WOJ: Knicks president [Mills] angling for David Fizdale firing

[dakomish23]

How will M.Jackson help them win now exactly? Is he coming with his GSW roster he had?

How will he help them win now?

For starters

https://ftw.usatoday.com/2017/06/nba-finals-warriors-steve-kerr-mark-jackson-defense

Dakomish you can't constantly call for the blaze of fire of the front office and then be in this thread actually defending Mark Jackson. I won't let you do it to yourself

I’m only defending that he’d help them win now b/c he would get the defense right.

He’s not my pick for coach. I don’t want to win now.

It’s just in that theoretical scenario what would happen.

[F N 11]

Remember what the Raptors did with their G league coach. Maybe we can do the same With Mike Miller.

[F N 11]

How will he help them win now?

For starters

https://ftw.usatoday.com/2017/06/nba-finals-warriors-steve-kerr-mark-jackson-defense

Dakomish you can't constantly call for the blaze of fire of the front office and then be in this thread actually defending Mark Jackson. I won't let you do it to yourself

I’m only defending that he’d help them win now b/c he would get the defense right.

He’s not my pick for coach. I don’t want to win now.

It’s just in that theoretical scenario what would happen.

I bashed Steven A for wanting Mark Jackson. I look like a fool now.

[Sark]

The problem ain't per se Dolan, it's Dolan's people and him not cleaning house, Mills and everyone attached to his persona need to go, Perry may be fine as a executive but he can't be at the helm considering some of his obvious biases

Fiz is terrible, no question, but the issue isn't only him, the first one to go has to be Mills

Most likely Fiz goes, Mills stays til at least June and **** some stuff before he hits the door, Perry stays and maybe get promoted and build his own thing, probably with Mark Jackson (another terrible coach)

You don't get it. Mills is Dolan. He's his eyes and ears on the ground. He's an extension by proxy. Anytime you see Mills, you can just assume that's Dolan. That's why he's been here the whole time. Dolan makes a lot more decisions than it appears, because he hides behind the Mills facade. All the terrible moves that Mills makes have all been run by Dolan, or handed straight down from him.

[No-Man]

The problem ain't per se Dolan, it's Dolan's people and him not cleaning house, Mills and everyone attached to his persona need to go, Perry may be fine as a executive but he can't be at the helm considering some of his obvious biases

Fiz is terrible, no question, but the issue isn't only him, the first one to go has to be Mills

Most likely Fiz goes, Mills stays til at least June and **** some stuff before he hits the door, Perry stays and maybe get promoted and build his own thing, probably with Mark Jackson (another terrible coach)

You don't get it. Mills is Dolan. He's his eyes and ears on the ground. He's an extension by proxy. Anytime you see Mills, you can just assume that's Dolan. That's why he's been here the whole time. Dolan makes a lot more decisions than it appears, because he hides behind the Mills facade. All the terrible moves that Mills makes have all been run by Dolan, or handed straight down from him.

I highly doubt Dolan is that involved, he barely knows the players, Mills is def well connected with him and all that, but the bball decisions are his, he is the one behind the whole loving THJ from the get go

[NoLayupRule]

Dakomish you can't constantly call for the blaze of fire of the front office and then be in this thread actually defending Mark Jackson. I won't let you do it to yourself

I’m only defending that he’d help them win now b/c he would get the defense right.

He’s not my pick for coach. I don’t want to win now.

It’s just in that theoretical scenario what would happen.

I bashed Steven A for wanting Mark Jackson. I look like a fool now.

for some reason Jackson is considered a controversial option

he did great in GS but apparently was difficult and rigid and uncreative in his offense

still Id be interested

clearly fiz should get the season though
there isnt a real downside to him losing
if we do we dont really screw up chances at free agents especially if we add Masai this summer

[Isiahthomass]

The problem ain't per se Dolan, it's Dolan's people and him not cleaning house, Mills and everyone attached to his persona need to go, Perry may be fine as a executive but he can't be at the helm considering some of his obvious biases

Fiz is terrible, no question, but the issue isn't only him, the first one to go has to be Mills

Most likely Fiz goes, Mills stays til at least June and **** some stuff before he hits the door, Perry stays and maybe get promoted and build his own thing, probably with Mark Jackson (another terrible coach)

You don't get it. Mills is Dolan. He's his eyes and ears on the ground. He's an extension by proxy. Anytime you see Mills, you can just assume that's Dolan. That's why he's been here the whole time. Dolan makes a lot more decisions than it appears, because he hides behind the Mills facade. All the terrible moves that Mills makes have all been run by Dolan, or handed straight down from him.

I highly doubt Dolan is that involved, he barely knows the players, Mills is def well connected with him and all that, but the bball decisions are his, he is the one behind the whole loving THJ from the get go

Dolan keeping Mills around despite years of Mills' ineptitude is just as bad

[F N 11]

I’m only defending that he’d help them win now b/c he would get the defense right.

He’s not my pick for coach. I don’t want to win now.

It’s just in that theoretical scenario what would happen.

I bashed Steven A for wanting Mark Jackson. I look like a fool now.

for some reason Jackson is considered a controversial option

he did great in GS but apparently was difficult and rigid and uncreative in his offense

still Id be interested

clearly fiz should get the season though
there isnt a real downside to him losing
if we do we dont really screw up chances at free agents especially if we add Masai this summer

I personally checked out. Until we start having some fun and playing actual basketball I’ll come back.

[K_ick_God]

If we’re going youth with the roster I wouldn’t mind going into the college b-ball game looking for a coach...

Most ideal candidate for me would be Jay Wright.

The Cavs look like they made a good choice in that Michigan coach.

He actually had a plan for how to win that specific game for that specific opponent.

[bearadonisdna]

This is progress.
The clearest faulty on -court cog is publically on the hot seat.
Fiz with his intentions of a revolving door lineup isnt a competitive strategy and we all know it.
Now we also know that the FO wasnt trying to tank so its basically on fiz.

People outside this board will point to the roster.
Imo the roster is C level at worst.
We are getting F results.

[Knicksfan1992]

I’m only defending that he’d help them win now b/c he would get the defense right.

He’s not my pick for coach. I don’t want to win now.

It’s just in that theoretical scenario what would happen.

I bashed Steven A for wanting Mark Jackson. I look like a fool now.

for some reason Jackson is considered a controversial option

he did great in GS but apparently was difficult and rigid and uncreative in his offense

still Id be interested

clearly fiz should get the season though
there isnt a real downside to him losing
if we do we dont really screw up chances at free agents especially if we add Masai this summer

There was a lot of behind the scenes stuff that doomed Jackson. The star players and players who agreed with his views on polarizing topics loved him but others didn't. He also often pitted the management against the players and himself. Blamed injured players for not playing. He would be a disaster in NY IMO. There are better coaches with less baggage that can do the same job. Maybe he changed his ways? But I'd rather another NBA franchise figure that out than us especially since the Knicks continue to have major image issues.

[newyorker4ever]

Yep. They want to win now and he’ll help do that.

How will M.Jackson help them win now exactly? Is he coming with his GSW roster he had?

How will he help them win now?

For starters

https://ftw.usatoday.com/2017/06/nba-finals-warriors-steve-kerr-mark-jackson-defense

Right but they had the players that actually wanted and liked playing defense and we don't have enough of those guys. I think you know this but a huge part of playing defense is effort and defensive BBIQ and he had guys that were already like that when they were drafted. Who plays defense like Dray or Klay and i'm not sure if Iguadala was there or not with Mark and then some of the other guys they had on our team? Frank and Mitch.

[NoLayupRule]

I bashed Steven A for wanting Mark Jackson. I look like a fool now.

for some reason Jackson is considered a controversial option

he did great in GS but apparently was difficult and rigid and uncreative in his offense

still Id be interested

clearly fiz should get the season though
there isnt a real downside to him losing
if we do we dont really screw up chances at free agents especially if we add Masai this summer

There was a lot of behind the scenes stuff that doomed Jackson. The star players and players who agreed with his views on polarizing topics loved him but others didn't. He also often pitted the management against the players and himself. Blamed injured players for not playing. He would be a disaster in NY IMO. There are better coaches with less baggage that can do the same job. Maybe he changed his ways? But I'd rather another NBA franchise figure that out than us especially since the Knicks continue to have major image issues.

I'm honestly not sure who the better options are right now

who's out there for us that would work better?
I think its guys like David Blatt or someone and Im unsold on him

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[bringbackhoffa]

It is a known fact here in Toronto that Masai will never work for Dolan in addition Dolan cannot offer more then MLSE who owns the raptors, they just paid $9million for a rugby player to play in front of 5000 fans here in toronto for the toronto wolfpac..if MLSE is willing to pay 9 mil to a rugby player I can only imagine how much more they will pay Masai who is rumored to be making btw 7.5-10mil a year

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[Knicksfan1992]

for some reason Jackson is considered a controversial option

he did great in GS but apparently was difficult and rigid and uncreative in his offense

still Id be interested

clearly fiz should get the season though
there isnt a real downside to him losing
if we do we dont really screw up chances at free agents especially if we add Masai this summer

There was a lot of behind the scenes stuff that doomed Jackson. The star players and players who agreed with his views on polarizing topics loved him but others didn't. He also often pitted the management against the players and himself. Blamed injured players for not playing. He would be a disaster in NY IMO. There are better coaches with less baggage that can do the same job. Maybe he changed his ways? But I'd rather another NBA franchise figure that out than us especially since the Knicks continue to have major image issues.

I'm honestly not sure who the better options are right now

who's out there for us that would work better?
I think its guys like David Blatt or someone and Im unsold on him

Honestly JVG would be a much better option as a similarly styled coach. Mecca mentioned Joerger earlier. Many options in the college ranks would have higher upside. Mike Miller on our staff would probably be a better option. I just don't think bringing in a guy with a history of making controversial statements on religion, homosexuality, etc. would be the greatest idea right now in 2019 for a team with a major image problem.

[bearadonisdna]

Its funny, fiz saying they are 2 games out is actually MORE reason to fire him.
If your trying to salvage a playoff spot.

Only problem is what do you do from there?
Do you really do 3 coaches in 1 calendar year?
Will the interim be a part of the future?
Most times not likely. The season will turn in a glorified training camp, new coaching, new strategy, new contaminated results.

A playoff berth may not be worth mortaging the teams future. You smoked out fiz, and now have to start over with coaching. The silver lining would be a top 5 pick.
A playoff push could Be instant gratification but complicate thing in the long run.

[GONYK]

I’m only defending that he’d help them win now b/c he would get the defense right.

He’s not my pick for coach. I don’t want to win now.

It’s just in that theoretical scenario what would happen.

I bashed Steven A for wanting Mark Jackson. I look like a fool now.

for some reason Jackson is considered a controversial option

he did great in GS but apparently was difficult and rigid and uncreative in his offense

still Id be interested

clearly fiz should get the season though
there isnt a real downside to him losing
if we do we dont really screw up chances at free agents especially if we add Masai this summer

Uncreative on offense is an understatement. That GSW team that has redefined ball movement under Kerr literally didn't pass when Jackson coached them.

They were last in the league in passing by an almost historically large margin under Jackson. It was almost exclusively isolations.

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[god shammgod]

mark jackson. some of you should be banned from the internet.