WOJ: Knicks president [Mills] angling for David Fizdale firing

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[F N 11]

Welp He can’t coach an unbalanced roster and the front office can’t put together a balanced one. This should be good.

So basically Mills and Perry felt Dolan wrath and Did a conference without Fiz knowing causing something.

If they are not competitive against the Mavs it’s a wrap.

[Vampirate]

well he didn't leave Toronto for washington so there is that but the point, and I think you understood it despite your response, was he wants to work in a larger basketball market. And even washington was enough of one to make him think

I also dont know his thoughts but Im echoing what Ive heard

Apparently his wife was from Washington so there's that.

I cannot tell you 'No, Masai has no interest in working for a bigger market' because maybe he does, i'm not Masai.

What I CAN tell you is if Masai legit had interest in going to Washington, it would be a reason other than being in a big basketball market.

At the end of the day though this will boil down to 'is Masai willing to work for Dolan, and if so on what terms'.


On another note you guys are also targeting Sam Presti apparently so i'm not sure which rumors to believe.

(on a side note going after Masai because you think Giannis will sign on your team because sounds very deluded if that's true imo)

but thats what we do

we hired Fizdale to help lure Durant
its never failed us before!

[NoLayupRule]

Welp He can’t coach an unbalanced roster and the front office can’t put together a balanced one. This should be good.

So basically Mills and Perry felt Dolan wrath and Did a conference without Fiz knowing causing something.

If they are not competitive against the Mavs it’s a wrap.

fair or not thats probably true

no way Dolan can sit in the stands, watch KP destroy us, and hear from the fans who smell blood in the water who are bound to chant for Fiz's head - and potentially dolan sucks and such as well

he won't be able to stomach that

[Jimmit79]

Welp He can’t coach an unbalanced roster and the front office can’t put together a balanced one. This should be good.

So basically Mills and Perry felt Dolan wrath and Did a conference without Fiz knowing causing something.

If they are not competitive against the Mavs it’s a wrap.

fair or not thats probably true

no way Dolan can sit in the stands, watch KP destroy us, and hear from the fans who smell blood in the water who are bound to chant for Fiz's head - and potentially dolan sucks and such as well

he won't be able to stomach that

I personally want all fans to chant to fire Dolan then he will banish all of them from msg hurting his pocket for good lol.

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[G_K_F]

Knicks may go after Presti via Bondy. Thoughts?

Overated league handed three top 10 players and he got only one finals appearance at best. Get Hinkie or someone from Spurs organization here.

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He's not overrated.

He is a GM in the smallest market in the league (someone correct me if I'm wrong, it's definitely one of the smallest though) and has done a great job considering how cheap the owners are.

Harden was only traded because ownership didn't want to him.

If it wasn't for the Thunder choke against the Warriors up 3-1 we would likely never have had Durant on the Warriors and Durant and Westbrook would still be together.

Presti has managed to make lemonade out of piss working for crap ownership which is why he would be perfect for our franchise.

[Synciere]

Knicks may go after Presti via Bondy. Thoughts?

Overated league handed three top 10 players and he got only one finals appearance at best. Get Hinkie or someone from Spurs organization here.

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He's not overrated.

He is a GM in the smallest market in the league (someone correct me if I'm wrong, it's definitely one of the smallest though) and has done a great job considering how cheap the owners are.

Harden was only traded because ownership didn't want to him.

If it wasn't for the Thunder choke against the Warriors up 3-1 we would likely never have had Durant on the Warriors and Durant and Westbrook would still be together.

Presti has managed to make lemonade out of piss working for crap ownership which is why he would be perfect for our franchise.

I agree that Presti is pretty accurately rated. I also think trading Harden will forever be one of the biggest mistakes he and that organization made. That said, can anyone name one good reason Presti would leave OKC for us?

[Synciere]

Welp He can’t coach an unbalanced roster and the front office can’t put together a balanced one. This should be good.

So basically Mills and Perry felt Dolan wrath and Did a conference without Fiz knowing causing something.

If they are not competitive against the Mavs it’s a wrap.

fair or not thats probably true

no way Dolan can sit in the stands, watch KP destroy us, and hear from the fans who smell blood in the water who are bound to chant for Fiz's head - and potentially dolan sucks and such as well

he won't be able to stomach that

Dolan has stomached much worse as owner of this franchise.

[dc]

Presti's big mistake was trading Jeff Green for Perkins (and then re-signing Perkins). He saw Green's rookie deal expiring soon and he basically played the same position as KD. Guys like Presti hate losing assets for nothing, so he pulled the trigger on Perkins to get something in return.

Problem is that Perkins wasn't the same after his knee injury and his relevance in the game was slipping as guys like Bynum and Howard were fading out of their primes. OKC using him against Miami in the Finals was terrible, as even the Heat couldn't believe they they chose to use him. He had no place in that series.

The other problem was that they re-signed Perkins, essentially meaning they'd have to pay the luxury tax to keep Harden. Of course ownership balked at that, so they basically traded Harden for a Kevin Martin poo poo platter. So while it was ownership's decision to not pay to keep Harden, Presti himself had a hand in it by trading for and then re-signing Perkins.

[G_K_F]

I laugh at people saying hire this coach and hire that coach after we fire Fizdale.

What decent coach with a decent reputation is going to risk his career to coach in NYC under Dolan?

Specifically, what coach is going to coach under Mills and Perry after the stunt they pulled on a guy they just hired less than 1 1/2 years ago? These dudes completely undermined Fizdale and the coaching job in general with that embarrassing clownshow of a press conference. Even if that was Dolan's decision, the fact remains that this management team has made themselves seem very distrusted and dishonorable and they are. They built an awful roster and 10 games into the dude's second season they hold an unprecedented post-game press conference while the coach is STILL IN THE LOCKER ROOM and has no idea that's going on. No decent coach who wants a future in this league should go work for Mills/Perry and Dolan.

[Jimmit79]

I laugh at people saying hire this coach and hire that coach after we fire Fizdale.

What decent coach with a decent reputation is going to risk his career to coach in NYC under Dolan?

Specifically, what coach is going to coach under Mills and Perry after the stunt they pulled on a guy they just hired less than 1 1/2 years ago? These dudes completely undermined Fizdale and the coaching job in general with that embarrassing clownshow of a press conference. Even if that was Dolan's decision, the fact remains that this management team has made themselves seem very distrusted and dishonorable and they are. They built an awful roster and 10 games into the dude's second season they hold an unprecedented post-game press conference while the coach is STILL IN THE LOCKER ROOM and has no idea that's going on. No decent coach who wants a future in this league should go work for Mills/Perry and Dolan.

Kurt Rambis is ready to be Dolans bitch for right price actually scratch that for any price lol.

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[HarthorneWingo]

Welp He can’t coach an unbalanced roster and the front office can’t put together a balanced one. This should be good.

So basically Mills and Perry felt Dolan wrath and Did a conference without Fiz knowing causing something.

If they are not competitive against the Mavs it’s a wrap.

Mills and Perry and both pussies on top of being incompetent. Fizdale is a good guy but just incompetent as a head coach.

[HarthorneWingo]

I laugh at people saying hire this coach and hire that coach after we fire Fizdale.

What decent coach with a decent reputation is going to risk his career to coach in NYC under Dolan?

Specifically, what coach is going to coach under Mills and Perry after the stunt they pulled on a guy they just hired less than 1 1/2 years ago? These dudes completely undermined Fizdale and the coaching job in general with that embarrassing clownshow of a press conference. Even if that was Dolan's decision, the fact remains that this management team has made themselves seem very distrusted and dishonorable and they are. They built an awful roster and 10 games into the dude's second season they hold an unprecedented post-game press conference while the coach is STILL IN THE LOCKER ROOM and has no idea that's going on. No decent coach who wants a future in this league should go work for Mills/Perry and Dolan.

Kurt Rambis is ready to be Dolans bitch for right price actually scratch that for any price lol.

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It's going to be whoever Adam Silver tells James Dolan it's going to be.

EDIT:

https://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/ny-david-fizdale-steve-mills-scott-perry-chicago-bulls-20191113-aozzy4kxv5hgbpcltjjxb2pv7a-story.html

Other names will surface if the jobs open. Trajan Langdon, the Pelicans’ GM who previously helped resuscitate the Nets as their assistant GM, is an up-and-comer. Kiki Vandeweghe, who works in the NBA office after serving in front-office roles with the Mavericks, Nuggets and Nets, would be interested in the Knicks’ gig, according to a source.

[Clyde_Style]

Oh I hear you. Loud and clear.

You just accurately described 20 years of MSG “culture” under Jim Dolan.

Well, you could give Fizdale the consideration of playing out his contract.

And what you will get in return is further confirmation of what is already known, i.e. HE IS NOT EVEN A COACH, He's a cheerleader.

So, yeah, the reputation of the franchise may be in tatters, but if you're going to clean it up then you better fess up and admit you hired a grifter and you won't do it again.

In fact, retaining Fizdale will send the message to the NBA community that ownership doesn't have the balls to eat crow and do the right thing. In that case, it will be a case of everybody except Dolan knowing Fizdale can't coach at all. How does that help send a message that we're a good organization?

The only message left is burn down the management structure and hire ONE GOOD LEADER and get out of the way. Everything else is just pretense at being professional when in fact it will merely prolong the unprofessionalism and bad juju.

They tried to sell us on this benevolent leader scam with PMFJB.

Hence my sig, which was Dolan’s response when asked if he would give over total control.

The Steve Mills problem is now revealing itself to the broader public that Phil did not have control and it’s safe to say that neither would Ujiri or whomever Dolan trots out next in the inexorable churn of stooges.

And that's why you'll know if you are right or wrong about the outcome if MU is offered a deal and he accepts it, because he is one of the only people in the league who could feasibly demand full autonomy and get it. And Dolan may go for it. Or not. But I don't see them landing MU without giving him the keys. Until then your concerns are totally warranted.

And Phil was Phil. I don't think he had any qualms about putting up a pretense to get his $50M either with either Dolan or the public. Phil was here for the big payday, not to roll up his sleeves.

[Clyde_Style]

Overated league handed three top 10 players and he got only one finals appearance at best. Get Hinkie or someone from Spurs organization here.

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He's not overrated.

He is a GM in the smallest market in the league (someone correct me if I'm wrong, it's definitely one of the smallest though) and has done a great job considering how cheap the owners are.

Harden was only traded because ownership didn't want to him.

If it wasn't for the Thunder choke against the Warriors up 3-1 we would likely never have had Durant on the Warriors and Durant and Westbrook would still be together.

Presti has managed to make lemonade out of piss working for crap ownership which is why he would be perfect for our franchise.

I agree that Presti is pretty accurately rated. I also think trading Harden will forever be one of the biggest mistakes he and that organization made. That said, can anyone name one good reason Presti would leave OKC for us?

Better restaurants

[BallSacBounce]

I laugh at people saying hire this coach and hire that coach after we fire Fizdale.

What decent coach with a decent reputation is going to risk his career to coach in NYC under Dolan?

Specifically, what coach is going to coach under Mills and Perry after the stunt they pulled on a guy they just hired less than 1 1/2 years ago? These dudes completely undermined Fizdale and the coaching job in general with that embarrassing clownshow of a press conference. Even if that was Dolan's decision, the fact remains that this management team has made themselves seem very distrusted and dishonorable and they are. They built an awful roster and 10 games into the dude's second season they hold an unprecedented post-game press conference while the coach is STILL IN THE LOCKER ROOM and has no idea that's going on. No decent coach who wants a future in this league should go work for Mills/Perry and Dolan.

Kurt Rambis is ready to be Dolans bitch for right price actually scratch that for any price lol.

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It's going to be whoever Adam Silver tells James Dolan it's going to be.

EDIT:

https://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/ny-david-fizdale-steve-mills-scott-perry-chicago-bulls-20191113-aozzy4kxv5hgbpcltjjxb2pv7a-story.html

Other names will surface if the jobs open. Trajan Langdon, the Pelicans’ GM who previously helped resuscitate the Nets as their assistant GM, is an up-and-comer. Kiki Vandeweghe, who works in the NBA office after serving in front-office roles with the Mavericks, Nuggets and Nets, would be interested in the Knicks’ gig, according to a source.

We are at about that point aren't we?
The Silver Intervention.

[Jimmit79]

I laugh at people saying hire this coach and hire that coach after we fire Fizdale.

What decent coach with a decent reputation is going to risk his career to coach in NYC under Dolan?

Specifically, what coach is going to coach under Mills and Perry after the stunt they pulled on a guy they just hired less than 1 1/2 years ago? These dudes completely undermined Fizdale and the coaching job in general with that embarrassing clownshow of a press conference. Even if that was Dolan's decision, the fact remains that this management team has made themselves seem very distrusted and dishonorable and they are. They built an awful roster and 10 games into the dude's second season they hold an unprecedented post-game press conference while the coach is STILL IN THE LOCKER ROOM and has no idea that's going on. No decent coach who wants a future in this league should go work for Mills/Perry and Dolan.

Kurt Rambis is ready to be Dolans bitch for right price actually scratch that for any price lol.

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It's going to be whoever Adam Silver tells James Dolan it's going to be.

EDIT:

https://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/ny-david-fizdale-steve-mills-scott-perry-chicago-bulls-20191113-aozzy4kxv5hgbpcltjjxb2pv7a-story.html

Other names will surface if the jobs open. Trajan Langdon, the Pelicans’ GM who previously helped resuscitate the Nets as their assistant GM, is an up-and-comer. Kiki Vandeweghe, who works in the NBA office after serving in front-office roles with the Mavericks, Nuggets and Nets, would be interested in the Knicks’ gig, according to a source.

I cringed when I read would be interested in knicks gig as in 5 year contract for two year job thinking.

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[B8RcDeMktfxC]

Kurt Rambis is ready to be Dolans bitch for right price actually scratch that for any price lol.

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It's going to be whoever Adam Silver tells James Dolan it's going to be.

EDIT:

https://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/ny-david-fizdale-steve-mills-scott-perry-chicago-bulls-20191113-aozzy4kxv5hgbpcltjjxb2pv7a-story.html

Other names will surface if the jobs open. Trajan Langdon, the Pelicans’ GM who previously helped resuscitate the Nets as their assistant GM, is an up-and-comer. Kiki Vandeweghe, who works in the NBA office after serving in front-office roles with the Mavericks, Nuggets and Nets, would be interested in the Knicks’ gig, according to a source.

We are at about that point aren't we?
The Silver Intervention.

The Silver Intervention: "You will take Yao Ming as president of basketball operations."

[B8RcDeMktfxC]

It's going to be whoever Adam Silver tells James Dolan it's going to be.

EDIT:

https://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/ny-david-fizdale-steve-mills-scott-perry-chicago-bulls-20191113-aozzy4kxv5hgbpcltjjxb2pv7a-story.html

We are at about that point aren't we?
The Silver Intervention.

The Silver Intervention: "You will take Yao Ming as president of basketball operations."

Clarifying: there is no Silver intervention .. the Pills built an indestructible first-all-black-FO+coach wall against interventions other than by the owner for lack of results.

[Jimmit79]

Silver probably only takes measure to send RJ back to Canada face it guys there are no savior's in this world.

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