Miami Heat Regular Season Thread - Part 1 - Can You Feel It?

[Kobewade11]

No offense but im done with the back and forth with posters who only show up to talk about Winslow for whatever reason, so dont expect any more replies from me on that.

[Kobewade11]

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[twix2500]

How to help opposing defenders contain Butler and Nunn? Surround them with two players that can't shoot or create their own offense in the starting lineup. As long as Winslow starts, defenders will have an easier time preparing to make life harder for those 2 guys.

You can just as easily sub Dragic for Nunn and problem is solved.

You sub one of the shooters for a different shooter? The point was to change the lineup from 2 non shooters to only 1 (unless Winslow is going to play more off ball/not PG). With the current roster, why not bring Winslow off the bench for Butler and let the 2 of them basically alternate running the offense and when you want or need more defense (when the offense is flowing well or need a defensive stop) you play them both. Just try to keep as many shooters on the court to allow the playmakers to have more space to work with and have more options to utilize.

Let's talk last year's 3pt shooting from Winslow and this thought as a PG he'll be a good 3pt shooter. Last year Winslow shot 38% from 3pt range nice... but why? Last year in catch and shoot 3s Winslow shot 41.2%, Pullups(like a playmaker will need to do) he shot 16% from 3pt range. Basically the same stats, 0 dribbles and shoot a 3, 40.6% 3pt%, 1 dribble 28.6%, 2 dribbles 0%, 3-6 dribbles 12.5%. It shows us what everyone should expect, he can hit 3s when he's play off ball and utilized as a catch and shoot spot up shooter, not so much a threat as a playmaker with the ball at the 3pt line.

https://stats.nba.com/player/1626159/shots-dash/?Season=2018-19&SeasonType=Regular%20Season

As of right now that is moot. He is hitting the top of the back board when he catch and shooting right now. He doesn't have to great just respetable.

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[AirP.]

No offense but im done with the back and forth with posters who only show up to talk about Winslow for whatever reason, so dont expect any more replies from me on that.

I think Winslow is a good to great 3&D wing(keep working on the 3pt shot to make them more with players near him), I don't like the idea of him at PG or initiating a lot of the offense since he can't shoot off the dribble, score consistently at the rim, and if teams foul him, doesn't shoot FTs all that well.

I just see a way better use for him, but him saying he wants to play PG (while Dragic was on the roster) makes me think he'll fight being a 3&D wing. Winslow and Butler could be an incredible wing duo, I just don't think Winslow is all that interested in limiting his game at this point in his career.

[AirP.]

As of right now that is moot. He is hitting the top of the back board when he catch and shooting right now. He doesn't have to great just respetable.

Last year's stats show that only when Winslow was wide open did he hit 3s (and over a 40% clip), the shot you're talking about he wasn't wide open and when he's not, he's not a good 3pt shooter but that threat off the ball does help space the floor which is what is needed from a wing in this current NBA era.

[twix2500]

As of right now that is moot. He is hitting the top of the back board when he catch and shooting right now. He doesn't have to great just respetable.

Last year's stats show that only when Winslow was wide open did he hit 3s (and over a 40% clip), the shot you're talking about he wasn't wide open and when he's not, he's not a good 3pt shooter but that threat off the ball does help space the floor which is what is needed from a wing in this current NBA era.

You think teams are respecting his off the ball 3 point shot?

[AirP.]

As of right now that is moot. He is hitting the top of the back board when he catch and shooting right now. He doesn't have to great just respetable.

Last year's stats show that only when Winslow was wide open did he hit 3s (and over a 40% clip), the shot you're talking about he wasn't wide open and when he's not, he's not a good 3pt shooter but that threat off the ball does help space the floor which is what is needed from a wing in this current NBA era.

You think teams are respecting his off the ball 3 point shot?

Don't know(they did try to close out on him in the corner last night in Denver which seemed to work), but based off his stats last year if his teammates found him open last year, he hit those open catch and shoot 3s at over a 40% clip. That's 120 points per 100 possessions. It would be in the Heat's best interest to have someone else playmaking and having Justise spot up away from the action, it's not glamorous but it can be quite helpful, especially when he's as good as he is on defense.

Ah, you added pictures, with those I'd say either Spo's gameplan or Winslow's teammates failed to deliver a good opportunity(based on last year's production).

[twix2500]

Last year's stats show that only when Winslow was wide open did he hit 3s (and over a 40% clip), the shot you're talking about he wasn't wide open and when he's not, he's not a good 3pt shooter but that threat off the ball does help space the floor which is what is needed from a wing in this current NBA era.

You think teams are respecting his off the ball 3 point shot?

Don't know(they did try to close out on him in the corner last night in Denver which seemed to work), but based off his stats last year if his teammates found him open last year, he hit those open catch and shoot 3s at over a 40% clip. That's 120 points per 100 possessions. It would be in the Heat's best interest to have someone else playmaking and having Justise spot up away from the action, it's not glamorous but it can be quite helpful, especially when he's as good as he is on defense.

Ah, you added pictures, with those I'd say either Spo's gameplan or Winslow's teammates failed to deliver a good opportunity(based on last year's production).

At the end of the day, teams do not respect him out there. He hasnt changed his reputation. Teams are still collapsing, cheating or helping off of him. And it is another thing if his teammates are not confident in him as well (usually evidence of what is going on in practice). He has to prove himself, that last year was not a fluke. Hitting the top of the backboard and airballing is not helping when he had the chance.

[AirP.]

Ugh, I went back and looked at Winslow's 3s last night to see the close outs and instead found that Denver did not respect Winslow at all. I'm going to have to review the game again to watch the spacing, did they pack in the lane all that much most of the game?

Here's how Winslow got his 2 3pt shots... wow. That's is going all in that he won't hurt you from the outside.

[MadD23]

As of right now that is moot. He is hitting the top of the back board when he catch and shooting right now. He doesn't have to great just respetable.

Last year's stats show that only when Winslow was wide open did he hit 3s (and over a 40% clip), the shot you're talking about he wasn't wide open and when he's not, he's not a good 3pt shooter but that threat off the ball does help space the floor which is what is needed from a wing in this current NBA era.

You think teams are respecting his off the ball 3 point shot?

And this right here is the main problem. If the strategy from our opponents is to leave Winslow and Bam wide open to guard the Dogs that can actually score, then how can we expect to have a successful sustainable offense that translate to playoffs success? If Winslow cant make defenders pay, we have a problem. Especially if he is our starting PG.

We know removing Bam from the starting lineup is not an option, then who do we send to the bench and replace him with a player that can make our offense fluid and provide much needed spacing?

Easy answer if you ask me: Winslow out. In: Duncan, Herro or Waiters.

[MadD23]

Ugh, I went back and looked at Winslow's 3s last night to see the close outs and instead found that Denver did not respect Winslow at all. I'm going to have to review the game again to watch the spacing, did they pack in the lane all that much most of the game?

Here's how Winslow got his 2 3pt shots... wow. That's is going all in that he won't hurt you from the outside.

Of course they packed the lane. That's why our spacing sucked. If Duncan started at the 3, it would have been a different story. Nunn, Butler and even Bam would benefit from the spacing a good shooter provides.

[twix2500]

I am willing to give him some more time, but that is how teams are playing him. He has to make them pay. We need need to stop labeling him a 3D guy. He is a point forward. He doesnt need to be a 3D specialist and that is not his strength. But he does have to be respectable enough for him to knock down wide open shots.

[Bishop45]

Post the context of the play instead of those disingenuous screenshots

Examples of our great spacing with Winslow off the floor too

[AirP.]

I am willing to give him some more time, but that is how teams are playing him. He has to make them pay. We need need to stop labeling him a 3D guy. He is a point forward. He doesnt need to be a 3D specialist and that is not his strength. But he does have to be respectable enough for him to knock down wide open shots.

He did shoot 40% last year when open, lots of players have learned to hit open 3s, it's quite doable for someone with skills which Justise has. I do wonder if he worked less on his 3pt shooting this offseason and utilized more training towards being a PG. I get it before Butler was traded for, Miami needed to develop some playmakers with Dragic getting older, but adding Butler for 4 years does should have changed a lot of those plans.

It'll be interesting once they get into 20-30 games in and we can start getting a more clear picture of what each lineup is doing.

[MadD23]

I am willing to give him some more time, but that is how teams are playing him. He has to make them pay. We need need to stop labeling him a 3D guy. He is a point forward. He doesnt need to be a 3D specialist and that is not his strength. But he does have to be respectable enough for him to knock down wide open shots.

Like AirP mentioned, I honestly believe he has a much better chance developing into a solid 3 and D guy than a successful PG. If Ben Simmons who's a way better PG and is one of the best finishers at the rim hurts his team because he can't hit from behind the arch, then what can we expect from this Winslow PG experiment?

[AirP.]

Post the context of the play instead of those disingenuous screenshots

Examples of our great spacing with Winslow off the floor too

Disingenuous screenshots, good lord if I wanted to do that I would have posted a second before that pass from DJJ where Winslow was waving his hands high in the air. I was actually looking to see how close the defenders were when he was shooting and was caught way off guard by the disrespect. Denver did not leave Winslow wide open all game, I have found at least some plays they're respecting him as a 3pt shooter.

The stretch bigs were getting open looks when doing pick and pops.



Here's the first 2 plays I pulled up from Butler missing shots(in hopes to find spacing issues, nope, I'll keep looking).



This one is where everyone could see Butler was going down low to get a pass and try to score and they didn't leave the shooters without a defender(to help with Butler under the basket).

[Bishop45]

Dis-in-gen-uous

You're stripping all context away from a motion game. There's no team giving Justise that much space on the regular, and I could make that type of screenshot for any player in any game. This is pathetic wodie, even worse than the net ratings pearl clutching of yesteryear. And this doesn't deserve attention, joining KobeWade on the saner side of things

[Kobewade11]

This is the oddest thing to me ever. No matter the day, no matter the game, you come in this thread and the topic is always one player I just dont get it, and its always the same people.

[MadD23]

This is the oddest thing to me ever. No matter the day, no matter the game, you come in this thread and the topic is always one player I just dont get it, and its always the same people.

I am new here, but maybe, just maybe the same people would not be talking about that same player if he starts at least improving on the offensive side of his game. Air balling jumpers and throwing bricks to the backboard when driving to the hoop keeps the fire going strong.

And if you want to ad me to your list of no replies, go for it, I give 3 fxcks abut some guy at a message board thinking he is something special. I'll say what's on my mind and if you don't like it, cry me a river, to bad!!

[Kobewade11]

Let me get this thread back to the team.

Why Warriors didn’t keep Kendrick Nunn, who’s now starring for Heat

Nunn averaged 19 points per game for Santa Cruz and his agent tried to get him a temporary spot with the Warriors.

"I pushed pretty strongly for a 10-day (NBA contract)," Nunn's agent, Adam Pensack, told The Athletic's David Aldridge.

But, with the Warriors facing luxury tax issues due to their superteam and lack of roster flexibility, Golden State was unable to bring Nunn aboard.

Via Aldridge:

Nunn would actually cost Golden State a couple hundred thousand dollars more in tax payments. Nor was there a roster spot available at the time.

The sharpshooting guard then went searching for an NBA deal after the G League playoffs ended, one he found with the Heat

https://www.google.com/amp/s/sports.yahoo.com/amphtml/why-warriors-didn-t-keep-171053273.html