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Re: WOJ: Knicks president [Mills] angling for David Fizdale firing 

Post#1001 » by Sark » Wed Nov 13, 2019 12:17 pm

My guess is that Mills finds a way to throw Perry under the bus, and blame all the problems on him. There'll probably be a report that the KP trade or the idea of KD + Kyrie was all from Perry. Something to that effect.
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Post#1002 » by Dantares » Wed Nov 13, 2019 1:34 pm

I can see this team becoming one of the best defensive team in the league if we hire JVG. guys like barrett, frank, Dotson and mitch would excel under jvg. Trier not so much
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Re: WOJ: Knicks president [Mills] angling for David Fizdale firing 

Post#1003 » by GEOLINK » Wed Nov 13, 2019 1:38 pm

Sark wrote:My guess is that Mills finds a way to throw Perry under the bus, and blame all the problems on him. There'll probably be a report that the KP trade or the idea of KD + Kyrie was all from Perry. Something to that effect.

Mills will take credit for the Melo trade.
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Post#1004 » by Deeeez Knicks » Wed Nov 13, 2019 2:06 pm

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Interesting. Well, this basically means Mills will almost certainly fire Fiz towards the end of this year, try to shake things up at the trade deadline, ultimately fail, and we'll see how things go in the offseason.

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Re: WOJ: Knicks president [Mills] angling for David Fizdale firing 

Post#1005 » by GONYK » Wed Nov 13, 2019 2:07 pm

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aq_ua wrote:Interesting. Well, this basically means Mills will almost certainly fire Fiz towards the end of this year, try to shake things up at the trade deadline, ultimately fail, and we'll see how things go in the offseason.

Ladies and gentlemen, your 2019-2020 New York Knicks.

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Mills has immunity...That is crazy if true

The article says that he doesn't
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GONYK wrote:From the same article:

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Mills has immunity...That is crazy if true

The article says that he doesn't


Thankgod i read that wrong. :lol: Need another cup of coffee
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Re: WOJ: Knicks president [Mills] angling for David Fizdale firing 

Post#1007 » by Rasho Brezec » Wed Nov 13, 2019 3:19 pm

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have you read this article ? they're scared of the revenue loss. he's basically been cancelled by china. nobody there wants anything to do with him. if you're another owner, why risk hiring him ? nobody is more important than money. this is america after all.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/28059499/inside-nba-silent-tension-surrounding-rockets-gm-daryl-morey

Knicks are the only franchise that can afford to shrug off Chinese petulancy.


james dolan doesn't really strike me as a "take a stand for freedom" kind of guy

No, but the market for Morey's services would be greatly diminished if that article is true. Meaning it's either Knicks for him or a career in something else.
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Post#1008 » by dakomish23 » Wed Nov 13, 2019 3:36 pm

Sark wrote:My guess is that Mills finds a way to throw Perry under the bus, and blame all the problems on him. There'll probably be a report that the KP trade or the idea of KD + Kyrie was all from Perry. Something to that effect.


Probably dump the signings / Knox pick on Fiz. Frank on PJax.

He’ll find a way to spin anything that can be construed as negative into a negative for someone else.

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Post#1009 » by nykfan42 » Wed Nov 13, 2019 4:13 pm

Blow it up. Its needed to be done for the longest time now.
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Post#1010 » by Capn'O » Wed Nov 13, 2019 4:14 pm

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Rasho Brezec wrote:Knicks are the only franchise that can afford to shrug off Chinese petulancy.


james dolan doesn't really strike me as a "take a stand for freedom" kind of guy

No, but the market for Morey's services would be greatly diminished if that article is true. Meaning it's either Knicks for him or a career in something else.


I agree. The Knicks will have no choice but to hire Morey and Morey will have no choice but to sign with the Knicks.

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Post#1011 » by robillionaire » Wed Nov 13, 2019 4:26 pm

I don’t want Morey, the rockets have been making dumb moves for a long time now and have wasted away their opportunities to win a championship
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Post#1012 » by jvsimonetti0514 » Wed Nov 13, 2019 4:39 pm

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Post#1013 » by 1999 » Wed Nov 13, 2019 4:39 pm

Synciere wrote:The fact that all of this is going on is evidence that we shouldn’t be burning it down. What Coach worthnhis salt is going to want to come here after the way Fizdale has been treated? It’s like constantly turning over your roster and/or tanking. By the time you have money for free agents they’re going to look at your organization and say hell no.

What possible reason does Masai have for leaving a good Toronto organization to come here?

All of you begging for a coaching change, whos out there that’s clearly better who would actually come? Look at how we ended with KP... Melo.. as fans you may not care but it’s clear that players are watching all of this and taking note.

At some point we need some consistency that isn’t consistently tanking. Y’all don’t hear me though.


You’re absolutely right but that dumb ass post game press conference didn’t do the organization any favors. Now after every loss there’s going to be speculation. It’s dysfunctional and no way to work. That press conference unnecessarily put him on the clock.


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Re: WOJ: Knicks president [Mills] angling for David Fizdale firing 

Post#1014 » by GONYK » Wed Nov 13, 2019 4:43 pm

robillionaire wrote:I don’t want Morey, the rockets have been making dumb moves for a long time now and have wasted away their opportunities to win a championship
I don't think Morey is Masai, but I do think he's a good asset manager with a clear vision and a sense of creativity.

I think being unburdened by luxury tax implications might really let him flourish.

That being said, if we are talking about someone who can really light it up if it remove financial worries from his plate, I'd rather try and make a run at Presti.
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Post#1015 » by 3toheadmelo » Wed Nov 13, 2019 5:35 pm

Knicks may go after Presti via Bondy. Thoughts?
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Post#1016 » by jvsimonetti0514 » Wed Nov 13, 2019 5:46 pm

I’m fine with Presti, Masai, or Morey but they need to be able to clean house.
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Post#1017 » by Synciere » Wed Nov 13, 2019 5:50 pm

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Synciere wrote:The fact that all of this is going on is evidence that we shouldn’t be burning it down. What Coach worthnhis salt is going to want to come here after the way Fizdale has been treated? It’s like constantly turning over your roster and/or tanking. By the time you have money for free agents they’re going to look at your organization and say hell no.

What possible reason does Masai have for leaving a good Toronto organization to come here?

All of you begging for a coaching change, whos out there that’s clearly better who would actually come? Look at how we ended with KP... Melo.. as fans you may not care but it’s clear that players are watching all of this and taking note.

At some point we need some consistency that isn’t consistently tanking. Y’all don’t hear me though.


You’re absolutely right but that dumb ass post game press conference didn’t do the organization any favors. Now after every loss there’s going to be speculation. It’s dysfunctional and no way to work. That press conference unnecessarily put him on the clock.


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The speculation can swirl in the media and amongst fans, but they can get on the same page and come to an accord internally, at least until after the season. That press conference was definitely an abomination.
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Post#1018 » by BallSacBounce » Wed Nov 13, 2019 6:00 pm

jvsimonetti0514 wrote:I’m fine with Presti, Masai, or Morey but they need to be able to clean house.

Hopefully none of them would take the job unless they could. Let Dolan sit in his own excrement until he's willing to change.
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Post#1019 » by Knicksfan1992 » Wed Nov 13, 2019 6:02 pm

3toheadmelo wrote:Knicks may go after Presti via Bondy. Thoughts?


Would be the best thing they can do. Has shown he can operate under a rebuild, competitive team, and also manage luxury tax concerns. Always drafted well at the top of the draft. Knicks would alleviate the luxury tax concerns he constantly has to worry about and he pretty much has a blank slate to work with. This is the right Sam to hire.
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Post#1020 » by The KnicksFix » Wed Nov 13, 2019 6:02 pm

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NoLayupRule wrote:the trouble with Masai, and really the only trouble, is that it'll cost us like a player trade

were gonna have to send at least a pick

and not a 2nd rounder

it might cost us two picks


still, Id be happy to have a real executive here again

No no no no, the problem with Masai is the same problem as it was with Phil Jackson or even Larry Brown—there simply isn’t a dollar amount Dolan can overpay to fix the institutional dysfunction he’s created.

Paying for a high priced name brand is predictable and continues the same cycle of entitled trustfund baby madness. You cannot simply BUY your way into instant greatness. Sorry.

Masai, like his predecessors, would not have autonomy from Dolan’s wishes. In all likelihood he would still have Mills or whatever corporate shill Dolan runs out to replace him.

Like Phil or Larry, Masai would be getting overpaid NOT for his basketball acumen but rather his brand recognition to provide media cover (and inevitable scapegoat fallguy) for Dolan’s never ending ineptitude.

Instead of developing the next Masai Ujiri or Kevin Durant, Dolan thinks he can just buy one off the shelf. This kind of delusional hubris has never and will never work. It’s just more failure waiting to happen.


Masai isn't the GM of the Raptors anymore, he's the President. He also has his own thing in Africa as well. If Dolan is going to somehow lure Masai away from the Raptors org, he'd need to be granted greater power than what he already has. This would mean a sizable stake ownership in the Knicks and probably a clause in the contract that only he can fire himself (step down). Basically if he was hired and did something Dolan didn't want, tough ****, he runs the show.


Money talks bro. If it’s the only good thing Dolan does, he throws money at everyone. Even years after they’ve been fired. He’ll offer him a lot of money, a la Jon Gruden

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