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Re: OT Bears 2019/20 season and beyond 

Post#261 » by Jeffster81 » Thu Nov 7, 2019 1:16 am

dougthonus wrote:
Jeffster81 wrote:Not even remotely close to want the Bears to rebuild. Believe it or not, the Bears not that far from contending, they just need to fixed the dang gum QB. Get a competent QB (not even a great QB, just one that knows what they are doing) and the Bears can go far.

Trubisky needs to be as far away from Chicago in 2020 as possible.


Doubt the Bears are a "competent QB" away from winning anything meaningful. If they had the 16th best QB in the league, say prime Jay Cutler, the Bears aren't winning a superbowl.


A competent QB would give the Bears time to find the right guy. Rebuilding is not an option the moment they traded for Mack.
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Re: OT Bears 2019/20 season and beyond 

Post#262 » by ATRAIN53 » Thu Nov 7, 2019 4:19 pm

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I think you send Virginia to Riveras house and she BEGS him.
Ron I don't have too many years left. We need to capatialize on that Mack trade.

I'm cool with Philip Rivers too.
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Re: OT Bears 2019/20 season and beyond 

Post#263 » by johnnyvann840 » Thu Nov 7, 2019 4:34 pm

So, Mitch wants all the TV's turned off at Halas Hall to shield the team from the criticism.
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Re: OT Bears 2019/20 season and beyond 

Post#264 » by JohnnyTapwater » Thu Nov 7, 2019 4:40 pm

dougthonus wrote:
Jeffster81 wrote:Not even remotely close to want the Bears to rebuild. Believe it or not, the Bears not that far from contending, they just need to fixed the dang gum QB. Get a competent QB (not even a great QB, just one that knows what they are doing) and the Bears can go far.

Trubisky needs to be as far away from Chicago in 2020 as possible.


Doubt the Bears are a "competent QB" away from winning anything meaningful. If they had the 16th best QB in the league, say prime Jay Cutler, the Bears aren't winning a superbowl.



How do you say this so confidently?

I've watched every game and a competent QB changes this season completely. Less 3 and outs, more rest for the defense, more ball control, less opportunity for the opponents D to T off.. Not to mention the confidence this would infuse into this team...

We'd be right there
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Re: OT Bears 2019/20 season and beyond 

Post#265 » by dougthonus » Thu Nov 7, 2019 5:57 pm

JohnnyTapwater wrote:How do you say this so confidently?

I've watched every game and a competent QB changes this season completely. Less 3 and outs, more rest for the defense, more ball control, less opportunity for the opponents D to T off.. Not to mention the confidence this would infuse into this team...

We'd be right there


We'd certainly be much better, but I think it's more than competent, I think we'd need above average. Of course, I could be wrong.
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Re: OT Bears 2019/20 season and beyond 

Post#266 » by dice » Thu Nov 7, 2019 6:34 pm

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JohnnyTapwater wrote:How do you say this so confidently?

I've watched every game and a competent QB changes this season completely. Less 3 and outs, more rest for the defense, more ball control, less opportunity for the opponents D to T off.. Not to mention the confidence this would infuse into this team...

We'd be right there


We'd certainly be much better, but I think it's more than competent, I think we'd need above average. Of course, I could be wrong.

trubisky was a PRO-BOWLER last year. the defense was dominant. the running game was decent. none of these things have been the case this season. additionally, we are short draft picks in the coming offseason and will have little cap space relative to most teams
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Re: OT Bears 2019/20 season and beyond 

Post#267 » by RedBulls23 » Fri Nov 8, 2019 1:32 am

Mitch was a pro-bowl alternate. Who knows how many QBs turned down the NFL before they got to him.
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Re: OT Bears 2019/20 season and beyond 

Post#268 » by Bandit King » Fri Nov 8, 2019 1:50 am

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dougthonus wrote:
JohnnyTapwater wrote:How do you say this so confidently?

I've watched every game and a competent QB changes this season completely. Less 3 and outs, more rest for the defense, more ball control, less opportunity for the opponents D to T off.. Not to mention the confidence this would infuse into this team...

We'd be right there


We'd certainly be much better, but I think it's more than competent, I think we'd need above average. Of course, I could be wrong.

trubisky was a PRO-BOWLER last year. the defense was dominant. the running game was decent. none of these things have been the case this season. additionally, we are short draft picks in the coming offseason and will have little cap space relative to most teams


Pro bowler :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: as an alternative because no one wanted to play the pro bowl.
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Re: OT Bears 2019/20 season and beyond 

Post#269 » by Bandit King » Fri Nov 8, 2019 1:52 am

Maraiota is barley better then trubsucky
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Re: OT Bears 2019/20 season and beyond 

Post#270 » by Jcool0 » Fri Nov 8, 2019 2:48 am

Worst part is this was probably the Bears last chance with this team to try and win a Superbowl. Khalil Mack's cap hit more then doubles from 11.9 million this season to 26.6 million next year. Leonard Floyd cost 5 million this year and 13.2 million next. Eddie Goldman goes from 5.3 million to 10.8 million. Kyle Fuller from 13.5 million to 17.5 million. Bobby Massie, 3.8 million to 8.3 million. They will be close to 25 million over the 2020 cap. Replacing anyone will be difficult since over the past 3 drafts they have selected the fewest players in the league. And drafted a league low six players in the first 3 rounds. Bears are also just one of five teams to not earn a single compensatory pick in the last 5 drafts (Kansas City has earned 12, New England have earned 10 & NFC title contenders GB & Seattle have earned 9).
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Re: OT Bears 2019/20 season and beyond 

Post#271 » by dice » Fri Nov 8, 2019 5:09 am

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dougthonus wrote:
We'd certainly be much better, but I think it's more than competent, I think we'd need above average. Of course, I could be wrong.

trubisky was a PRO-BOWLER last year. the defense was dominant. the running game was decent. none of these things have been the case this season. additionally, we are short draft picks in the coming offseason and will have little cap space relative to most teams


Pro bowler :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: as an alternative because no one wanted to play the pro bowl.

he was the third most effective QB in the entire league (10th in passing, 2nd in rushing). significantly more effective than either goff or rodgers, both of whom were voted in ahead of him as reserves. and certainly way better than the "competent" or even "above average" QB that some are saying is all we need to return to contention. we need WAY more than that
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Re: OT Bears 2019/20 season and beyond 

Post#272 » by dice » Fri Nov 8, 2019 5:12 am

RedBulls23 wrote:Mitch was a pro-bowl alternate. Who knows how many QBs turned down the NFL before they got to him.

nobody turns down being a pro bowler. they accept the honor and claim injury
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Re: OT Bears 2019/20 season and beyond 

Post#273 » by bullsnewdynasty » Fri Nov 8, 2019 6:30 am

Trubisky was a pro bowler just like Deng was an all-star on 14 PER 50% TS when the Bulls were 1st in the East. And last year is really irrelevant anyway, another year in the league should have Mitch improving but instead he has regressed as teams have film on him and Nagy's offense. Mistakes that were chalked up to youth and inexperience have turned out to be Mitch simply not being very good.
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Re: OT Bears 2019/20 season and beyond 

Post#274 » by JohnnyTapwater » Fri Nov 8, 2019 1:03 pm

Confidence is so important in sports... I can see Miss Trubisky's power meter dwindle with every missed target...

...I keep reminding myself Pace saw Bree's in Trubisky... maybe that was just the wind. *drum roll*
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Re: OT Bears 2019/20 season and beyond 

Post#275 » by dougthonus » Fri Nov 8, 2019 1:53 pm

dice wrote:he was the third most effective QB in the entire league (10th in passing, 2nd in rushing). significantly more effective than either goff or rodgers, both of whom were voted in ahead of him as reserves. and certainly way better than the "competent" or even "above average" QB that some are saying is all we need to return to contention. we need WAY more than that


Yeah, I don't think anyone really believes that is an accurate measure of his true effectiveness though. His numbers were skewed up quite a bit due to the one 6 TD game against TB and other games against very weak defenses. He was 16th in passer rating and his QBR was buffed largely by running stats that didn't feel sustainable once teams schemed against them.

That has been born out in the playoffs where he was completely ineffective as a runner and could not lead the offense to scoring drives against the Eagles. If he were to maintain that ability to be a threat against good defenses in high leverage situations then maybe it would have been enough.
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Re: OT Bears 2019/20 season and beyond 

Post#276 » by RedBulls23 » Fri Nov 8, 2019 2:09 pm

dice wrote:
RedBulls23 wrote:Mitch was a pro-bowl alternate. Who knows how many QBs turned down the NFL before they got to him.

nobody turns down being a pro bowler. they accept the honor and claim injury

That doesnt change my arguement, and I didn't say they said no to being a pro bowler, that they turned down playing in the game. My point is that he was an alternate because other QBs didn't want to play. By vast majority of stats he was a middle of the pack QB last season. Only stat he excelled in was QBR, but that stat is flawed. It takes his running game into account too.
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Re: OT Bears 2019/20 season and beyond 

Post#277 » by TheStig » Fri Nov 8, 2019 3:27 pm

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I think you send Virginia to Riveras house and she BEGS him.
Ron I don't have too many years left. We need to capatialize on that Mack trade.

I'm cool with Philip Rivers too.

Kinda strikes me as the next Jay Cutler if we do that.
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Re: OT Bears 2019/20 season and beyond 

Post#278 » by ATRAIN53 » Fri Nov 8, 2019 3:44 pm

Lets revisit Trubiskys Pro Bowl performance....

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Trubisky ended the Pro Bowl 5-of-9 for 34 yards and the interception.

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Re: OT Bears 2019/20 season and beyond 

Post#279 » by Jcool0 » Fri Nov 8, 2019 3:52 pm

A 38 year old Philip Rivers or 31 year old Cam Newton with injury issues (+ Cam will want to much $$$). Neither fix the QB issues for the Bears. They also cant afford Teddy Bridgewater or Jameis Winston. Maybe Eli Manning will sign for a shot at the playoffs? But again what does that do for you? They could probably get a pretty incentive laden contract out of Marcus Mariota to push Mitch in training camp.
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Re: OT Bears 2019/20 season and beyond 

Post#280 » by MeloRoseNoah » Fri Nov 8, 2019 4:22 pm

I see a possible Bree out of Mariota by that guy is actually intelligent and reads defense. His only problem is his inaccuracies but he’s very accurate once he has protection and sets his feet.

As for Trubusty, he is just a dimwit. I hope that I am wrong and that Trubisky will go gangbuster from here. But all I’m seeing is a choker who will get worse the longer he’s starting for the Bears.

Right now, we just waiting for the ok from Pace to admit that his picked QB is a bust before he goes to the bench permanently.

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