Frank Ntilikina has arrived

[SeattleJazzFan]

That’s his ceiling?
Arrived? To the airport, to fly back to France?

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He does things like this that doesnt show up in stat sheet

Okay. He plays hard, hustles and is good/great on defense.

A great role player, bench depth to have. Every teams should have a player like that.

But come on, arrived?

yeah, the problem is that the OP said he's arrived. if he wants to argue FN is good, that's one thing, but "arrived"? he's the same player he's always been - a guy who plays hard, who plays really good defense and who sucks ass on offense.

[LakersSoul]

The French guy played great. Feel bad for my man 3toheadmelo. DSJ has lost the battle.

He'll be fine if Frank plays like a legit PG and the Knicks are humming.



In the 2017 draft I referred to him as the YOLO pick (and wanted to take him). He was a guy who if he didn't develop and change his mindset would be virtually unplayable but if he reaches his ceiling is the exact kind of guy you need on championship squads. He's got the length and defensive instincts to disrupt the best of the best lead guards and knows how to defer his stats to the offense. Just needs that shot to go in and consistently feel when he needs to take it himself. Be a passable threat on that end to shoot or drive.

Great role player to have on a ring team. A perfect 3&D player if he could shoot.

[scrabbarista]

My Derek Harper comp may check out!!!!!

Harper was 22 as a rookie and Frank is 21 this season.

THERE'S STILL TIME!!!!!

[LightTheBeam]

Why is Dejounte murray extra hyped, but Frank isnt? Asking for a friend..

[dakomish23]

PER of 9.9 and TS% of 46%. that's not just bad, it's off the charts bad.

He started off poorly.

The last 4 games he’s started he’s shooting 48% FG and 58% from 3PT

[scrabbarista]

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He does things like this that doesnt show up in stat sheet.

Zach Lowe, eat your heart out.

[Capn'O]

The French guy played great. Feel bad for my man 3toheadmelo. DSJ has lost the battle.

He'll be fine if Frank plays like a legit PG and the Knicks are humming.



In the 2017 draft I referred to him as the YOLO pick (and wanted to take him). He was a guy who if he didn't develop and change his mindset would be virtually unplayable but if he reaches his ceiling is the exact kind of guy you need on championship squads. He's got the length and defensive instincts to disrupt the best of the best lead guards and knows how to defer his stats to the offense. Just needs that shot to go in and consistently feel when he needs to take it himself. Be a passable threat on that end to shoot or drive.

Great role player to have on a ring team. A perfect 3&D player if he could shoot.

He can shoot. You'd have to have watched him for three years to really see it but he's got one of the strangest complexes about shooting I've ever seen. Lovely form and the ability to use guile to get to the rack... but he is just too unselfish and I do not mean that in a good way. It's a mindset he needs to break permanently to stick in the league. Recent results are encouraging but habits are tough...

[SeattleJazzFan]

PER of 9.9 and TS% of 46%. that's not just bad, it's off the charts bad.

He started off poorly.

The last 4 games he’s started he’s shooting 48% FG and 58% from 3PT

sample size. dante exum has had stretches like that too. and eventually he returns to who he is - which basically frank ntilikina.

[Johnny Firpo]

Man, I hope so. Huge fan of Frank, he just has to find his inner monster and let it free. He has great, great potential, if only he starts to believe.

[dakomish23]

PER of 9.9 and TS% of 46%. that's not just bad, it's off the charts bad.

He started off poorly.

The last 4 games he’s started he’s shooting 48% FG and 58% from 3PT

sample size. dante exum has had stretches like that too. and eventually he returns to who he is - which basically frank ntilikina.

You first used his PER & TS for a small sample size. But you dismiss the more relevant sample size that reflects his bigger role as a starter.

[Johnny Firpo]

Why is Dejounte murray extra hyped, but Frank isnt? Asking for a friend..

Because Murray has been playing much better and he is more consistent. I think Frank's ceiling is higher, but Murray is more of a sure thing.

[The-Power]

I wanted to write this in the other thread that made fun of Ntilikina in the context of the fans demanding him instead of Smith. What these people don't understand is that it was never about Frank being great, or even good. It was about the fact that he just plays the right way. Always plays tough defense, never makes demands, never plays selfish, never yells at his teammates. He is just out there trying his best. That might not be very good on a given night, but fans appreciate such players; much more than players who suck because they force it, play lazy or disengage.

So I'm rooting for Frank. He's a great kid. He competes but is just incredibly likable and humble. He has the tools to be a solid NBA player, and he shows it often enough to not give up on him. Hope he can find his niche offensively; I'd love to have him on my team and that's more than I can say about a lot of players with more production than him.

[Dirk]

Okay. He plays hard, hustles and is good/great on defense.

A great role player, bench depth to have. Every teams should have a player like that.

But come on, arrived? He hasn’t even fully won his own coach over.

Pattern is
Someone opens a topic
Then others will hope the player fails
If he does, then attack, mock Knicks fans for "hyping him up"
When it may have been just a random user who opened a topic

Rational approach: take the topic title as tong in cheek and move on.

[LightTheBeam]

Why is Dejounte murray extra hyped, but Frank isnt? Asking for a friend..

Because Murray has been playing much better and he is more consistent. I think Frank's ceiling is higher, but Murray is more of a sure thing.

Can you elaborate on what Murray does much better thank Frank?

I have a feeling if we switched them teams, we would switch our opinions of them.

[SeattleJazzFan]

He started off poorly.

The last 4 games he’s started he’s shooting 48% FG and 58% from 3PT

sample size. dante exum has had stretches like that too. and eventually he returns to who he is - which basically frank ntilikina.

You first used his PER & TS for a small sample size. But you dismiss the more relevant sample size that reflects his bigger role as a starter.

i think you missed my point. his PER and TS% on the season reflect who he has always been. you mentioned the last 4 games - everybody has 4 game stretches where they look like a different player - hence the sample size comment. but again, if you want to argue he's a good player because he defends, plays hard, plays smart, etc - that's fine. but after 4 good shooting games, let's not pretend he's somehow different than he's always been.

if he can keep it up over the course of a couple months, let's talk.

[Johnny Firpo]

Why is Dejounte murray extra hyped, but Frank isnt? Asking for a friend..

Because Murray has been playing much better and he is more consistent. I think Frank's ceiling is higher, but Murray is more of a sure thing.

Can you elaborate on what Murray does much better thank Frank?

I have a feeling if we switched them teams, we would switch our opinions of them.

I mean, Murray's 2017/2018 campaign is better than anything Frank has ever done on a consistent basis. I don't think we need to go further into this, and well, he has been better this year. Again, huge fan of Frank, and his ceiling is much higher due to his size and potentially better three point shot, but he has some work to do. If we go by skills, I guess I agree, theoretically Frank could do most if not all things better, but he just hasn't done it yet. I totally agree that he is more talented.

[HoopsterJones]

Let’s see if he can sustain this production for 20 games or so. He’s had a nice stretch over the past few games.

who cares about his offense.

what he does on the defense is sustainable and is his calling card. he’s a pest defensively.

he just never got a legit chance by this current regime.

A guard who has a career FG of 35.6 % and TS of 43.2% is beyond terrible. Good defense or not. A guard has to be able to shoot a respectable percentage.

Even Tony Allen has a career FG of 47.5% and TS 52.9%. So right now, Frank’s a poor mans Tony Allen. Tony Allen is his ceiling which is just a role player.

[dakomish23]

sample size. dante exum has had stretches like that too. and eventually he returns to who he is - which basically frank ntilikina.

You first used his PER & TS for a small sample size. But you dismiss the more relevant sample size that reflects his bigger role as a starter.

i think you missed my point. his PER and TS% on the season reflect who he has always been. you mentioned the last 4 games - everybody has 4 game stretches where they look like a different player - hence the sample size comment. but again, if you want to argue he's a good player because he defends, plays hard, plays smart, etc - that's fine. but after 4 good shooting games, let's not pretend he's somehow different than he's always been.

if he can keep it up over the course of a couple months, let's talk.

It’s comparing apples to oranges due to the context

His whole season is split in half. 4 games where he’s running the show and 4 games where he’s not - 3 of which he played 2:54, 18 seconds and one DNP.

Which games are more relevant to the discussion?

[Fencer reregistered]

That’s his ceiling?
Arrived? To the airport, to fly back to France?

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That's solid defense, but I feel sorry for a fan base who thinks it's something amazingly special.

[JB2]

yah he's finally outplaying KCP