2019-2020 Trade Deadline Thread

[slick_watts]

i think shai is going to be a fantastic player but right now he's a bit discombobulated. he's 5th in the nba in drives per game, with a fg% of 46% when he attempts a shot off a drive. this isn't that great. he passes about a third of the time on drives which is in the range of high usage shooting guards like mitchell and derozan- i think shai has better play making chops than that and should probably up that passing frequency more even if it won't result in assists (since we suck). he is fouled on 8% of his drives which is a surprisingly high number considering his FTr has been dropping.

if you look at his shot attempt breakdown on nba.com here: https://stats.nba.com/player/1628983/shooting/

you can see low percentages on floaters and many kinds of layups. 'driving layup shot' comprises nearly 1/4 of his total fga and he's at 35% on those.

so although he's shown he has an array of moves and gears to get to the rim / paint, his shot selection outside of the restricted area and his tendencies on drives are sub-optimal. shai has only played 10 minutes this season without either chris paul or dennis schroder so it seems he's being pigeon holed into this primary scorer / shot taker role. i'm not sure this is ideal. when he's on the court with schroder (and without paul), he's at 30% usage and 48% ts, for example.

[slick_watts]

Paul-Gilgeous-Alexander-Gallinari-Adams/Noel with a 113.7 DRtG per pbpstats.com in 216 minutes. 5.6 pp100p worse than league average defensively. Which also means that the Thunder have allowed 99.4 pp100p the rest of the way.

playing ferugon / diallo with gallinari at pf has really hurt the team on defense especially replacing paul george and jerami grant in those roles. george was one of the top defensive wings in the league last season and grant's rim protection and athleticism (especially relative to gallinari) also was helpful.

i'd like to see darius bazley at sf in those starting lineups and see how that does.

[ThunderBolt]

so although he's shown he has an array of moves and gears to get to the rim / paint, his shot selection outside of the restricted area and his tendencies on drives are sub-optimal.

I've seen him show some nice moves outside the restricted area. I think the issue right now is indecisiveness, not lack of ability. Sometimes it looks like his midrange is an after thought. When he's decisive like it looks pretty good.


https://stats.nba.com/events/?flag=1&GameID=0021900135&GameEventID=15&Season=2019-20&title=Gilgeous-Alexander%2019%27%20Pullup%20Jump%20Shot%20(2%20PTS)%20(Paul%201%20AST)&sct=plot

shai has only played 10 minutes this season without either chris paul or dennis schroder so it seems he's being pigeon holed into this primary scorer / shot taker role. i'm not sure this is ideal. when he's on the court with schroder (and without paul), he's at 30% usage and 48% ts, for example.

I'm hoping this is a because they are trying to appease dennis and maximize his trade value and not becuase they don't believe he can be a pg.

[slick_watts]

I've seen him show some nice moves outside the restricted area. I think the issue right now is indecisiveness, not lack of ability. Sometimes it looks like his midrange is an after thought. When he's decisive like it looks pretty good.


https://stats.nba.com/events/?flag=1&GameID=0021900135&GameEventID=15&Season=2019-20&title=Gilgeous-Alexander%2019%27%20Pullup%20Jump%20Shot%20(2%20PTS)%20(Paul%201%20AST)&sct=plot

the 3-13 foot range is tough for most players. even players like luka or chris paul or curry who have done well there have supplemented that with either insane FTr (luka) or high volume elite 3pt shooting. i'm not a fan of this area being such a focus of his offense.

[ThunderBolt]

I've seen him show some nice moves outside the restricted area. I think the issue right now is indecisiveness, not lack of ability. Sometimes it looks like his midrange is an after thought. When he's decisive like it looks pretty good.


https://stats.nba.com/events/?flag=1&GameID=0021900135&GameEventID=15&Season=2019-20&title=Gilgeous-Alexander%2019%27%20Pullup%20Jump%20Shot%20(2%20PTS)%20(Paul%201%20AST)&sct=plot

the 3-13 foot range is tough for most players. even players like luka or chris paul or curry who have done well there have supplemented that with either insane FTr (luka) or high volume elite 3pt shooting. i'm not a fan of this area being such a focus of his offense.

What's the path for improvement?

[Pillendreher]

when he's on the court with schroder (and without paul), he's at 30% usage and 48% ts, for example.

Sounds like Russ next to Schröder last season. Or was it the other way around?

[ThunderBolt]

Paul-Gilgeous-Alexander-Gallinari-Adams/Noel with a 113.7 DRtG per pbpstats.com in 216 minutes. 5.6 pp100p worse than league average defensively. Which also means that the Thunder have allowed 99.4 pp100p the rest of the way.

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You're looking in the wrong direction. Russ had the defense humming for years. The starters can't defend anymore as soon as he leaves? Coincidence? I think not.

Dre is scared to return without Russ there to bail him out when he falls asleep.

[slick_watts]

when he's on the court with schroder (and without paul), he's at 30% usage and 48% ts, for example.

Sounds like Russ next to Schröder last season. Or was it the other way around?

schroder had < 20 usage when he was on the court with westbrook last year, but he has 25+ next to shai. of course this isn't taking paul george into account.

schroder's usage went nuts with bench units. 30 usage without westbrook. 30 usage without westbrook, and with george. he was basically like westbrook when westbrook was out.

[Balkman32]

Congrats on becoming a mod, TB!

Here is a trade I posted over on the Trade Board, was curious of your guys' thoughts.

MIN: Danilo Gallinari
OUT: Jeff Teague and Minnesota's 2020 First Round Draft Pick (1-20 Protected; becomes two seconds)

Why for Minnesota? Get the bird-rights to one of the most dynamic three-point shooters in the entire league, further opening up the lane for Andrew Wiggins.

OKC: Jeff Teague and Minnesota's 2020 First Round Draft Pick (1-20 Protected; becomes two seconds)
OUT: Danilo Gallinari

Why for Oklahoma City? Potentially acquire a late-first, get out of the Luxury-Tax, and get a player who can be flipped again in Jeff Teague.

Ideally you find a third team for Teague, but regardless, that is the framework.

I think the Thunder will receive a better pick than a 2020 protected picks 1-20, I think the most protection the Thunder would allow in a Gallo deal is lottery protected that rolls over like a 1st round pick protected for selections 1-14 in 2020, 1-14 in 2021, 1-14 in 2022, unprotected in 2023.

I just don't trust that the Wolves will be one of the top 10 teams in the league. Which turns this pick into two seconds. The 2nds would have to be in 2022 and 2023 (double draft potential). The Thunder rather keep Gallo then get two seconds for him. I think that the Thunder's method of dealing Gallo (if they trade him) is they will want a 2022 and/or 2023 first round picks. This will allow teams to trade their 2020 or 2021 first in another deal to get another guy.

Most bad teams wouldn't want a 2022 or 2023 pick because they probably wont be there to use it. But, Presti is in a different situation than most GM's.

[Balkman32]

Continuing the board raid (I agree with that position, I'd personally knock the protections down to 1-14), here is something else more ridiculous to consider.

MIN: Jrue Holiday and Danilo Gallinari
OUT: Jeff Teague, Gorgui Dieng, Jarrett Culver, a couple firsts, and a couple seconds.

NOP: Jeff Teague, two lightly protected/unprotected Minnesota firsts, picks from Oklahoma City, and miscellaneous seconds.
OUT: Jrue Holiday

OKC: Gorgui Dieng and Jarrett Culver
OUT: Danilo Gallinari and picks

So here is the question I pose: How many picks (and what picks) would it take to make New Orleans happy, while not gouging Oklahoma City?

What would you all be comfortable to give up pick-wise (since you have seventy) to complete this kind of trade?

I think taking on Dieng and his $17 million next year is about all we can swallow on this one. To trade Dino and picks for Culver and to take on Dieng just doesn't make sense.

[Dadouv47]

Continuing the board raid (I agree with that position, I'd personally knock the protections down to 1-14), here is something else more ridiculous to consider.

MIN: Jrue Holiday and Danilo Gallinari
OUT: Jeff Teague, Gorgui Dieng, Jarrett Culver, a couple firsts, and a couple seconds.

NOP: Jeff Teague, two lightly protected/unprotected Minnesota firsts, picks from Oklahoma City, and miscellaneous seconds.
OUT: Jrue Holiday

OKC: Gorgui Dieng and Jarrett Culver
OUT: Danilo Gallinari and picks

So here is the question I pose: How many picks (and what picks) would it take to make New Orleans happy, while not gouging Oklahoma City?

What would you all be comfortable to give up pick-wise (since you have seventy) to complete this kind of trade?

I think taking on Dieng and his $17 million next year is about all we can swallow on this one. To trade Dino and picks for Culver and to take on Dieng just doesn't make sense.

it's not really an issue to pay Dieng until 2021. I would be fine trading picks for nice young players. Gallo + Denver 2020 FRP + one more future FRP for Culver may be an overpay though.

[RalphSampsonJr]

We don’t need RoCo.

Dont need a wing?! You happy with Nader and burton?!

[ThunderBolt]

We don’t need RoCo.

Dont need a wing?! You happy with Nader and burton?!

Rebuilding teams don’t trade for 29 year old role players.

[Dadouv47]

Is signing Melo the last desperate move from Portland before trading their 2020 FRP for Gallo?

[ThunderBolt]

Is signing Melo the last desperate move from Portland before trading their 2020 FRP for Gallo?

It’s disappointing that the warriors and blazers have turned in to tank competitors.

[Pillendreher]

Is signing Melo the last desperate move from Portland before trading their 2020 FRP for Gallo?

It’s disappointing that the warriors and blazers have turned in to tank competitors.

It's frustrating that my takes come to fruition one year too late. Grant being trash. Portland being trash. Just unfortunate.

[ThunderBolt]

Is signing Melo the last desperate move from Portland before trading their 2020 FRP for Gallo?

It’s disappointing that the warriors and blazers have turned in to tank competitors.

It's frustrating that my takes come to fruition one year too late. Grant being trash. Portland being trash. Just unfortunate.

[Kizz Fastfists]

It's frustrating that my takes come to fruition one year too late. Grant being trash. Portland being trash. Just unfortunate.

Grant was the perfect sell high candidate this off-season and Presti did it while most of the fan base cried. Grant will probably start shooting better than he is right now, but he's not the shooter he showed last year, and that is where his perceived value was coming from. If he repeated last year's 39% shooting from 3 then he would have opted out and gotten a big contract. By failing to shoot well he'll opt in and, at best, be an even value contract.

[Balkman32]

Is signing Melo the last desperate move from Portland before trading their 2020 FRP for Gallo?

You would think. This is might be the end of them though. Melo's defense is just awful. He will be exposed on a nightly basis.

I wonder if they wait and see what Nurkic and Collins are when they comes back. Because, if they can play this year they might want to move Whiteside rather than Bazemore. I would expect the Thunder would be willing to take a 22 or 23 draft pick which would allow the Blazers to move a 20 or 21 in another deal, if they wanted to go for it this year.

[ThunderBolt]

Even if Nurkic comes back, there isn't any reason to think he won't struggle like other players have struggled after a major injury. Maybe he'll be back to normal next season but I doubt it will happen this season.