WOJ: Knicks president [Mills] angling for David Fizdale firing

[god shammgod]

Indeed. I think it will be hard to blackball him though because he's really good.

have you read this article ? they're scared of the revenue loss. he's basically been cancelled by china. nobody there wants anything to do with him. if you're another owner, why risk hiring him ? nobody is more important than money. this is america after all.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/28059499/inside-nba-silent-tension-surrounding-rockets-gm-daryl-morey

The Chinese way on free speech and censorship is so different from ours and it should not be courted or countenanced. Where does the NBA draw the line? If the Chinese start shooting the protesters or running them over with tanks will it be ok for Morey to speak then? How about they start mass arresting them and leaving them in jail with show trials and long prison sentences? Can he speak then?

What if there is an International Chinese basketball official sexual harassment scandal involving an American? Do we have to pretend it didn't happen? Seriously, wtf, this was an easy opportunity to show we do business to our standards not theirs. Give in now and the demands will just increase. We should have remained silent on Morey and taken the L on the business side. We are letting the Chinese dictate our behavior just like they dictate Chinese behavior. It's not my money, I get that. But they also run the potential of injuring their brand here in the U.S.

it's not even really about the chinese, it's about anything that gets in the way of the money. that's just the way of business. if enough people here cared about hong kong enough to boycott the nba and hurt their bottom line here in this country then they would have took a stand. not because it's the right thing to do but because it's costing them more than looking the other way. but besides from some tweets nobody really cared to do anything. it's sad but true.

[god shammgod]

People like him simply because he makes the same face watching the Knicks that we all make.

wanting mark jackson is such a line in the sand for me.

It's an idiot litmus test. If you think Jackson was a good as a coach, organizational leader, or both, you probably don't have a good decision making matrix and shouldn't be in charge.

shots fired at a few posters here

Spoiler:

not that you're wrong

[Rasho Brezec]

we don't really seem the rebel type

Indeed. I think it will be hard to blackball him though because he's really good.

have you read this article ? they're scared of the revenue loss. he's basically been cancelled by china. nobody there wants anything to do with him. if you're another owner, why risk hiring him ? nobody is more important than money. this is america after all.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/28059499/inside-nba-silent-tension-surrounding-rockets-gm-daryl-morey

Knicks are the only franchise that can afford to shrug off Chinese petulancy.

[blueNorange]

rj is probably already plotting to join giannis in toronto.

[Sethaholic16]

- Knox over SGA
- Not trading for ANY liability contracts with first-round picks attached when they weren't getting max cats
- Not signing DLo when he was the perfect fit and wanted to sign with the Knicks. I've confirmed this with a close source.
- KP trade
- Multiple years to Randle
- Going for veterans instead of playing kids
- Hiring Fizdale

this is a long list. This infrastructure is trash.

Don't forget when Perry was in Sacramento he advised Divac to sign "vets" like Zbo, George Hill, and Vince Carter to be mentors and be competitive. The same **** he's doing here. The Kings were terrible that year with those useless vets. They improved last year when they ditched the vets and actually played the kids

[F N 11]

rj is probably already plotting to join giannis in toronto.

People always say in comments they cant wait for him to come home. I wont be shocked.

[god shammgod]

Huge point

It’s like same **** different year with all these guys. We finally have draft picks and cap space and the front office feels to need to spend every waking dollar (while most short term contracts) on ill fitting bad basketball players. They could have done so many different things and this is what they settled for and now they are literally forced to abandon player development because they need to justify playing these mercenaries huge money to take short term deals.

So not only do we suck very few of our young guys are getting better because there blocked from getting important on the court time.

I feel like this is parroted but which players have actually been blocked from getting better? Frank has clearly improved. Same with Knox. Mitch has been injured on and off so the jury is still out same with DSJ... Trier and Dotson would probably be your best examples but not all young guys work out. If they did building a team would be easy.

i have that feeling too a lot. that the kids don't play enough. but when i look back at the stats from last year, i realize they played a lot more that it seemed.

knox & rj both are getting/got too many minutes. dotson got 27 minutes a game last year. trier got 22.

i don't wanna start trouble but a lot of these complaints are about 1 person. we know who. mitch gets the most screwed. he's statistically the best player and has not fouled out yet this season and besides me and a few others, nobody complains all that much that he gets 17 minutes a game. where's the 400 posts about mitch playing more ? exactly. you're hypocrites and i hate you all. thank you.

[god shammgod]

Indeed. I think it will be hard to blackball him though because he's really good.

have you read this article ? they're scared of the revenue loss. he's basically been cancelled by china. nobody there wants anything to do with him. if you're another owner, why risk hiring him ? nobody is more important than money. this is america after all.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/28059499/inside-nba-silent-tension-surrounding-rockets-gm-daryl-morey

Knicks are the only franchise that can afford to shrug off Chinese petulancy.

james dolan doesn't really strike me as a "take a stand for freedom" kind of guy

[GONYK]

It’s like same **** different year with all these guys. We finally have draft picks and cap space and the front office feels to need to spend every waking dollar (while most short term contracts) on ill fitting bad basketball players. They could have done so many different things and this is what they settled for and now they are literally forced to abandon player development because they need to justify playing these mercenaries huge money to take short term deals.

So not only do we suck very few of our young guys are getting better because there blocked from getting important on the court time.

I feel like this is parroted but which players have actually been blocked from getting better? Frank has clearly improved. Same with Knox. Mitch has been injured on and off so the jury is still out same with DSJ... Trier and Dotson would probably be your best examples but not all young guys work out. If they did building a team would be easy.

i have that feeling too a lot. that the kids don't play enough. but when i look back at the stats from last year, i realize they played a lot more that it seemed.

knox & rj both are getting/got too many minutes. dotson got 27 minutes a game last year. trier got 22.

i don't wanna start trouble but a lot of these complaints are about 1 person. we know who. mitch gets the most screwed. he's statistically the best player and has not fouled out yet this season and besides me and a few others, nobody complains all that much that he gets 17 minutes a game. where's the 400 posts about mitch playing more ? exactly. you're hypocrites and i hate you all. thank you.

It seems like any young player who actually plays defense gets the short end of the stick.

Instead of noticing that and rioting in the name of defense, you want to build walls.

Shame on you, sir. SHAME.

[Stannis]

We could have kept KP and still had room for Durant or a max.

That's true. The Durant rumors were still hot even when KP was on the team with THjr and CLee

You’re not wrong and you’re making valid points for certain.

To me I’d rather just say You know what, KD didn’t want it and we just got taken again. Let’s just ignore these big free agents unless they beg to come.

Fair enough.

But once you think he might come and you can set the table for him and KI, it’s hard to say you’re better off acquiring a protected pick or two and some cap crap.

Look at Boston, they got like so little out of those Nets picks. The draft is a major crapshoot, so is using room to sign non-Max guys. The best use of room is signing Max players ... obviously there’s only a few and they’re all pretty much Prima Donnas which is why they don’t come. They scared of a challenge.

Oh I forgot it’s because we don’t have cool black uniforms and didn’t make the playoffs and get easily bounced. Right.

I just still don't understand why they weren't more aggressive with Kyrie, Kemba, or Butler. I get that they were wary of every FA other than a healthy KD or Kawhi. But you traded KP to make way for FAs. Personally, I'm ok with that. I know what's it's like to get B rated FAs. But I'm surprised Dolan and Mills didn't make more of a push for those guys since they wanted to be competitive.

But I see what you are saying. Knicks thought it was going to be KD + another FA for a long time.

I wouldn't say Boston got little out of the Nets picks. While those picks didn't translate directly to great players, it gives your teams more chances and learning experiences

[HerSports85]

Wasn’t long ago people were trying to convince me that Fiz purposely tanked last year and it was all apart of the plan .. in other words some 4D chess or some **** like that

[god shammgod]

I feel like this is parroted but which players have actually been blocked from getting better? Frank has clearly improved. Same with Knox. Mitch has been injured on and off so the jury is still out same with DSJ... Trier and Dotson would probably be your best examples but not all young guys work out. If they did building a team would be easy.

i have that feeling too a lot. that the kids don't play enough. but when i look back at the stats from last year, i realize they played a lot more that it seemed.

knox & rj both are getting/got too many minutes. dotson got 27 minutes a game last year. trier got 22.

i don't wanna start trouble but a lot of these complaints are about 1 person. we know who. mitch gets the most screwed. he's statistically the best player and has not fouled out yet this season and besides me and a few others, nobody complains all that much that he gets 17 minutes a game. where's the 400 posts about mitch playing more ? exactly. you're hypocrites and i hate you all. thank you.

It seems like any young player who actually plays defense gets the short end of the stick.

Instead of noticing that and rioting in the name of defense, you want to build walls.

Shame on you, sir. SHAME.

i can't argue with this

[HerSports85]

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[Knicksfan1992]

It’s like same **** different year with all these guys. We finally have draft picks and cap space and the front office feels to need to spend every waking dollar (while most short term contracts) on ill fitting bad basketball players. They could have done so many different things and this is what they settled for and now they are literally forced to abandon player development because they need to justify playing these mercenaries huge money to take short term deals.

So not only do we suck very few of our young guys are getting better because there blocked from getting important on the court time.

I feel like this is parroted but which players have actually been blocked from getting better? Frank has clearly improved. Same with Knox. Mitch has been injured on and off so the jury is still out same with DSJ... Trier and Dotson would probably be your best examples but not all young guys work out. If they did building a team would be easy.

i have that feeling too a lot. that the kids don't play enough. but when i look back at the stats from last year, i realize they played a lot more that it seemed.

knox & rj both are getting/got too many minutes. dotson got 27 minutes a game last year. trier got 22.

i don't wanna start trouble but a lot of these complaints are about 1 person. we know who. mitch gets the most screwed. he's statistically the best player and has not fouled out yet this season and besides me and a few others, nobody complains all that much that he gets 17 minutes a game. where's the 400 posts about mitch playing more ? exactly. you're hypocrites and i hate you all. thank you.

I just think there's a difference between "the starting lineup doesn't work and fit" and "Players are getting blocked from getting better".

I agree the personnel is far from perfect but the young guys have gotten plenty of chances. All of them. And if you feel like they're not being put in a position to succeed then at least some of that blame has to go to Fiz as well as the FO. I think pinning this whole thing on Pills is unfair. There's an easy template for well-fitting lineups and our dunce of a coach can't figure it out even though he's stumbled upon it a few times too...

[god shammgod]

This and only this!

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the record is the only reason he might be fired. this is a results business, nobody in management would care much about his lack of x's and o's if he was hovering at .500. even if they thought he was doing a bad job. because firing him is admitting to their boss that they did a bad job by hiring him. and if the next coach can't succeed, they're admitting the coach wasn't the problem, they were. so idealistic thoughts aside, the record is very important if you want to get fiz up outta here.

[Deeeez Knicks]

It just feels like an eternity when players like Randle are in the game, running point and spinning their way down the floor into triple teams. Feels like everybody is on the bench when that happens.

Kinda the same with Timmy, Burke, Mudiay, Kanter last year

[thebuzzardman]

- Knox over SGA
- Not trading for ANY liability contracts with first-round picks attached when they weren't getting max cats
- Not signing DLo when he was the perfect fit and wanted to sign with the Knicks. I've confirmed this with a close source.
- KP trade
- Multiple years to Randle
- Going for veterans instead of playing kids
- Hiring Fizdale

this is a long list. This infrastructure is trash.

Don't forget when Perry was in Sacramento he advised Divac to sign "vets" like Zbo, George Hill, and Vince Carter to be mentors and be competitive. The same **** he's doing here. The Kings were terrible that year with those useless vets. They improved last year when they ditched the vets and actually played the kids

I was hopeful for Perry but he's the guy who kicked around the league for 30 years but couldn't be a GM. Of course he jumped at the chance to GM the Knicks, and Mills picked him probably because he was pliable and do what Mills wanted.

[god shammgod]

It just feels like an eternity when players like Randle are in the game, running point and spinning their way down the floor into triple teams. Feels like everybody is on the bench when that happens.

Kinda the same with Timmy, Burke, Mudiay, Kanter last year

it does. perhaps a more accurate rallying cry than "play the kids" would be "don't play the bums".

[thebuzzardman]

Wasn’t long ago people were trying to convince me that Fiz purposely tanked last year and it was all apart of the plan .. in other words some 4D chess or some **** like that

They did deliberately tank last year. Though Fizdale also sucked. And he sucks this year, but they tried not to tank, but the FO and Fizdale are both terrible.

Fizdale was pretty bad, but it's also clear they didn't go out of their way to try and win any games.

Just because Mills acted like an **** and validated some of your points doesn't validate every last one.

[Tron Carter]

It just feels like an eternity when players like Randle are in the game, running point and spinning their way down the floor into triple teams. Feels like everybody is on the bench when that happens.

Kinda the same with Timmy, Burke, Mudiay, Kanter last year

Randle is literally Kanter and Timmy placed in a fusion chamber. The worst of both worlds.