Political Roundtable Part XXVII

[Pointgod]

Yep - very interesting indeed. The state is pissed off that the cities are turning red and they are doing anything in their power to stop it... BTW, what is also interesting is that in Harris County, population ~ 4.5M, we only had 300K turn out to vote. If folks ever come out to vote in the cities - this state turns blue overnight.

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Democrats better pay attention. Republicans know that they’re losing the demographic battle and has more states turn blue expect Republicans to start cheating and destroying democracy. They’re already doing it with gerrymandering and voter suppression. They’ll just become more blatant to maintain power.

[UcanUwill]

Here we go with another -ist, if its not misogynist, its racist. The 2 areas where this occurred are upwards of 95% Democrat, that what it has to do with.

So your logic is, if you live in a blue state, you're automatically a Democrat?

If your goal is to turn people on to the Republican party, you are a TERRIBLE ambassador.

In places like Maryland, California, NJ, NY, pretty much, its almost a guarantee.

Its interesting, every young content creator I have ever followed on the interenet turned out to be left winger, with the exception of youtuber ''stanburdman''. But I never followed people based on location, or their political views initially ( Angry Joe is from Texas and he is huge Trump hater). I usually side with left, and I can only imagine how alienated young right winger must be on the internet. Or did I just got ''lucky'' with the people I ever followed for their non political videos and stuff? To me, young right winger is almost alien.

[dckingsfan]

So your logic is, if you live in a blue state, you're automatically a Democrat?

If your goal is to turn people on to the Republican party, you are a TERRIBLE ambassador.

In places like Maryland, California, NJ, NY, pretty much, its almost a guarantee.

Its interesting, every young content creator I have ever followed on the interenet turned out to be left winger, with the exception of youtuber ''stanburdman''. But I never followed people based on location, or their political views initially ( Angry Joe is from Texas and he is huge Trump hater). I usually side with left, and I can only imagine how alienated young right winger must be on the internet. Or did I just got ''lucky'' with the people I ever followed for their non political videos and stuff? To me, young right winger is almost alien.

Interesting walk today (voter registration) - talked with a bunch of "moderate" young people - many of them can't support the Rs any longer because of the Rs position on climate change (it isn't happening).

[pancakes3]

the republicans have no interest in being beholden to the traditional R values as far as economics go - unchecked spending, fighting trade wars, implementing anti-capitalistic/pro-protectionist trade policies, and a slavish devotion to promoting key industries central to re-election (fossil fuels, farm subsidies, trucking industry, etc.) so the only real campaign platforms that they have to hang their hat on are the social ones: pro-life, pro-gun, anti-"crime", etc. and that stuff is just anathema to most people, not just young people.

more young people are bent to dems because they don't have 30-40 years of artificial fealty baked into their voting records, so they're assessing candidates and issues with less of a bias.

it also helps that current R politicians are just nakedly awful. not just Trump. Mitch is a craven obstructionist, and Graham is an open coward and hypocrite.

if a young person is inclined to be fiscally conservative, it makes more sense for them to identify as a centrist Dem than an open R. of course, if that person is so indoctrinated to believe that abortion is murder, guns preserve liberty, and that poor people are synonymous with crime, then yeah. Young R's do exist but it'll always be a non-zero amount of those people.

[queridiculo]

How about Jim Jordan?

How about Donald Trump?

The village idiots hypocrisy knows no bounds.

[verbal8]

if a young person is inclined to be fiscally conservative, it makes more sense for them to identify as a centrist Dem than an open R. of course, if that person is so indoctrinated to believe that abortion is murder, guns preserve liberty, and that poor people are synonymous with crime, then yeah. Young R's do exist but it'll always be a non-zero amount of those people.

An oversimplification, but traditionally the argument has been between a "Conservative Head" and "Liberal Heart". However most the current "Conservative" positions can not be held if you actually think about them seriously - climate change, education, gun control and even a lot of at least the Trump economic "policies". It has pretty much come down to some self-centered hard core haters trying to recreate some 1950s fantasy world against a coalition of people who want a better country that is prepared for the future.

[pancakes3]

There's something fundamentally rotten with this headline:

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/470009-republicans-unveil-defense-strategy-ahead-of-public-impeachment-hearings

Impeachment is a part of checks/balances. The fact that Republicans are already decided and committed to defend Trump before getting all the facts makes it a partisan act. And sure, Clinton's impeachment had partisan overtones, as did Nixon's but this is beyond the pale. I don't know how these Congressmen can just so boldly and blatantly say - "Here's our plan to defend the president" when their job is "Here's our job to get to the truth." It's not about who is right, but what is right, and it seems like everybody has lost objectivity on that.

[closg00]

There's something fundamentally rotten with this headline:

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/470009-republicans-unveil-defense-strategy-ahead-of-public-impeachment-hearings

Impeachment is a part of checks/balances. The fact that Republicans are already decided and committed to defend Trump before getting all the facts makes it a partisan act. And sure, Clinton's impeachment had partisan overtones, as did Nixon's but this is beyond the pale. I don't know how these Congressmen can just so boldly and blatantly say - "Here's our plan to defend the president" when their job is "Here's our job to get to the truth." It's not about who is right, but what is right, and it seems like everybody has lost objectivity on that.

Republicans have one job to do beginning tomorrow, that is to create and solidify the counter narrative they’re gonna sell to “5th Ave” Republicans, then
Impeachment will die in the Senate.

[pancakes3]

and i don't know if we're keeping track or what - but Trump's latest smear of DACA recipients as being hardened criminals is (1) factually incorrect as immigrants with criminal records are not eligible for DACA, and (2) blatantly racist because, again, it's racist to equate immigrants with criminals.

[Wizardspride]

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[pancakes3]

shocker.

[I_Like_Dirt]

Interesting walk today (voter registration) - talked with a bunch of "moderate" young people - many of them can't support the Rs any longer because of the Rs position on climate change (it isn't happening).

Climate change is the ultimate poison pill for all of these conservative/reactionary movements around the world. They've never relied on young people to really support them but they're actively mobilizing younger people against them. There are still a fair few young white males in particular who still seem to cling to the general principles but the pitch that China should crack down on pollution first, blatantly ignoring that they pollute less per capital and a lot of their pollution goes to manufacture things that Americans use but decided to outsource production of is a really tough message to sell to someone who has a stake in the world not burning to a cinder in the next 100 years. It's pretty fascinating for me to watch, though, as people will recognize the flawed logic as soon as it's obvious they stand to lose because of it but will ignore all the other arguments despite similar flawed logic because they believe they'll somehow gain an advantage from it.

[Ruzious]

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Just add it to the list.

[Wizardspride]

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[closg00]

As more time passes, it appears that Republicans: Mueller, Rosenstein, and Barr, protected Trump from the worst possible outcome with-respect to what they did and did not investigate, and what they kind of left alone.

[closg00]

I predict that Republicans will out the whistle blower during the impeachment hearings, and act of outrage guaranteed to knock anything else off the front pages, they will drop the name when they strategically need to do it.

[pancakes3]

lol, Camp of the Saints. simply amazing. how is this administration anything but racist?

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/11/12/20961458/stephen-miller-white-supremacist-anti-immigrant-emails-breitbart-southern-poverty-law-center

[Wizardspride]

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[JWizmentality]

Happy Impeachment Hearing Eve Everyone!!

[Wizardspride]

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