Giannis Thread - DPOY Page 88

[emunney]

I think part of the problem with Gainnis' shooting is that his hands are too dang big.

Probably not an apples to apples comparison, but when I shoot with a mini basketball, I shoot significantly worse than with a regular ball. There is less room for my hands to get a feel for the ball.

I have had this same thought before, but then I quickly decide that if I did nothing but try and shoot a mini ball my entire life I would get really damn good at it.

Have Malcolm Gladwell shot into the sun

Well, try to shoot Malcolm Gladwell into the sun for 10,000 hours and

[0BobLobLaw0]

I think part of the problem with Gainnis' shooting is that his hands are too dang big.

Probably not an apples to apples comparison, but when I shoot with a mini basketball, I shoot significantly worse than with a regular ball. There is less room for my hands to get a feel for the ball.

I don't think this is a great comparison since you've probably played almost exclusively with a normal ball your whole life. Like have you ever tried shooting with a giant ball, and if so, were you way better at it? I don't think hand-to-ball ratio is the determining factor here.

I don't think it's the only factor, but I think there is something to it.

Same with Shaq back in the day, I too think it was part of the problem. In his FTs he basically just had his finger tips on the ball since his while hands would engulf the ball.

[mattg]

I don’t think it’s a hand size issue. Emunney and I discussed it last year when people were posting GIFs of Giannis shooting, but his mechanics are all sorts of jacked up. His lower body is not in sync with his upper body. In addition he leans back, his release point is wildly inconsistent, AND he has big hands.

Realistically it’s a combination of everything, but until he gets his form and mechanics to be consistent, he will never approach being a good shooter.

[TD75]

Giannis' FT routine is a problem. There are too many disjoint parts.

If you want to use muscle memory to improve consistency in shooting, you decrease the amount of steps. Unfortunately, in Giannis' case, you see a whole routine of 10 seconds for each FT which I assume (I am speculating of course) is there because of the numerous feedback he has gotten from different people in his career. You take one step in the routine that you feel is effective and makes you comfortable from 2 years ago, one step from another time period/another mentor, and slowly the result becomes an overcomplicated mosaic of moves that allow doubt more than enough time to creep in to thought.

Get the ball, maybe bounce it once against the floor and shoot. That's all there should be to it.

[Bucknado]

When I was a bartender on Water st. I used to throw quarters into a pint glass from around 20ft away at a decent clip when I was bored. I’m guessing Giannis’ issue is all in form and muscle memory.

[bucksfansince88]

Giannis' FT routine is a problem. There are too many disjoint parts.

If you want to use muscle memory to improve consistency in shooting, you decrease the amount of steps. Unfortunately, in Giannis' case, you see a whole routine of 10 seconds for each FT which I assume (I am speculating of course) is there because of the numerous feedback he has gotten from different people in his career. You take one step in the routine that you feel is effective and makes you comfortable from 2 years ago, one step from another time period/another mentor, and slowly the result becomes an overcomplicated mosaic of moves that allow doubt more than enough time to creep in to thought.

Get the ball, maybe bounce it once against the floor and shoot. That's all there should be to it.

he doesnt have a routine, sometimes its 5 dribbles, sometimes 6, sometimes 7 ive counted 9 once before also.

[AussieBuck]

Got to be hard rebuilding your shot twice. Red headed **** might have Ian Baker-Finch'd Giannis.

[TD75]

Giannis' FT routine is a problem. There are too many disjoint parts.

If you want to use muscle memory to improve consistency in shooting, you decrease the amount of steps. Unfortunately, in Giannis' case, you see a whole routine of 10 seconds for each FT which I assume (I am speculating of course) is there because of the numerous feedback he has gotten from different people in his career. You take one step in the routine that you feel is effective and makes you comfortable from 2 years ago, one step from another time period/another mentor, and slowly the result becomes an overcomplicated mosaic of moves that allow doubt more than enough time to creep in to thought.

Get the ball, maybe bounce it once against the floor and shoot. That's all there should be to it.

he doesnt have a routine, sometimes its 5 dribbles, sometimes 6, sometimes 7 ive counted 9 once before also.

He has a routine, he just changes aspects of it way too often, which is covered by my post. For example he always dribbles quite a few times once he gets the ball, it does not matter if it is 5,6,or 7.

For example, the problem is not whether he dribbles 5, 6 or 7 times. It is not as if if he decides to consistently dribble 6 times he will suddenly become a better FT shooter. In all cases, it is too much.

[Pachinko_]

Apparently Rick Pitino just offered to coach the Greek NT if they make it to the Olympics next summer, and didn't even want to discuss his pay. The things people do to coach Giannis

[Ron Swanson]

Think at this point we have to stop the narrative that anyone "ruined" Giannis' shot. He's in Year 7 of his career and it's impossible to ruin something that was never really there. Don't @ me with the microscopic rookie season sample size.

[emunney]

I think part of the problem with Gainnis' shooting is that his hands are too dang big.

Probably not an apples to apples comparison, but when I shoot with a mini basketball, I shoot significantly worse than with a regular ball. There is less room for my hands to get a feel for the ball.

I don't think this is a great comparison since you've probably played almost exclusively with a normal ball your whole life. Like have you ever tried shooting with a giant ball, and if so, were you way better at it? I don't think hand-to-ball ratio is the determining factor here.

I don't think it's the only factor, but I think there is something to it.

Same with Shaq back in the day, I too think it was part of the problem. In his FTs he basically just had his finger tips on the ball since his while hands would engulf the ball.

Is that a big hands problem though or is it a technique problem? Here's my hypothesis -- huge hands correlate with non-shooting traits that make it easier to get into the NBA (height, limb length, catching, rebounding, ball-handling, passing). Guys without huge hands and/or those correlating factors basically can't stick if they can't shoot. This is oversimplifying but if you think of it as a process where you can get selected for the league due to your huge hands, and you can get selected for the league for shooting, and you don't necessarily need both, it makes sense.

I can't believe hand size is a limiting factor, or else guys with huge hands simply would not be able to be elite shooters.

[Commenter]

kawhi has huge hands and he's pretty good

[WimpyDeer]

Think at this point we have to stop the narrative that anyone "ruined" Giannis' shot. He's in Year 7 of his career and it's impossible to ruin something that was never really there. Don't @ me with the microscopic rookie season sample size.

His form was significantly better his rookie year and has never looked as good, but ok.

[emunney]

Giannis is shooting 71.4% from 2 this year and his proportion of shots at the rim has dropped from 57.3% to 49.6%. And the % of shots assisted are at a career low 40%. Biggest early story of the year, even bigger than Donte being good. Giannis is scoring with substantially more variety.

[Ruben Quevedo]

Giannis' FT routine is a problem. There are too many disjoint parts.

If you want to use muscle memory to improve consistency in shooting, you decrease the amount of steps. Unfortunately, in Giannis' case, you see a whole routine of 10 seconds for each FT which I assume (I am speculating of course) is there because of the numerous feedback he has gotten from different people in his career. You take one step in the routine that you feel is effective and makes you comfortable from 2 years ago, one step from another time period/another mentor, and slowly the result becomes an overcomplicated mosaic of moves that allow doubt more than enough time to creep in to thought.

Get the ball, maybe bounce it once against the floor and shoot. That's all there should be to it.

Yep. That would be my first piece of advice. Get the ball, one or two dribbles and shoot.

The less time he has to think about it the better. It would also allow him to get way more reps done in practice.

[crkone]

https://theathletic.com/1349430/2019/11/05/bucks-star-giannis-antetokounmpo-on-his-struggles-from-the-line-i-just-gotta-keep-shooting/

“At the beginning of the year, I shot it short, but now I’ve tried to shoot it with more arc,” Antetokounmpo said following the Bucks’ 115-105 Saturday win over the Raptors. “The most important thing was that I didn’t miss short. I’m trying to shoot with more arc.”

While Antetokounmpo has focused more on the trajectory of his free-throw shots after struggling in the first four games, his routine remains unchanged.

Many players have a specific routine — take the same number of dribbles, spin the ball a certain way, breathing patterns — at the free-throw line, but not Antetokounmpo.

“For me, I just want to catch my breath,” Antetokounmpo said. “Sometimes, I dribble five or six times. I dribble, feel comfortable, feel comfortable in my wrist and then I shoot it.”

Against the Raptors, he dribbled anywhere between eight and 11 times before catching his breath and settling into his motion. The same routine occurred in his 11 attempts against the Timberwolves.

Antetokounmpo spends 10 or more seconds at the free-throw line. It’s a habit that goes back to the 2015-16 season, when the league issued a warning for him to speed up his routine or expect a violation.
Since then, the league has noted that Antetokounmpo should’ve been whistled for numerous violations, and coaches have complained that he takes too long.

Antetokounmpo still takes his time, but the number of dribbles and his breathing changes.

“It’s not the same,” Antetokounmpo said. “I always try to get my breath. I feel it’s more important for me to get my breath. You can see a lot of people, like if you see James Harden when he shoots free throws, sometimes he goes 1, 2, spin, then he shoots. Sometimes, he just holds the ball, catches his breath and shoots.”

[greekbuck34]

So Giannis can't improve shooting and FTs because he can't emulate being so exhausted and pumped up in practice as he is in normal game conditions. Some of his worst misses come after a hard drive and foul or a shot right before he sits on the bench to take a breather.

[Chad34]

So Giannis can't improve shooting and FTs because he can't emulate being so exhausted and pumped up in practice as he is in normal game conditions. Some of his worst misses come after a hard drive and foul or a shot right before he sits on the bench to take a breather.

i've always thought the amount of energy he uses effects not only his fts, but other shots too. people who act like they would shoot better than giannis are nuts. giannis shoots a pretty high percentage in practice, but there isn't anyone who gives more effort than giannis and that surely has an effect on his in game shooting

[WimpyDeer]

https://youtu.be/eZk6MQE5t5w?t=138

This is the best his jumper has ever looked.

[Ruben Quevedo]

https://youtu.be/eZk6MQE5t5w?t=138

This is the best his jumper has ever looked.

Seriously who the $%#* made him scrap that form?