level offense player?

[Homer38]

LeBron plays great himself when Davis is on the court. However, LeBron has so far taken away all of Anthony Davis OBPM impact. That tells me so far that Davis isn't comfortable with LeBron.

We all know that you only latched onto OBPM because you want to push a narrative and that's about the only thing you can use to push it. Do you even know how the statistic is calculated?

If Davis isn't comfortable with LeBron then he would be playing better with LeBron on the bench, but that's not even close to the case.

Well if you have a 0.9 OBPM, that's pretty suspect. That tells me he's not having much of an offensive impact? OBPM seems to be more reliable than DBPM. LeBron is taking Davis out of his comfort zone offensively and he's already flustered by the time LeBron sits out. What's with the 0.9 OBPM? Did Davis just turn into a prime Dwight Howard level offense player?

Of course, you ignore my post 387 of this page, since you know it's another L for you!

LeBron is taking Davis out of his comfort zone offensively and he's already flustered by the time LeBron sits out

Blame LeBron for September 11, 2001 too

[Homer38]

Davis is having his 5th worst PER season, his OBPM looks like a damn role player impact, worst TS since his rookie season. You are a big LeBron fan and like to hype him up, I get it. The fact is Lakers are carried by an elite defense anchored by Davis/Dwight and a little bit of LeBron. LeBron is putting up numbers but he's decreasing Anthony Davis numbers just like he did for Bosh and love. LeBron has never even been on a #1 offense before and now he has the 13th ranked offense. So in a sense he's more like a rich man's peak Westbrook at this point in his career, puts up stats but doesn't make his teammates better.

Your posts are great proof that if you have an even decent grasp of statistics, you can manipulate them to say basically whatever you want, either by drawing conclusions from them that really shouldn't be made or by just presenting mere parts of the full picture. I'll do the same with Kawhi.

2019: Lowry - 2.5 OBPM, 56.2% TS, 20.1 pts per 100
2020: Lowry - 5.3 OBPM, 65.6% TS, 28.8 pts per 100

2019: Lou Will - 3.1 OBPM, 55.4% TS, 35.5 pts per 100
2020: Lou Will - 1.1 OBPM, 52.9% TS, 31.5 pts per 100

Raptors 2019 Season:
Lowry w/o Leonard: +13.0 Net Rating
Leonard w/o Lowry: +6.5 Net Rating

Clippers Offense:
2019 Season - 112.4 ORTG,
2019 Post Harris Trade - 114.1 ORTG
2020 Season - 112.1 ORTG

Raptors Defense:
2019 Season - 107.1 DRTG
2020 Season - 102.0 DRTG

It really is a shame that Kawhi neutered Lowry the way he did. You can also see that the Raptors' success was clearly more of a result of Lowry than it was Kawhi. Now it looks like he's doing the same to what was the Clippers' lead creator. And this season, the Raptors have managed to be a significantly better defense by getting rid of such a negative on that end. And unfortunately for the Clippers, their offense has actually managed to get worse by adding Kawhi. Even if you exclude the Utah game in which he didn't play, the Clippers' ORTG would still hover just above 114 - about equal to what it was for them last season after the Harris trade. Therefore, it's safe to say Kawhi has neutral offensive impact and negative defensive impact. His ballhogging ISO tendencies really hurt the creators on his teams. Nowhere close to an MVP candidate.

You can't compare Lowry to Davis because Lowry is a 3 and D guy with playmaking ability, while Davis is supposed to be a legit top 5 player. Lowry is still able to make his impact at the end of the day because kawhi doesn't monopolize the offense like LeBron does.

Clippers offense is ranked #3 right now and kawhi sat out vs jazz #2 defense. So if you take away the game when the offensive rating dropped vs elite defense while kawhi sat out? Clippers have #2 or #1 offense with Kawhi. Raptors on the other hand have an offense that has dropped to 12th and defense is at 8th. Last year Kawhi/Lowry played 60/65 games and had the offense at 5th and defense at 5th. Expect that raptors offense to drop even further as well because Lowry will not keep up his current numbers and siakam's horrible playmaking will be exposed, gasol is washed up, they are done man.

The same washed up Gasol that shutdown Embiid last year in the second round ....

[Dr Spaceman]

Davis is having his 5th worst PER season, his OBPM looks like a damn role player impact, worst TS since his rookie season. You are a big LeBron fan and like to hype him up, I get it. The fact is Lakers are carried by an elite defense anchored by Davis/Dwight and a little bit of LeBron. LeBron is putting up numbers but he's decreasing Anthony Davis numbers just like he did for Bosh and love. LeBron has never even been on a #1 offense before and now he has the 13th ranked offense. So in a sense he's more like a rich man's peak Westbrook at this point in his career, puts up stats but doesn't make his teammates better.

You are an embarrassment sometimes

Firstly, you judge a player on only 7 games and secondly you did not even watch the numbers of Davis with LeBron on the court ....


You have of course no comment on the offensive rating of 116 when LBJ and Davis are on the court together when the best rating on offense in the NBA is 113.

Of course you'll blame LeBron on the bad offense when he's off the court as if it's his fault for September 11, 2001 .... it's all his fault, even when they're 6-1 with a great offense and defense when he is on the court!

LeBron plays great himself when Davis is on the court. However, LeBron has so far taken away all of Anthony Davis OBPM impact. That tells me so far that Davis isn't comfortable with LeBron.

That’s actually what Davis said in the Chicago press conference. “LeBron has taken my OBPM impact and if he doesn’t give it back to me I’ll come play in Chicago. LeBron, if you’re listening, just leave my OBPM impact in my hotel room when I’m not there, I won’t make a big deal of it and you can pretend it wasn’t you.”

[thebigbird]

LeBron plays great himself when Davis is on the court. However, LeBron has so far taken away all of Anthony Davis OBPM impact. That tells me so far that Davis isn't comfortable with LeBron.

We all know that you only latched onto OBPM because you want to push a narrative and that's about the only thing you can use to push it. Do you even know how the statistic is calculated?

If Davis isn't comfortable with LeBron then he would be playing better with LeBron on the bench, but that's not even close to the case.

Well if you have a 0.9 OBPM, that's pretty suspect. That tells me he's not having much of an offensive impact? OBPM seems to be more reliable than DBPM. LeBron is taking Davis out of his comfort zone offensively and he's already flustered by the time LeBron sits out. What's with the 0.9 OBPM? Did Davis just turn into a prime Dwight Howard level offense player?

He's played 7 games with a brand new team, he's averaging 27/11 per game along with 3 blocks, they're 6-1, they have the 2nd best defense in the league, and you want to talk about OBPM. lol

[MisterHibachi]

I gave HBK the benefit of the doubt at the beginning, and assumed he was just a dedicated, biased stan. He's much closer to outright troll now though.

[mcraft]

I'm also disappointed with how AD is playing with Lebron. I wish he was on the Clippers with Kawhi. Without Lebron hamstringing him he would obviously be averaging 40 points and 20 rebounds a game.

[liamliam1234]

^ Except for every game the Clippers lose, in which case it would be because Davis did not pull his weight and wilted just like against 2018 Golden State.

[mcraft]

^ Except for every game the Clippers lose, in which case it would be because Davis did not pull his weight and wilted just like against 2018 Golden State.

Yes, exactly.

[Slava]

I haven't seen Dwight move this well in a decade.

Read on Twitter

[Dr Spaceman]

I haven't seen Dwight move this well in a decade.

Read on Twitter

Still seems too stiff to bend at the waist But it’s nice to see the improvement in mobility and motivation. Hopefully he can keep it up the whole season now that he’s got a taste of his old life back.

I legit can’t remember a guy who had a comeback year this good after multiple down years. Rose has bounced back but not like this.

EDIT: 3/9 on the year from the free throw line is his only flaw

[Slava]

I haven't seen Dwight move this well in a decade.

Read on Twitter

Still seems too stiff to bend at the waist But it’s nice to see the improvement in mobility and motivation. Hopefully he can keep it up the whole season now that he’s got a taste of his old life back.

I legit can’t remember a guy who had a comeback year this good after multiple down years. Rose has bounced back but not like this.

EDIT: 3/9 on the year from the free throw line is his only flaw

He was a total liability on pick and roll defense in Charlotte. Now watching him switch and smother teenage point guards is like watching an entirely different player.