2019-20 OKC Thunder Regular Season Thread

[ThunderBolt]

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Wasn't Dre doing some full contact practices at some point or am I remembering incorrectly?

[Old Man Game]

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But only because Durant was a Sonic his first year.

[Osirus89]

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That's downright rude.

Muscala is bad but I think he really helps our tank quite a bit and he's at least passable enough as a vet that you don't look like you're openly tanking. (Not like if we started plowing tons of minutes into Patton for instance). That could be important to keep the fan base from checking out.

Things like this are worrisome when it comes to a GM like Presti. Either he gets guys that have been ok-ish shooters and they just forget how to shoot or he goes after guys that could never shoot to begin with.

I saw the story about Presti scouting the Israeli kid Deni Avdija. He can't shoot either.
https://www.fiba.basketball/europe/u20/2019/player/Deni-Avdija

Presti has screwed up any number of times with picks in the 20s, but you can survive those because your team has to be good to pick there. You can't screw up lottery picks and while the last lottery pick Presti picked was a nice player (Domantas), the one before that was Cameron Payne. At least he basically had SGA fall into his lap, but when he actually has to make the picks.... oh boy.

It seems like Presti's philosophy works better for higher picks because their floor is higher. However it does look like both Bazley and Diallo have some potential to be rotation players.

I will admit.. I do like Bazely. He seems like he has good understanding of how to play the game despite having not playing a minute of college basketball which is pretty impressive. If he can get better with his ball handling, he could be quite a player. Diallo plays his tail off on the defensive end. Still can't shoot a lick, but he is aggressive and at least puts some pressure on the defense with drives.

[Pillendreher]

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Wasn't Dre doing some full contact practices at some point or am I remembering incorrectly?

Roberson not even being able to handle contact practices almost two years after the injury tells you all you need to know about the prospects of his NBA career.

[spearsy23]

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Wasn't Dre doing some full contact practices at some point or am I remembering incorrectly?

Roberson not even being able to handle contact practices almost two years after the injury tells you all you need to know about the prospects of his NBA career.

He'll be playing the non-contact portion of games in no time.

[slick_watts]

the warriors are going to out-tank us. we need to trade gallo asap.

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Wasn't Dre doing some full contact practices at some point or am I remembering incorrectly?

Roberson not even being able to handle contact practices almost two years after the injury tells you all you need to know about the prospects of his NBA career.

it was over when they went in a 2nd time. he's missed almost as much game time as antonio mcdyess, and mcdyess not only tore his patellar tendon, but came back and broke his knee cap the following preseason. there's plenty of incentive for roberson to get out there and show he can play and it says a lot that he isn't doing it.

[ThunderBolt]

the warriors are going to out-tank us. we need to trade gallo asap.

Portland makes so much sense that I can’t stand it.

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“When I saw the iso situation, I went back and watched all the isos,” Donovan said. “And those aren’t isos to me. Just based on the metrics and the way they do it, if a player gets the basketball, catches it and drives a guy, they’re looking at it as iso. That’s not iso to me. Iso to me is when you throw it to a guy, he holds it for four or five seconds, he’s sizing a guy up or he’s just holding the ball. So, I don’t necessarily agree with how they’re doing it metrics-wise. Now, there are some that are isos.”

According to NBA.com, the Thunder ran isolation plays 9.4 percent of the time in its first six games, which ranks No. 3 in the NBA. The Rockets lead the league with 18 percent.

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Of course he isn't.

The franchise really wasted half a decade with this tool.

[slick_watts]

billy donovan's definition of an iso isn't unusual, and again he's demonstrating some knowledge of how the nba.com metrics operate. donovan has said a bunch of woke things over the years that make me suspect he's a high level basketball mind and particularly open to the influence of advanced metrics, his occasional ramblings notwithstanding.

on another note, the thunder defense is allowing 45.2% eFG, which is for sure not sustainable. but it's interesting to me the defense is performing well in a way completely opposite to their start last season.

[ThunderBolt]

billy donovan's definition of an iso isn't unusual, and again he's demonstrating some knowledge of how the nba.com metrics operate. donovan has said a bunch of woke things over the years that make me suspect he's a high level basketball mind and particularly open to the influence of advanced metrics, his occasional ramblings notwithstanding.

on another note, the thunder defense is allowing 45.2% eFG, which is for sure not sustainable. but it's interesting to me the defense is performing well in a way completely opposite to their start last season.

My post was made mostly in jest. The offense has looked much better the last few games, the exception being the Dennis Schorder iso-plays. They seem to be willing to run the offense through Paul, SGA and Adams.

[spearsy23]

billy donovan's definition of an iso isn't unusual, and again he's demonstrating some knowledge of how the nba.com metrics operate. donovan has said a bunch of woke things over the years that make me suspect he's a high level basketball mind and particularly open to the influence of advanced metrics, his occasional ramblings notwithstanding.

on another note, the thunder defense is allowing 45.2% eFG, which is for sure not sustainable. but it's interesting to me the defense is performing well in a way completely opposite to their start last season.

Important to note that it's possible to be a great basketball mind and still be a bad coach. Applied vs theoretical knowledge.

[slick_watts]

billy donovan's definition of an iso isn't unusual, and again he's demonstrating some knowledge of how the nba.com metrics operate. donovan has said a bunch of woke things over the years that make me suspect he's a high level basketball mind and particularly open to the influence of advanced metrics, his occasional ramblings notwithstanding.

on another note, the thunder defense is allowing 45.2% eFG, which is for sure not sustainable. but it's interesting to me the defense is performing well in a way completely opposite to their start last season.

Important to note that it's possible to be a great basketball mind and still be a bad coach. Applied vs theoretical knowledge.

sure. p.j. was proof positive of that. the opposite can also be true.

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I hope this doesn't screw up Muscala's shooting.

[Bergmaniac]

How come Schroder has by far the best net rating and especially on-off rating (+20.2) of all players on your team? His individual stats are quite dreadful. I doubt he's become a great defender overnight despite his current amazing DRTG, so it's probably just an early season coincidence, but it just feels wrong to see it.

[ThunderBolt]

How come Schroder has by far the best net rating and especially on-off rating (+20.2) of all players on your team? His individual stats are quite dreadful. I doubt he's become a great defender overnight despite his current amazing DRTG, so it's probably just an early season coincidence, but it just feels wrong to see it.

Probably the same reason Wil Barton is a beast according to 538's Raptor rankings. I would give it some time and see how things go. Dennis had a couple of good games/halves so far.

[ThunderBolt]

Shai is getting some nice recognition.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/28021786/ten-nba-things-like-including-luka-doncic-trickery

[slick_watts]

trend to possibly keep an eye on.

paul-sga-gallinari w/ferguson = -4.74pp100
paul-sga-gallinari w/o ferguson = +13.91pp100

hamidou diallo and dennis schroder the vast majority of minutes in place of ferguson in the second sample.