WOJ: Knicks president [Mills] angling for David Fizdale firing

[The KnicksFix]

Knicks may go after Presti via Bondy. Thoughts?

Would be the best thing they can do. Has shown he can operate under a rebuild, competitive team, and also manage luxury tax concerns. Always drafted well at the top of the draft. Knicks would alleviate the luxury tax concerns he constantly has to worry about and he pretty much has a blank slate to work with. This is the right Sam to hire.

As opposed to L. Jackson?

[Knicksfan1992]

Knicks may go after Presti via Bondy. Thoughts?

Would be the best thing they can do. Has shown he can operate under a rebuild, competitive team, and also manage luxury tax concerns. Always drafted well at the top of the draft. Knicks would alleviate the luxury tax concerns he constantly has to worry about and he pretty much has a blank slate to work with. This is the right Sam to hire.

As opposed to L. Jackson?

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That's it, pile on.

[HarthorneWingo]

Knicks may go after Presti via Bondy. Thoughts?

Would be the best thing they can do. Has shown he can operate under a rebuild, competitive team, and also manage luxury tax concerns. Always drafted well at the top of the draft. Knicks would alleviate the luxury tax concerns he constantly has to worry about and he pretty much has a blank slate to work with. This is the right Sam to hire.

As opposed to L. Jackson?

As opposed to Dave Chappelle playing Samuel L. Jackson?

[jvsimonetti0514]

I’m fine with Presti, Masai, or Morey but they need to be able to clean house.

Hopefully none of them would take the job unless they could. Let Dolan sit in his own excrement until he's willing to change.

I don’t think a top GM would sit down with us without that assurances. None of those guys are Griffin and he walked away on us because of that.

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[Stannis]

Knicks Need To 'Show Progress' This Season For Steve Mills, Scott Perry To Keep Jobs
https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/256138/Knicks-Need-To-Show-Progress-This-Season-For-Steve-Mills-Scott-Perry-To-Keep-Jobs

Not sure how I feel about this...

I would love to lose out tbh. We get a top draft pick, and Mills will finally be fired.

However, key word is "progress". Something tells me that Mills will make a blockbuster trade for ok star(s). This will keep his job and the Knicks will be more competitive. So goodbye draft picks, and we will be back on the Isiah-esque path.

So basically, I don't think Pills will try to continue the tank even though it's the best long term option. We could blow up and trade Morris for a pick probably. But Dolan isn't going to buy that. He wants to see results now. Mills and Perry are going to try to make quick fix(s) to keep their jobs.

Yep... Dolan. He just needs to hire a good team for the Knicks like he did with the Rangers. Get some new, young, and creative blood in here. It doesn't have to be a former GM because those likely failed with their previous teams. For once, you are better off hiring young guys trying to make a name for themselves.

[GONYK]

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The best coach he's ever had sent him to the D-League

[Stannis]

I expect the Knicks to make a trade for Wall + Beal (66 million) at the deadline

Knicks send:
3 1st round picks
Randle (18 million)
Bobby (15 million)
Morris (15 million)
Taj (9 million)
Payton or Ellington (8 million)

Total: 65 million

Knicks Receive:
Wall
Beal

Total: 66 million

Mills gets to keep his job because he convinces Dolan that he got 2 superstars for the team.

[GONYK]

I expect the Knicks to make a trade for Wall + Beal (66 million) at the deadline

Knicks send:
3 1st round picks
Randle (18 million)
Bobby (15 million)
Morris (15 million)
Taj (9 million)
Payton or Ellington (8 million)

Total: 65 million

Knicks Receive:
Wall
Beal

Total: 66 million

Mills gets to keep his job because he convinces Dolan that he got 2 superstars for the team.

Washington has the same record we do. That won't make us better

[HarthorneWingo]

I expect the Knicks to make a trade for Wall + Beal (66 million) at the deadline

Knicks send:
3 1st round picks
Randle (18 million)
Bobby (15 million)
Morris (15 million)
Taj (9 million)
Payton or Ellington (8 million)

Total: 65 million

Knicks Receive:
Wall
Beal

Total: 66 million

Mills gets to keep his job because he convinces Dolan that he got 2 superstars for the team.

That would be classic Isiah. Hopefully that never happens.

[Stannis]

I expect the Knicks to make a trade for Wall + Beal (66 million) at the deadline

Knicks send:
3 1st round picks
Randle (18 million)
Bobby (15 million)
Morris (15 million)
Taj (9 million)
Payton or Ellington (8 million)

Total: 65 million

Knicks Receive:
Wall
Beal

Total: 66 million

Mills gets to keep his job because he convinces Dolan that he got 2 superstars for the team.

Washington has the same record we do. That won't make us better

I agree. But I think Dolan could be convinced it would make the Knicks better next season.

[HarthorneWingo]

Knicks Need To 'Show Progress' This Season For Steve Mills, Scott Perry To Keep Jobs
https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/256138/Knicks-Need-To-Show-Progress-This-Season-For-Steve-Mills-Scott-Perry-To-Keep-Jobs

Not sure how I feel about this...

I would love to lose out tbh. We get a top draft pick, and Mills will finally be fired.

However, key word is "progress". Something tells me that Mills will make a blockbuster trade for ok star(s). This will keep his job and the Knicks will be more competitive. So goodbye draft picks, and we will be back on the Isiah-esque path.

So basically, I don't think Pills will try to continue the tank even though it's the best long term option. We could blow up and trade Morris for a pick probably. But Dolan isn't going to buy that. He wants to see results now. Mills and Perry are going to try to make quick fix(s) to keep their jobs.

Yep... Dolan. He just needs to hire a good team for the Knicks like he did with the Rangers. Get some new, young, and creative blood in here. It doesn't have to be a former GM because those likely failed with their previous teams. For once, you are better off hiring young guys trying to make a name for themselves.

That appears to be the course we're on.

[HerSports85]

I expect the Knicks to make a trade for Wall + Beal (66 million) at the deadline

Knicks send:
3 1st round picks
Randle (18 million)
Bobby (15 million)
Morris (15 million)
Taj (9 million)
Payton or Ellington (8 million)

Total: 65 million

Knicks Receive:
Wall
Beal

Total: 66 million

Mills gets to keep his job because he convinces Dolan that he got 2 superstars for the team.

[GONYK]

I expect the Knicks to make a trade for Wall + Beal (66 million) at the deadline

Knicks send:
3 1st round picks
Randle (18 million)
Bobby (15 million)
Morris (15 million)
Taj (9 million)
Payton or Ellington (8 million)

Total: 65 million

Knicks Receive:
Wall
Beal

Total: 66 million

Mills gets to keep his job because he convinces Dolan that he got 2 superstars for the team.

Washington has the same record we do. That won't make us better

I agree. But I think Dolan could be convinced it would make the Knicks better next season.

Maybe.

I think the decision has already been made on Pills as well. The evaluative talk is empty, just like the evaluation period for Fiz is empty.

If MSG is leaking that they plan to pursue Masai and Presti, then I don't think Dolan will allow Abby big moves. He needs to sell them on as clean of a slate as possible.

He was told that the current roster was good enough.

Then again, maybe I'm expecting too much competence.

[Black and Blue]

Mills is just trying to buy himself more time

For his next move, next ploy.

I thought about that. "How can he expect to stay if he hired Perry and Fizdale, and either with Perry, constructed the roster TOGETHER, or let Perry do it, and together they both hired the coach?"

Because if you fire Fizdale, he's out. He's cleared out of the way, a body under the bus, and he buys time. But for what?

Well, to assign blame to someone else and get some chances to get Dolan alone, so he can spin his usual buddy buddy stuff, and over a few sessions put the blame on Perry.

And it's interesting that someone posted that Griffith wanted Alan Houston fired as part of his hire. It's because he didn't want a back channel mole in the org. So now, Mills is fending off Alan Houston.

GoT style, Mills will use Miller to stay his execution, but Houston will use the fact that Miller was part of "his team of guys" in Westchester to undermine Mills. So Mills will have to counter attack that, while they both work on their common enemy, Perry.

Dolan encourages this stuff, always having back channel guys, like Mills, Herb, Houston.

Hell, John Starks is probably a free lance spy for Dolan. The charity stuff etc is just a cover.

This web of people is really the problem. Not Mills or Houston or anyone individually. It's that Dolan wants to influence the team while keeping up the public persona that he is detached. It would be hardly the first time an owner pulled such a ploy, but it'll be super interesting to see how this power dynamic is ultimately replicated (because it ain't going anywhere) if Fizdale, Mills and Perry all go. Most obvious answer would be the promotion of Houston, or another familiar name we have seen somewhere in the past because Dolan values trust and good-ol-boy networks over talent.

The other problem is that money talks, and they'll find no shortage of coaches and management who want to work here under any conditions to make that money. The players, the organization learned this past summer, don't need the money...especially when they know it'll likely come at the detriment of their reputations.

It's an ugly situation that I think is a lot more engrained in this organization that anyone here wants to believe. Basically we are hoping and praying that a new President and GM come in that are magically able to straddle making sound financial decisions, sell to the players they are a shield between them and Dolan, all while ultimately doing Dolan's bidding. Not sure who could do that job well.

[HarthorneWingo]

Washington has the same record we do. That won't make us better

I agree. But I think Dolan could be convinced it would make the Knicks better next season.

Maybe.

I think the decision has already been made on Pills as well. The evaluative talk is empty, just like the evaluation period for Fiz is empty.

If MSG is leaking that they plan to pursue Masai and Presti, then I don't think Dolan will allow Abby big moves. He needs to sell them on as clean of a slate as possible.

He was told that the current roster was good enough.

Then again, maybe I'm expecting too much competence.

You are. Which leads me to my next question: Is Dolan getting any advice from anyone? I mean, he has to be, right? Even if it's Irv Azoff. Who's in Jim's ear about this?

[GONYK]

I agree. But I think Dolan could be convinced it would make the Knicks better next season.

Maybe.

I think the decision has already been made on Pills as well. The evaluative talk is empty, just like the evaluation period for Fiz is empty.

If MSG is leaking that they plan to pursue Masai and Presti, then I don't think Dolan will allow Abby big moves. He needs to sell them on as clean of a slate as possible.

He was told that the current roster was good enough.

Then again, maybe I'm expecting too much competence.

You are. Which leads me to my next question: Is Dolan getting any advice from anyone? I mean, he has to be, right? Even if it's Irv Azoff. Who's in Jim's ear about this?

My guess would be Adam Silver.