WOJ: Knicks president [Mills] angling for David Fizdale firing

[K_ick_God]

The funniest thing about all of this is the fact that Dolan and Pills that this team was going to be good. That should scare people more than anything tbh. Honestly, fans should stop going to games and root for them to lose until Pills is fired and/or Dolan sells the team. I hope we get blown out tonight. I hope Luka has a 40 point triple double and KP goes for 50 on Thursday and Dolan leaves his seat crying. Like, what are we really doing here? Ever since 99, all that we've had was Linsanity which went nowhere and we let Lin walk anyway for no reason, a kinda fluky 50 win year that we immediately destroyed by trading rotation players and 1st round picks for Bargnani, and the prospects of drafting who we hoped could be a future superstar in Porzingis, who we wound up trading halfway through his rookie contract for nothing in a salary dump. Are you kidding me with this ****?

We hoped Porzingis would be a superstar, emphasis on hoped. The results are coming in -- he's shooting in Dallas very much as he did in NY -- and the numbers are far short of superstar status.

[GONYK]

I think everyone actually knows why they're struggling. Knicks have no point of attack aka NO PG PLAY.

Everything is initiated with the ball in the point guard's hands. I think Fiz's offense is predicated on how the point guard leads at the point of attack. Knicks don't have one (or that PG is injured) and they expect Ntilikina (who isn't known for creating at the point of attack) to create. Instead, they hand it off to Morris/Randle and expect them to make plays. It's terrible coaching/terrible roster balance/terrible at creating space. It's all terrible, and its because no PG to initiate all of it.

We don't run the PnR, so how do we know what the PG is capable of creating?

Frank's future in the NBA is still likely to be some variant of the 3 and D player who sometimes run the offense while leaving primary ball handling duties to another guard.

BUT

He is actually already competent at running the PnR and Fizdale has him handing off to forwards to create their own shots.

The only wrinkle Fiz brings is ATTACK! so if his PG rushes upcourt and into the paint that makes him happy.

No hard screens are being set in this offense and it becomes every man for himself.

I don't need to promote Frank as something he is not, but I did want to see him play in some kind of system which is where he thrives best

But there is no system so the net effect is no PG, because Frank's game is not suited to playing just freelance, but in sychronization with his teammates.

So if Fizdale survives a few more games, expect Dennis or Elfrid to resume PG duties because Fiz doesn't have the chops to run a basis offense run by an unselfish guy like Frank who would gladly implement it.

Agreed.

Frank isn't Chris Paul or anything, but he runs the offense he's charged with.

If we ran high PnR's, Frank would execute them. He's proven to be able to in the past, and Randle is one of the best PnR finishers in the league.

We aren't doing that because our offense calls for the PG to cross halfcourt and give it to the 5 at the top of the 3 pt line so they can give it to Randle in the post.

All our PG's initiate that way.

[3toheadmelo]

It just feels like an eternity when players like Randle are in the game, running point and spinning their way down the floor into triple teams. Feels like everybody is on the bench when that happens.

Kinda the same with Timmy, Burke, Mudiay, Kanter last year

That’s what happens when you have a coach that won’t hold him accountable and play him to his strengths. Randle is a good player but Fiz is making him look bad in every way possible.

Hell it was Randle himself who said after the Chicago game that he should pass more instead of forcing it. Doesn’t sound like Fiz suggested it.

[Sethaholic16]

- Knox over SGA
- Not trading for ANY liability contracts with first-round picks attached when they weren't getting max cats
- Not signing DLo when he was the perfect fit and wanted to sign with the Knicks. I've confirmed this with a close source.
- KP trade
- Multiple years to Randle
- Going for veterans instead of playing kids
- Hiring Fizdale

this is a long list. This infrastructure is trash.

Don't forget when Perry was in Sacramento he advised Divac to sign "vets" like Zbo, George Hill, and Vince Carter to be mentors and be competitive. The same **** he's doing here. The Kings were terrible that year with those useless vets. They improved last year when they ditched the vets and actually played the kids

I was hopeful for Perry but he's the guy who kicked around the league for 30 years but couldn't be a GM. Of course he jumped at the chance to GM the Knicks, and Mills picked him probably because he was pliable and do what Mills wanted.

What's even more disgusting is we had to pay Sacramento a 2nd round pick to get this guy. Fcking disgrace

[K_ick_God]

We don't run the PnR, so how do we know what the PG is capable of creating?

Frank's future in the NBA is still likely to be some variant of the 3 and D player who sometimes run the offense while leaving primary ball handling duties to another guard.

BUT

He is actually already competent at running the PnR and Fizdale has him handing off to forwards to create their own shots.

The only wrinkle Fiz brings is ATTACK! so if his PG rushes upcourt and into the paint that makes him happy.

No hard screens are being set in this offense and it becomes every man for himself.

I don't need to promote Frank as something he is not, but I did want to see him play in some kind of system which is where he thrives best

But there is no system so the net effect is no PG, because Frank's game is not suited to playing just freelance, but in sychronization with his teammates.

So if Fizdale survives a few more games, expect Dennis or Elfrid to resume PG duties because Fiz doesn't have the chops to run a basis offense run by an unselfish guy like Frank who would gladly implement it.

Agreed.

Frank isn't Chris Paul or anything, but he runs the offense he's charged with.

If we ran high PnR's, Frank would execute them. He's proven to be able to in the past, and Randle is one of the best PnR finishers in the league.

We aren't doing that because our offense calls for the PG to cross halfcourt and give it to the 5 at the top of the 3 pt line so they can give it to Randle in the post.

All our PG's initiate that way.

Might be the only thing "our offense" "calls for."

[Adelheid]

Indeed. I think it will be hard to blackball him though because he's really good.

have you read this article ? they're scared of the revenue loss. he's basically been cancelled by china. nobody there wants anything to do with him. if you're another owner, why risk hiring him ? nobody is more important than money. this is america after all.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/28059499/inside-nba-silent-tension-surrounding-rockets-gm-daryl-morey

Knicks are the only franchise that can afford to shrug off Chinese petulancy.

Are you saying that the Knicks can profit and survive even if they earn the ire of China by hiring Morey?

[Deeeez Knicks]

My GOD, you're right!

Mitch or Bitch Squad reporting for duty!

Maybe when he's taken off of concussion protocol? Sheesh, you guys are ruthless.

You saw Sham's post. He's only playing 17 minutes a game. That's unconscionable and I won't stand for it any longer.

30 minutes or everyone's fired, including you.

Yeah, its crazy. But those are the politics.

Its not like he wasn't producing. Per minute Mitch has been our best player by far.

Per 36 Mitch is leading the team in points, blocks, rebounds, fg%, defensive rating, offensive rating, win share, PER....putting up monster numbers.

He doesnt qualify but would be 5th in the league in win shares per 48.

[HarthorneWingo]

You saw Sham's post. He's only playing 17 minutes a game. That's unconscionable and I won't stand for it any longer.

30 minutes or everyone's fired, including you.

No, I didn't.

Wasn't that due to foul trouble?

From the GT:

Only averaging 6.4 per 36, my dude. He can get to 30 minutes and have a cool 0.6666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666667 (rounded) fouls to spare.

I did all of the calculations.

[Clyde_Style]

We don't run the PnR, so how do we know what the PG is capable of creating?

Frank's future in the NBA is still likely to be some variant of the 3 and D player who sometimes run the offense while leaving primary ball handling duties to another guard.

BUT

He is actually already competent at running the PnR and Fizdale has him handing off to forwards to create their own shots.

The only wrinkle Fiz brings is ATTACK! so if his PG rushes upcourt and into the paint that makes him happy.

No hard screens are being set in this offense and it becomes every man for himself.

I don't need to promote Frank as something he is not, but I did want to see him play in some kind of system which is where he thrives best

But there is no system so the net effect is no PG, because Frank's game is not suited to playing just freelance, but in sychronization with his teammates.

So if Fizdale survives a few more games, expect Dennis or Elfrid to resume PG duties because Fiz doesn't have the chops to run a basis offense run by an unselfish guy like Frank who would gladly implement it.

Agreed.

Frank isn't Chris Paul or anything, but he runs the offense he's charged with.

If we ran high PnR's, Frank would execute them. He's proven to be able to in the past, and Randle is one of the best PnR finishers in the league.

We aren't doing that because our offense calls for the PG to cross halfcourt and give it to the 5 at the top of the 3 pt line so they can give it to Randle in the post.

All our PG's initiate that way.

It is really quite mad

This is like that trash talking criminal being elevated to the highest position in our country, except only two guys had to vote for Fizdale

It is now impossible to separate Fizdale from Mills because there is no justification for giving Fizdale this job (and I have to say Perry too because how could Mills have hired Fizdale without some consensus?)

Memphis got snookered and that red flag didn't seem to faze Pills

CONCLUSION: Hiring Fizdale is definitely a firable offense. Time to clean house

[BallSacBounce]

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That was a whole lot of nothing

He sounded like Steve Mills there.

[HarthorneWingo]

Frank's future in the NBA is still likely to be some variant of the 3 and D player who sometimes run the offense while leaving primary ball handling duties to another guard.

BUT

He is actually already competent at running the PnR and Fizdale has him handing off to forwards to create their own shots.

The only wrinkle Fiz brings is ATTACK! so if his PG rushes upcourt and into the paint that makes him happy.

No hard screens are being set in this offense and it becomes every man for himself.

I don't need to promote Frank as something he is not, but I did want to see him play in some kind of system which is where he thrives best

But there is no system so the net effect is no PG, because Frank's game is not suited to playing just freelance, but in sychronization with his teammates.

So if Fizdale survives a few more games, expect Dennis or Elfrid to resume PG duties because Fiz doesn't have the chops to run a basis offense run by an unselfish guy like Frank who would gladly implement it.

Agreed.

Frank isn't Chris Paul or anything, but he runs the offense he's charged with.

If we ran high PnR's, Frank would execute them. He's proven to be able to in the past, and Randle is one of the best PnR finishers in the league.

We aren't doing that because our offense calls for the PG to cross halfcourt and give it to the 5 at the top of the 3 pt line so they can give it to Randle in the post.

All our PG's initiate that way.

It is really quite mad

This is like that trash talking criminal being elevated to the highest position in our country, except only two guys had to vote for Fizdale

It is now impossible to separate Fizdale from Mills because there is no justification for giving Fizdale this job (and I have to say Perry too because how could Mills have hired Fizdale without some consensus?)

Memphis got snookered and that red flag didn't seem to faze Pills

CONCLUSION: Hiring Fizdale is definitely a firable offense. Time to clean house

The consensus could just come from Dolan.

[HarthorneWingo]

Maybe when he's taken off of concussion protocol? Sheesh, you guys are ruthless.

You saw Sham's post. He's only playing 17 minutes a game. That's unconscionable and I won't stand for it any longer.

30 minutes or everyone's fired, including you.

Yeah, its crazy. But those are the politics.

Its not like he wasn't producing. Per minute Mitch has been our best player by far.

Per 36 Mitch is leading the team in points, blocks, rebounds, fg%, defensive rating, offensive rating, win share, PER....putting up monster numbers.

He doesnt qualify but would be 5th in the league in win shares per 48.

But he's taking up Lebron's, I mean, Randle's space to operate.

[Clyde_Style]

Agreed.

Frank isn't Chris Paul or anything, but he runs the offense he's charged with.

If we ran high PnR's, Frank would execute them. He's proven to be able to in the past, and Randle is one of the best PnR finishers in the league.

We aren't doing that because our offense calls for the PG to cross halfcourt and give it to the 5 at the top of the 3 pt line so they can give it to Randle in the post.

All our PG's initiate that way.

It is really quite mad

This is like that trash talking criminal being elevated to the highest position in our country, except only two guys had to vote for Fizdale

It is now impossible to separate Fizdale from Mills because there is no justification for giving Fizdale this job (and I have to say Perry too because how could Mills have hired Fizdale without some consensus?)

Memphis got snookered and that red flag didn't seem to faze Pills

CONCLUSION: Hiring Fizdale is definitely a firable offense. Time to clean house

The consensus could just come from Dolan.

I see absolutely no reason to think Dolan leaned on Pills to hire Potato Head II

This was the result of the Pills promotional coach search magical mystery tour

[Jeff Van Gully]

wanting mark jackson is such a line in the sand for me.

It's an idiot litmus test. If you think Jackson was a good as a coach, organizational leader, or both, you probably don't have a good decision making matrix and shouldn't be in charge.

shots fired at a few posters here

Spoiler:

not that you're wrong

[Adelheid]

Agreed.

Frank isn't Chris Paul or anything, but he runs the offense he's charged with.

If we ran high PnR's, Frank would execute them. He's proven to be able to in the past, and Randle is one of the best PnR finishers in the league.

We aren't doing that because our offense calls for the PG to cross halfcourt and give it to the 5 at the top of the 3 pt line so they can give it to Randle in the post.

All our PG's initiate that way.

It is really quite mad

This is like that trash talking criminal being elevated to the highest position in our country, except only two guys had to vote for Fizdale

It is now impossible to separate Fizdale from Mills because there is no justification for giving Fizdale this job (and I have to say Perry too because how could Mills have hired Fizdale without some consensus?)

Memphis got snookered and that red flag didn't seem to faze Pills

CONCLUSION: Hiring Fizdale is definitely a firable offense. Time to clean house

The consensus could just come from Dolan.

We all should be concerned why are these guys not running pnr much more often in this era despite all the coaching changes. Fizdale is young and I do believe he belongs to the modern pnr era of coaches, so its rather weird to me. Is somebody up there influencing and telling them not to run much pnr? That east-west-east-west ball movement and dribbling is painful to watch.

[Synciere]

The fact that all of this is going on is evidence that we shouldn’t be burning it down. What Coach worthnhis salt is going to want to come here after the way Fizdale has been treated? It’s like constantly turning over your roster and/or tanking. By the time you have money for free agents they’re going to look at your organization and say hell no.

What possible reason does Masai have for leaving a good Toronto organization to come here?

All of you begging for a coaching change, whos out there that’s clearly better who would actually come? Look at how we ended with KP... Melo.. as fans you may not care but it’s clear that players are watching all of this and taking note.

At some point we need some consistency that isn’t consistently tanking. Y’all don’t hear me though.

[RHODEY]

My GOD, you're right!

Mitch or Bitch Squad reporting for duty!

Maybe when he's taken off of concussion protocol? Sheesh, you guys are ruthless.

You saw Sham's post. He's only playing 17 minutes a game. That's unconscionable and I won't stand for it any longer.

30 minutes or everyone's fired, including you.

He's been put on the KP load management program.

[HarthorneWingo]

It is really quite mad

This is like that trash talking criminal being elevated to the highest position in our country, except only two guys had to vote for Fizdale

It is now impossible to separate Fizdale from Mills because there is no justification for giving Fizdale this job (and I have to say Perry too because how could Mills have hired Fizdale without some consensus?)

Memphis got snookered and that red flag didn't seem to faze Pills

CONCLUSION: Hiring Fizdale is definitely a firable offense. Time to clean house

The consensus could just come from Dolan.

We all should be concerned why are these guys not running pnr much more often in this era despite all the coaching changes. Fizdale is young and I do believe he belongs to the modern pnr era of coaches, so its rather weird to me. Is somebody up there influencing and telling them not to run much pnr? That east-west-east-west ball movement and dribbling is painful to watch.

Very painful. Like when you put an ice pic in your ear drum.

[G_K_F]

Was just thinking that after Mills successfully scapegoats Fizdale (and eventually Perry too) the Knicks would be hiring their 6th head coach in 5 years.

Do ya'll know how ridiculous that sounds? Lmao.

And people talk and Dolan not being a problem.

[BallSacBounce]

The fact that all of this is going on isn’t evidence that we shouldn’t be burning it down. What Coach worthnhis salt is going to want to come here after the way Fizdale has been treated? It’s like constantly turning over your roster and/or tanking. By the time you have money for free agents they’re going to look at your organization and say hell no.

What possible reason does Masai have for leaving a good Toronto organization to come here?

All of you begging for a coaching change, whos out there that’s clearly better who would actually come? Look at how we ended with KP... Melo.. as fans you may not care but it’s clear that players are watching all of this and taking note.

At some point we need some consistency that isn’t consistently tanking. Y’all don’t hear me though.

We haven't had consistent tanking. It's time we did that. And it's time for that stinking rotting fish Mills to be discarded. If you get rid of Mills the incoming executive will want to pick his own team so you are getting rid of both Perry and Fizdale by default.

You start fresh, pick the right guy to head the franchise and then leave him the hell alone for 5 years. There is your consistency. We would be stupid to remain at consistently idiotic with the current regime. Dolan is probably incapable of staying hands off so we're stuck in hell until he sells.