Ruzious wrote:The heights below are without shoes - so add an inch for traditional measurements. And don't ask me how Ilyasova lost 2 inches. If he loses another 2 inches next year, there could be a problem.
Robin Lopez is 7-1 without shoes?
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Ruzious wrote:The heights below are without shoes - so add an inch for traditional measurements. And don't ask me how Ilyasova lost 2 inches. If he loses another 2 inches next year, there could be a problem.
pcbothwel wrote:^^^ Disagree. Being a "Minus" defensively as a PG is all relative. His IQ is tremendous and I think he can very much be a Steph-like defender that wins on Grit and IQ.
Trae and Garland are built like toddlers. Cole is built like Lillard/Kyrie/Bledsoe at About 6'2-6'3, 190 lbs as a 19 y/o. I think he will be a Dame like offensive player, and a slightly better defender.
All-NBA Guard ceiling with VERY high floor due to his shot, build, and IQ.
Shoe wrote:Cole Anthony with another double double 20 points & 10 rebounds. Meanwhile James Wiseman is a physical specimen paint protector - 17/9 with 5 blocks and a ton of altered shots. Would be the perfect front court mate for Rui. If the Wizards could grab one of these two that's a perfect quick tank.
prime1time wrote:For people who like Cole Anthony, what's your reasoning for preferring him over a guy like Edwards? Edwards' height, size and wingspan project as a potential 1-4 switchable defender. In this NBA if you can't guard multiple positions and not be considered a liability, you are a minus defender in my book. And Edwards offensive ability is very high displaying off the dribble 3's, finishing through contact and a consistent ability to get to the rim.
prime1time wrote:Shoe wrote:Cole Anthony with another double double 20 points & 10 rebounds. Meanwhile James Wiseman is a physical specimen paint protector - 17/9 with 5 blocks and a ton of altered shots. Would be the perfect front court mate for Rui. If the Wizards could grab one of these two that's a perfect quick tank.
Not sure how you can mention Cole Anthony's game without talking about the fact that he went 7-24. Also 3 assists for someone who wants to be known as both a playmaker and a scorer is kind of concerning. Especially in light of the fact that he attempted 24 shots. He has a lot more to prove before he convinces me that he's a heir apparent to elite the elite scoring small guards in our game i.e. the Kyrie's and Lillard's.
Shoe wrote:7'1, 7'6 wingspan, 9'3 standing reach. Look at his frame and imagine what he's going to look like when's he's 23 and has 4 years of NBA nutrition and workout regimen under his belt. He actually has a post game and can hit free throws. Wizards are desperate for a franchise 5. I think he'll end up better than Ayton and Zion, and be the best high drafted big since Embiid.
Ruzious wrote:prime1time wrote:For people who like Cole Anthony, what's your reasoning for preferring him over a guy like Edwards? Edwards' height, size and wingspan project as a potential 1-4 switchable defender. In this NBA if you can't guard multiple positions and not be considered a liability, you are a minus defender in my book. And Edwards offensive ability is very high displaying off the dribble 3's, finishing through contact and a consistent ability to get to the rim.
I have Edwards #1. I've noticed an interesting difference of opinions on Cole's athleticism. His biggest supporters insist he's a great athlete. I don't see that. I saw a below the rim finisher who's going to have to rely on floaters in the NBA. His supporters say he can turn on that athleticism when he needs to - ala Damian Lillard. Notice he made his 3's again last night but missed his 2's. What I think he is basically is a physically tougher and more polished version of Garland with even more range on his shot.
pcbothwel wrote:Ruzious wrote:prime1time wrote:For people who like Cole Anthony, what's your reasoning for preferring him over a guy like Edwards? Edwards' height, size and wingspan project as a potential 1-4 switchable defender. In this NBA if you can't guard multiple positions and not be considered a liability, you are a minus defender in my book. And Edwards offensive ability is very high displaying off the dribble 3's, finishing through contact and a consistent ability to get to the rim.
I have Edwards #1. I've noticed an interesting difference of opinions on Cole's athleticism. His biggest supporters insist he's a great athlete. I don't see that. I saw a below the rim finisher who's going to have to rely on floaters in the NBA. His supporters say he can turn on that athleticism when he needs to - ala Damian Lillard. Notice he made his 3's again last night but missed his 2's. What I think he is basically is a physically tougher and more polished version of Garland with even more range on his shot.
I like Edwards, but lets be clear about his athleticism... he's not Wade. He is more Oladipo / Tyreke... I think he'll be a top SG in the league, but not a generational one.
Cole is FAR better an athlete than Garland. He blocks shots and dunks with authority. His gather/transition from ball handling to passing/shooting is extremely efficient. He glides over picks and controls pace, passing with accuracy and velocity with BOTH HANDS.
In the last 3 drafts, he's easily the best prospect at PG:
Cole
Ja
Melo
Garland
Trae
Maxey
SGA
Coby White
But we'll see...plenty of time left
prime1time wrote:Right now I really like Edwards. He just has that "fighting" mentality to him. But looking around the league and at the Wizards deficiencies, I just don't see how we can pass on Wiseman if we get a chance to draft him. Our defense and rebounding is so embarrassingly bad that even if we added a guy like Cole or Edwards we'd still have issues on that side of the ball.
Ruzious wrote:prime1time wrote:Right now I really like Edwards. He just has that "fighting" mentality to him. But looking around the league and at the Wizards deficiencies, I just don't see how we can pass on Wiseman if we get a chance to draft him. Our defense and rebounding is so embarrassingly bad that even if we added a guy like Cole or Edwards we'd still have issues on that side of the ball.
But one Wiseman isn't going to fix our defense and rebounding. We'd need 2 Wisemen and a Wiseguy for that. If you don't have 5 guys playing team defense well, you're probably not going to be a good defensive team.
pcbothwel wrote:Ruzious wrote:prime1time wrote:For people who like Cole Anthony, what's your reasoning for preferring him over a guy like Edwards? Edwards' height, size and wingspan project as a potential 1-4 switchable defender. In this NBA if you can't guard multiple positions and not be considered a liability, you are a minus defender in my book. And Edwards offensive ability is very high displaying off the dribble 3's, finishing through contact and a consistent ability to get to the rim.
I have Edwards #1. I've noticed an interesting difference of opinions on Cole's athleticism. His biggest supporters insist he's a great athlete. I don't see that. I saw a below the rim finisher who's going to have to rely on floaters in the NBA. His supporters say he can turn on that athleticism when he needs to - ala Damian Lillard. Notice he made his 3's again last night but missed his 2's. What I think he is basically is a physically tougher and more polished version of Garland with even more range on his shot.
I like Edwards, but lets be clear about his athleticism... he's not Wade. He is more Oladipo / Tyreke... I think he'll be a top SG in the league, but not a generational one.
Cole is FAR better an athlete than Garland. He blocks shots and dunks with authority. His gather/transition from ball handling to passing/shooting is extremely efficient. He glides over picks and controls pace, passing with accuracy and velocity with BOTH HANDS.
In the last 3 drafts, he's easily the best prospect at PG:
Cole
Ja
Melo
Garland
Trae
Maxey
SGA
Coby White
But we'll see...plenty of time left
Ruzious wrote:Did anyone say Edwards is a generational talent? Unless someone's a Lebron James or Zion Williamson (and nobody in this class is), it's too early in the season to make a conclusion like that.
Ruzious wrote:Really Shoe? That's his first game - maybe he was a nervous 18 year old.