Regular Season Game 9: Memphis Grizzlies (2-5) at Orlando Magic (2-6)

[magicman112]

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I stand by what I said. I do question if he is 55 million dollars (math error) better then Val in today's NBA (Val signed a 3yr 45 mill contract this offseason while Vuc required the extra year and got paid 4/100). Last year's version of Vuc is, but we haven't gotten that Vuc this season or the previous 7 seasons before last year either. That's not saying that he isn't still the clear better player tho. Hopefully, we get last years version of Vuc going forward.

In the meantime, congrats on Vuc picking it up in the second half and having the opportunity to bump my post.

When he plays like tonight, he is, when he plays like he played vs Raptors he is not.

But that's something that could be said about lot of players. I was reading game threads of Bucks fans and they hate how Middelton makes $30M a year and plays pretty much same, if not worst than Bogdanovic who sigend for $17M a year and worst than Brogdon who they let walk.
Both Conley and Paul are +30 years old and in that +30 M a year boat .

But king of bad contracts are Wizards with Wall and his supermax.

As I've said before. Like or dislike WeHam the one thing they haven't done is commit big long term money to anyone.

[j-ragg]

I stand by what I said. I do question if he is 55 million dollars (math error) better then Val in today's NBA (Val signed a 3yr 45 mill contract this offseason while Vuc required the extra year and got paid 4/100). Last year's version of Vuc is, but we haven't gotten that Vuc this season or the previous 7 seasons before last year either. That's not saying that he isn't still the clear better player tho. Hopefully, we get last years version of Vuc going forward.

In the meantime, congrats on Vuc picking it up in the second half and having the opportunity to bump my post.

When he plays like tonight, he is, when he plays like he played vs Raptors he is not.

But that's something that could be said about lot of players. I was reading game threads of Bucks fans and they hate how Middelton makes $30M a year and plays pretty much same, if not worst than Bogdanovic who sigend for $17M a year and worst than Brogdon who they let walk.
Both Conley and Paul are +30 years old and in that +30 M a year boat .

But king of bad contracts are Wizards with Wall and his supermax.

As I've said before. Like or dislike WeHam the one thing they haven't done is commit big long term money to anyone.

I mean... we're up against the tax, hard-capped, no cap space in sight for years, and a borderline playoff team. Not sure I'd rave about their frugality.

[PrimeThyme]

I mean... we're up against the tax, hard-capped, no cap space in sight for years, and a borderline playoff team. Not sure I'd rave about their frugality.

I think I would also consider giving a 29-year-old Vuc 100m a big money long term commitment.

[zaymon]

I mean... we're up against the tax, hard-capped, no cap space in sight for years, and a borderline playoff team. Not sure I'd rave about their frugality.

I think I would also consider giving a 29-year-old Vuc 100m a big money long term commitment.

I think its good and moveable contract. Its not like Vucevic cant play and will bust like some players after theit first contract.

[ezzzp]

As I've said before. Like or dislike WeHam the one thing they haven't done is commit big long term money to anyone.

I mean... we're up against the tax, hard-capped, no cap space in sight for years, and a borderline playoff team. Not sure I'd rave about their frugality.

I'd rave about their excellent management of luxury tax space and how they've managed assets and structured contracts.

1 By using the MLE, that hard-capped the Magic. But that is totally meaningless because the Magic aren't going to have any capacity or need to exceed the Tax Apron this year.

2 The Magic are only up against the luxury tax this season. They aren't even remotely close to it next season, $18.5m below the tax line and that's with Fournier opting in + including the free agent cap holds on DJ, Iwundu, Frazier and MCW.

Not that it means anything because unless a team is tanking (aka cutting all fiscal costs to bare bones), teams normally operate between the salary cap line and the luxury tax line anyhow.

3 Each team has a very unique ownership wealth/market size context. How a franchise uses the optional payroll space (between the salary cap line and the tax line) is NOT an evaluative measure for where a team is in relation to playoffs.

Some franchise owners just don't have the wealth or the market size to maximize use of that optional payroll space (for example Indiana, Charlotte etc). Other franchises can because their owners are extremely wealthy (for example Portland, Orlando etc). Other franchises have massive markets (NY, Philly, LA etc).

On top of that, each team's decision for whether to use that optional payroll space (between salary cap line and luxury tax line) changes every single year depending on that year's context for the team. Some teams will use it to absorb contracts in order to acquire better assets; other teams will use it retain assets they don't want to lose for nothing...etc.

4 The Magic weren't going to have meaningful cap space for years with or without Vucevic/Ross re-signing. Their signing wasn't going to change the fact that within the next 2-4 years the contracts of all the recent draft pick salaries will explode in size - from rookie scale $ to vet contract $. Unless the Magic consolidate or just allow part of their core to walk, they wouldn't have cap space anyhow.

[PrimeThyme]

I think its good and moveable contract. Its not like Vucevic cant play and will bust like some players after theit first contract.

Ive seen some people suggest that I'm just not in that camp. For these first two seasons at least. His contract wasn't structured to be moved anytime soon.

[Blue_and_Whte]

Is Vuc really 45 million dollars better then Valancinias

What?....

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I stand by what I said. I do question if he is 55 million dollars (math error) better then Val in today's NBA (Val signed a 3yr 45 mill contract this offseason while Vuc required the extra year and got paid 4/100). Last year's version of Vuc is, but we haven't gotten that Vuc this season or the previous 7 seasons before last year either. That's not saying that he isn't still the clear better player tho. Hopefully, we get last years version of Vuc going forward.

In the meantime, congrats on Vuc picking it up in the second half and having the opportunity to bump my post.

REALLY?!

[NavalAviator94]

Was out last night, just got around to watching the game.

There was the one sequence, I believe right near the end of the 1st half, that would have me AGs biggest fan if he played like that all the time. He probed, kept his dribble alive and looked good doing it, backed it out when nothing was there, then took it hard to the basket and made an athletic finish. If he could just always be on the aggressive like that.

I remember that play specifically. He almost tried to play hero ball but realized it just in time to do what you said. His BBIQ is growing a tiny bit.


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[ezzzp]

I think its good and moveable contract. Its not like Vucevic cant play and will bust like some players after theit first contract.

Ive seen some people suggest that I'm just not in that camp. For these first two seasons at least. His contract wasn't structured to be moved anytime soon.

With Bamba obviously a 2-4 year project and Birch a back up level C, there was absolutely no need for his contract to be moved in this year or even next season. But if they wanted to, starting next season the contract has a VERY trade friendly amount and structure.

Vucevic was eligible for a 30% of cap max contract starting at $32.7m + 8% annual raises. Vucevic didn't get that. Instead he got a 4 year deal that has an average of 21% of cap for the 4 seasons.

(19-20) $28m / 25.7% of salary cap
(20-21) $26m / 22.2% of salary cap
(21-22) $24m / 19.2% of salary cap
(22-23) $22m / 16.8% of salary cap

Vucevic will be in his prime for 3 of those 4 seasons.