John Wall OUT for 12 months; Ruptured Achilles

Dat2U · Post #281 » by **Dat2U** » Thu Nov 14, 2019 12:30 pm

Wall looks like he'll be ready in another 2-4 weeks, not months lol.

Post #282 » by **nate33** » Thu Nov 14, 2019 2:34 pm

tontoz wrote:Wall really needs to cut down on those out of control drives when he frequently ends up on the ground. I have felt for years that he should watch tape of Tony Parker. Parker would use his speed to get into the lane but he was a master at keeping his pivot foot down inside.

Our resident biomechanics expert, wizardynasty, would be happy to see that Wall landed backwards after rotating 180 degrees in the air.

Post #283 » by **nate33** » Thu Nov 14, 2019 2:35 pm

Dat2U wrote:Wall looks like he'll be ready in another 2-4 weeks, not months lol.

I'm starting to understand why the league ruled that we don't get an injury exception. Wall looks like he can play right now.

Another whole season? GTFO of here.

DCZards · Post #284 » by **DCZards** » Thu Nov 14, 2019 4:01 pm

I'm not convinced these videos show that Wall is ready to play...at least not anytime soon. During games, there's a lot of stopping, turning, cutting, moving at top speed, etc. that put a strain on the body (and achilles) than we're seeing during these Wall workouts and the somewhat careful and slow motion moves on these videos.

payitforward · Post #285 » by **payitforward** » Thu Nov 14, 2019 4:04 pm

I agree -- no way to know.

Still, the better he's doing the happier we all are.

Post #286 » by **nate33** » Thu Nov 14, 2019 4:23 pm

DCZards wrote:I'm not convinced that these videos show that Wall is ready to play...at least anytime soon. That's a lot more stopping, turning, cutting, moving at top speed, etc. that put a strain on the body (and achilles) than we're seeing during these Wall workouts and the somewhat slow motion moves we're seeing on these videos.

If you can dunk and land on the Achilles, it's close to being ready. Maybe a few more weeks, maybe a couple more months, but if they hold him out past the beginning of February, they are just being absurdly cautious.

If this was the 7th game of a playoff series, Wall could play right now.

Wizardspride · Post #287 » by **Wizardspride** » Thu Nov 14, 2019 4:37 pm

Wall didn't actually rupture (complete tear) his achillies.

Probably why I have some hopes for his recovery.

DCZards · Post #288 » by **DCZards** » Thu Nov 14, 2019 5:20 pm

nate33 wrote:
DCZards wrote:I'm not convinced that these videos show that Wall is ready to play...at least anytime soon. That's a lot more stopping, turning, cutting, moving at top speed, etc. that put a strain on the body (and achilles) than we're seeing during these Wall workouts and the somewhat slow motion moves we're seeing on these videos.

If you can dunk and land on the Achilles, it's close to being ready. Maybe a few more weeks, maybe a couple more months, but if they hold him out past the beginning of February, they are just being absurdly cautious.

If this was the 7th game of a playoff series, Wall could play right now.

Not disagreeing that Wall could be ready to play in the next couple of months or by February. But I do disagree that these videos somehow prove he could play right now...7th game or not.

Again, there's a huge difference between throwing down a casual dunk in a solo workout--where you can decide how you want to land--and playing at full speed against physical and big bodies.

DCZards · Post #289 » by **DCZards** » Thu Nov 14, 2019 6:01 pm

For the record, I'm alright with the Zards keeping Wall out for the entire season...even if it is being "absurdly cautious." A lot of folks thought the Nats were being overly cautious when they shut down Strasburg during the 2011 playoffs, but it looks like it was the right and smart thing to do.

queridiculo · Post #290 » by **queridiculo** » Thu Nov 14, 2019 6:10 pm

Wizardspride wrote:Wall didn't actually rupture (complete tear) his achillies.

Probably why I have some hopes for his recovery.

For all intends and purposes he had a full tear when he slipped and fell in his own home after the first surgery.

His achilles was only held together by a thread was the quote from that 2nd incident post surgery.

dckingsfan · Post #291 » by **dckingsfan** » Thu Nov 14, 2019 6:12 pm

What is the potential upside of bringing him back this season? What is the potential downside of bringing him back this season.

Pretty sure that is the debate going on in the organization?

Post #292 » by **nate33** » Thu Nov 14, 2019 6:22 pm

dckingsfan wrote:What is the potential upside of bringing him back this season? What is the potential downside of bringing him back this season.

Pretty sure that is the debate going on in the organization?

I really think it will help Wall and the team for Wall to get some reps this season with his new teammates and the new offensive and defensive systems. Obviously, we are in tank mode so it's not really about getting wins, but I would like the team to develop some chemistry now so that they're ready to go next year.

I'd really like to see Wall play March and April. But him on a minutes restriction if necessary and keep him out of back-to-backs. But get him some reps.

It would also be a nice morale boost if the Wizards could play something approaching .500 ball over the last 2 months. Morale matters.

dckingsfan · Post #293 » by **dckingsfan** » Thu Nov 14, 2019 6:25 pm

nate33 wrote:
dckingsfan wrote:What is the potential upside of bringing him back this season? What is the potential downside of bringing him back this season.

Pretty sure that is the debate going on in the organization?

I really think it will help Wall and the team for Wall to get some reps this season with his new teammates and the new offensive and defensive systems. Obviously, we are in tank mode so it's not really about getting wins, but I would like the team to develop some chemistry now so that they're ready to go next year.

I'd really like to see Wall play March and April. But him on a minutes restriction if necessary and keep him out of back-to-backs. But get him some reps.

It would also be a nice morale boost if the Wizards could play something approaching .500 ball over the last 2 months. Morale matters.

And the downside? I guess that would be addressed by the medical staff...

Post #294 » by **nate33** » Thu Nov 14, 2019 6:30 pm

dckingsfan wrote:
nate33 wrote:
dckingsfan wrote:What is the potential upside of bringing him back this season? What is the potential downside of bringing him back this season.

Pretty sure that is the debate going on in the organization?

I really think it will help Wall and the team for Wall to get some reps this season with his new teammates and the new offensive and defensive systems. Obviously, we are in tank mode so it's not really about getting wins, but I would like the team to develop some chemistry now so that they're ready to go next year.

I'd really like to see Wall play March and April. But him on a minutes restriction if necessary and keep him out of back-to-backs. But get him some reps.

It would also be a nice morale boost if the Wizards could play something approaching .500 ball over the last 2 months. Morale matters.

And the downside? I guess that would be addressed by the medical staff...

Obviously, if the risk of injury significant, then he shouldn't play.

closg00 · Post #295 » by **closg00** » Thu Nov 14, 2019 6:42 pm

dckingsfan wrote:What is the potential upside of bringing him back this season? What is the potential downside of bringing him back this season.

Pretty sure that is the debate going on in the organization?

NO WAY, absolutely not.

dckingsfan · Post #296 » by **dckingsfan** » Thu Nov 14, 2019 6:48 pm

closg00 wrote:
dckingsfan wrote:What is the potential upside of bringing him back this season? What is the potential downside of bringing him back this season.

Pretty sure that is the debate going on in the organization?

NO WAY, absolutely not.

- so they aren't having that conversation?

payitforward · Post #297 » by **payitforward** » Thu Nov 14, 2019 7:16 pm

Absolutely not -- mum's the word!!

TheBabyMaker · Post #298 » by **TheBabyMaker** » Thu Nov 14, 2019 8:34 pm

No Wall this year (2019), please maybe April or after ASB. Let them not be idiots and **** this up just because he feels good.

Illmatic12 · Post #299 » by **Illmatic12** » Thu Nov 14, 2019 9:18 pm

Of course Wall could play right now . Come on people. Granted I’m not saying he should play today , but physically there is likely nothing preventing him from doing so at this point in his recovery. It’s an Achilles .. some fans are acting like he injured his spinal cord or something..

JJ Barea tore his Achilles (full rupture) and had surgery almost 1 month to the day before Wall’s

https://www.mavs.com/j-j-barea-underwent-surgery-monday-morning-to-repair-his-ruptured-achilles-tendon/

He was already back with the Mavs by training camp and is now playing the season.

Can’t wrap my mind around how it would make sense to hold a player out for the entire season if he’s healthy + fit enough to play. In that case, why not hold John out for the rest of his career then? Lol. The man is a professional basketball player , he needs to be playing basketball.

Illmatic12 · Post #300 » by **Illmatic12** » Thu Nov 14, 2019 9:26 pm

queridiculo wrote:
Wizardspride wrote:Wall didn't actually rupture (complete tear) his achillies.

Probably why I have some hopes for his recovery.

For all intends and purposes he had a full tear when he slipped and fell in his own home after the first surgery.

His achilles was only held together by a thread was the quote from that 2nd incident post surgery.

I don’t think that’s the case. John has said the surgeons only needed to make a small incision to reattach the torn fibers, in contrast to what he observed with Demarcus Cousins. If it had been a full rupture the surgical procedure would have been different , they would have sliced all the way down to open up his ankle.

Assuming Wall is physically cleared to play soon , I only see one downside of him playing - Washington cannot collect on the insurance policy for Wall’s ‘19-20 salary unless he misses 41 or more games. If that wasn’t a factor I bet they would have announced his return date already.