EDIT: Old thread hypothetical in spoiler, value-wise the trade felt a bit iffy for Oklahoma City. Just doing the default trade model below to gauge value from each team.
MIN: Jrue Holiday and Danilo Gallinari OUT: Jeff Teague, Gorgui Dieng, Jarrett Culver, Minnesota's 2020 First Round Draft Pick (Unprotected), Minnesota's 2022 First Round Draft Pick (1-4 Protected), and a couple seconds.
Why for Minnesota? The roster would be disgustingly good, albeit injury prone.
NOP: Jeff Teague, Jarrett Culver, and Minnesota's 2020 First Round Draft Pick (Unprotected) OUT: Jrue Holiday
Why for New Orleans? Get last year's sixth overall pick, an unprotected first, and an expiring in Teague that likely could be flipped for a second. Open up considerable amounts of cap for next off-season.
OKC: Gorgui Dieng, Minnesota's 2022 First Round Draft Pick (1-4 Protected), and a couple seconds. OUT: Danilo Gallinari
Why for Oklahoma City? Was debating 1-8 vs 1-4 protections, but figured I wouldn't be greedy. Get a lightly protected first and a couple seconds for taking on a year of Gorgui and giving up a quality player. Get out of the Luxury-Tax.
Spoiler:
I just created another thread about getting Danilo Gallinari to Minnesota, but I want to expand it a bit more. I want the following roster, but I need your help!
Jrue Holiday / Shabazz Napier Andrew Wiggins / Josh Okogie Robert Covington / Treveon Graham Danilo Gallinari / Jordan Bell Karl-Anthony Towns / Noah Vonleh
There is a format that functionally works which I will lay out below.
MIN: Jrue Holiday and Danilo Gallinari OUT: Jeff Teague, Gorgui Dieng, Jarrett Culver, a couple firsts, and a couple seconds.
NOP: Jeff Teague, Jarrett Culver, and an unprotected first. OUT: Jrue Holiday
OKC: Gorgui Dieng, a barely protected first, and a couple seconds. OUT: Danilo Gallinari
While functionally the trade absolutely makes sense (even if the value is vague), I feel it falls apart in the real world for two reasons: One, New Orleans is already loaded with young talent at the guard positions, and secondly, if they were in love with Jarrett Culver, they could have selected him with the fourth overall pick instead of trading down to eighth overall with Atlanta. In contrast, Jarrett Culver is a player that makes sense when you look at Oklahoma City's previous record of drafting and far better fills the hole they have to fill long-term next to Shai-Gilgeous Alexander.
To be fair, if New Orleans was not in love with Lonzo Ball, it could make sense to slide Nickeil Alexander-Walker down to Point-Guard, but contextual clues suggest this is not the plan. Let me know if you disagree with what I am seeing, but I don't think New Orleans has major interest in Culver.
So a new format would be....
MIN: Jrue Holiday and Danilo Gallinari OUT: Jeff Teague, Gorgui Dieng, Jarrett Culver, a couple firsts, and a couple seconds.
NOP: Jeff Teague, two lightly protected/unprotected Minnesota firsts, picks from Oklahoma City, and miscellaneous seconds. OUT: Jrue Holiday
OKC: Gorgui Dieng and Jarrett Culver OUT: Danilo Gallinari and picks
So here is the question I pose: How many picks (and what picks) would it take to make New Orleans happy, while not gouging Oklahoma City?
EDIT: As an aside, it is a fair position to say Minnesota might need to cough up more, but I definitely am more interested in the Oklahoma thought-experiment.
I would say Gallo itself is worth a first and expirings. Getting future salary and giving up picks for culver in addition to giving Gallo is a no go in my view.
tcheco wrote:I can't see a way to make this happen honestly.
I would say Gallo itself is worth a first and expirings. Getting future salary and giving up picks for culver in addition to giving Gallo is a no go in my view.
I got a similar response on the Oklahoma City forum, and I kind of think this is the right train of thought. I think the first trade makes more sense value wise, so I think I am just going to reformat the thread for that instead.
tcheco wrote:I can't see a way to make this happen honestly.
I would say Gallo itself is worth a first and expirings. Getting future salary and giving up picks for culver in addition to giving Gallo is a no go in my view.
I got a similar response on the Oklahoma City forum, and I kind of think this is the right train of thought. I think the first trade makes more sense value wise, so I think I am just going to reformat the thread for that instead.
The thing is, I really feel that Gallo can net expirings and a first, which makes having Dieng in the trade, while not ruin it, makes it less than what other teams can offer.
tcheco wrote:I can't see a way to make this happen honestly.
I would say Gallo itself is worth a first and expirings. Getting future salary and giving up picks for culver in addition to giving Gallo is a no go in my view.
I got a similar response on the Oklahoma City forum, and I kind of think this is the right train of thought. I think the first trade makes more sense value wise, so I think I am just going to reformat the thread for that instead.
I'd start with the first trade, which really are two seperate two team trades and look for other teams to fix the fit. What can you get for Culver from a third team that makes sense for NOP?
For the OKC trade, if Dieng's contract really is an issue for them, I think Dallas might do Dieng + a couple of 2nds for Lee. OKC would also end up saving a bunch of money in that scenario. But honestly I don't think OKC minds taking on future money for picks atm.
This is just too much value for Wolves to give up for an expiring and 2 years of Holiday — two players that aren’t similar core age as Towns.
Wolves more so than most teams should be really guarded with their 2022 1st. A habitual lotto team can’t risk giving up a quality 1st in a double draft. I think in general teams are going to treat the 2022 draft like precious event that can make or break a team’s future.
I like it. I think cap space next offseason is getting overrated in these threads. Minnesota seems like the biggest ? to me, I'm not sure I like them pushing their chips in right now.
I don't think Minnesota should be pushing in the chips. Playout the season in a playoff push and hope you make the post-season and if not you develop your young players and maintain assets and cap flexibility.
