Political Roundtable Part XXVII

[daoneandonly]

A deflection. PP isn't even a rounding error when compared to costs of incarceration. You happily spend other people's money on non beneficial projects.

And all you do is make excuse after excuse. None of the things mentioned benefit anyone. You can talk costs all you want, say PP only costs each taxpayer 10 cents, which is doesnt. I could use that 10 cents to buy an airhead candy from Party City, and I'd much rather do so than fund them. They serve no purpose to my life, nor does doubling the min wage, student debt forgiveness, etc.

But keep defending the known gateway drugs, and sign off on cocaine, heroin, meth while you're at it. Ignoring the fact that so many folks on marjuiana related offenses have already been released

Yep - you are a spend and not taxer for programs that aren't working. But instead of digging into what should be terminated - you redouble your defenses without doing the research.

You keep talking as if you're an expert and just your words of what's working and what's not is pure truth, its not. Its an opinion.

[I_Like_Dirt]

As someone who claims to have Christian values you use every opportunity to not apply what you preach.

Where have I preached it? This is the argument the left continues to peddle. I am a believer and saved by His grace yes, but that has nothing to do with politics nor this forum.

This is actually pretty solid trolling.

[daoneandonly]

As someone who claims to have Christian values you use every opportunity to not apply what you preach.

Where have I preached it? This is the argument the left continues to peddle. I am a believer and saved by His grace yes, but that has nothing to do with politics nor this forum.

This is actually pretty solid trolling.

Exactly how? Elaborate on that because you and I seem to have a vast different understanding of what trolling means

[I_Like_Dirt]

Exactly how? Elaborate on that because you and I seem to have a vast different understanding of what trolling means

He says you go to great lengths to avoid having to apply the teachings of Christ. You follow it up by stating totally matter of fact that the teachings of Christ don't apply to politics or this forum doing basically exactly what he's claiming you're doing, denying it all the while and acting confused about it.

[dckingsfan]

And all you do is make excuse after excuse. None of the things mentioned benefit anyone. You can talk costs all you want, say PP only costs each taxpayer 10 cents, which is doesnt. I could use that 10 cents to buy an airhead candy from Party City, and I'd much rather do so than fund them. They serve no purpose to my life, nor does doubling the min wage, student debt forgiveness, etc.

But keep defending the known gateway drugs, and sign off on cocaine, heroin, meth while you're at it. Ignoring the fact that so many folks on marjuiana related offenses have already been released

Yep - you are a spend and not taxer for programs that aren't working. But instead of digging into what should be terminated - you redouble your defenses without doing the research.

You keep talking as if you're an expert and just your words of what's working and what's not is pure truth, its not. Its an opinion.

Deflection. Fact - incarcerating people is very expensive. And you are all for incarcerating more. Fact, that takes tax payer money. You are all for spending others money.

[daoneandonly]

Exactly how? Elaborate on that because you and I seem to have a vast different understanding of what trolling means

He says you go to great lengths to avoid having to apply the teachings of Christ. You follow it up by stating totally matter of fact that the teachings of Christ don't apply to politics or this forum doing basically exactly what he's claiming you're doing, denying it all the while and acting confused about it.

What a bunch of malarkey, I said the issue in question that I was talk about isnt a Christian issue, its a moral human rights one. Thats all the argument is for it, dont push your religious beliefs on me. But then when it comes to "much si given much is required, that religious belief the left likes to use and parlay. But funny how you ignore your so called beliefs as well, the so called practicing Catholic who's pro choice, spitting in the face of everything that faith stands for You do know that there are several verses splattered in the word about working hard and striving for excellence, yet no lets double the minimum wage and provide hand outs to certain tiers at the expense of others and encourage/reward complacency. You can say all you want about me and my faith, but your Golden Corral buffet style approach of picking only what you want is just as bad.

[daoneandonly]

Yep - you are a spend and not taxer for programs that aren't working. But instead of digging into what should be terminated - you redouble your defenses without doing the research.

You keep talking as if you're an expert and just your words of what's working and what's not is pure truth, its not. Its an opinion.

Deflection. Fact - incarcerating people is very expensive. And you are all for incarcerating more. Fact, that takes tax payer money. You are all for spending others money.

Fact and Logic - more criminals on the street means more crimes and a less safe community for us, you know the reason the prison system was create din the first place. But we know why you stand where you do, you do polling right, and its safe to say 95.43% of incarcerated people lean left.

[dckingsfan]

You keep talking as if you're an expert and just your words of what's working and what's not is pure truth, its not. Its an opinion.

Deflection. Fact - incarcerating people is very expensive. And you are all for incarcerating more. Fact, that takes tax payer money. You are all for spending others money.

Fact and Logic - more criminals on the street means more crimes and a less safe community for us, you know the reason the prison system was create din the first place. But we know why you stand where you do, you do polling right, and its safe to say 95.43% of incarcerated people lean left.

Incorrect, deflection again. If that was the case places like the Netherlands would have a higher crime rate. This is where you actually have to do research rather than falling back on "it's obvious" (see previous discussion on the world is flat). Not incarcerating marijuana users would have led to a long-term lowering of crime as you aren't mixing professional criminals with recreational drug users.

BTW, same thing would happen if we were to start incarcerating beer drinkers. Pretty soon those beer drinkers crime rate would go through the roof after releasing them from jail.

[Ruzious]

99% plus people would like it if there were no abortions - be they pro-life or pro-choice. The question is only... should the mother have the choice. I think that fact gets lost in these discussions. It's the choice. As far as I know, neither Jesus or anyone else in the... good old days - voiced an opinion on that - medical science being what it was. Of course, people will interpret what he said to whatever way makes them feel good. And that folks - thank you to Bruce Hornsby again - is just the way it is.

[pancakes3]

ignore function working great! no complaints here. robust discussion, and definitely no low-iq schtick.

[gtn130]

This is actually pretty solid trolling.

This made me wonder if daoneandonly is actually just trolling and not nearly as dumb as he purports to be in this thread. I took a look at the Mavs board, and this is the first daoneandonly post I found:

Who are they? Let's say your top 3 guys you wish the team would trade and why...

For me:

1. Tim Hardaway Jr - not much needs to be said here. The guy is awful, a chucker, a piss poor defender, and way overpaid

2. Dwight Powell - he's a decent roll man and bench guy, but should not be anywhere near the starting lineup and just has too many holes in his game. We all know why he was extended, it was Cuban and Nelson's save face attempt to try and prove they didnt lose the Rondo trade, they just cant admit it

3. Jalen Brunson - more so because he may be a best trade asset (sad as that is) and because he doesnt fit well with any of our guards. Cant defend so he's not a fit with Luka or Seth, and he cant shoot very well so he's not a fit with Delon either.

Honorable mention: Pinkyring, in an ideal world we trade him off to the Wizards board. he's a proud shoplifter who thinks he deserves what he steals, so good fit in a area where accountability and earning your stripes means bumpkis

He is...probably not trolling.

Daoneandonly, buddy, I try really hard to respect your humanity, and I know you've been through some recent health issues and all, but man, you gotta post better.

[daoneandonly]

Deflection. Fact - incarcerating people is very expensive. And you are all for incarcerating more. Fact, that takes tax payer money. You are all for spending others money.

Fact and Logic - more criminals on the street means more crimes and a less safe community for us, you know the reason the prison system was create din the first place. But we know why you stand where you do, you do polling right, and its safe to say 95.43% of incarcerated people lean left.

Incorrect, deflection again. If that was the case places like the Netherlands would have a higher crime rate. This is where you actually have to do research rather than falling back on "it's obvious" (see previous discussion on the world is flat). Not incarcerating marijuana users would have led to a long-term lowering of crime as you aren't mixing professional criminals with recreational drug users.

BTW, same thing would happen if we were to start incarcerating beer drinkers. Pretty soon those beer drinkers crime rate would go through the roof after releasing them from jail.

How many pot dealers/smokers have already been released? Its becoming legal now right? So you keep talking about this and refusing to comment on murderers, rapists, assault & battery, thieves, can you at least agree they deserve to be locked up?

[daoneandonly]

ignore function working great! no complaints here. robust discussion, and definitely no low-iq schtick.

I'll try it you as well, win win

[daoneandonly]

This is actually pretty solid trolling.

This made me wonder if daoneandonly is actually just trolling and not nearly as dumb as he purports to be in this thread. I took a look at the Mavs board, and this is the first daoneandonly post I found:

Who are they? Let's say your top 3 guys you wish the team would trade and why...

For me:

1. Tim Hardaway Jr - not much needs to be said here. The guy is awful, a chucker, a piss poor defender, and way overpaid

2. Dwight Powell - he's a decent roll man and bench guy, but should not be anywhere near the starting lineup and just has too many holes in his game. We all know why he was extended, it was Cuban and Nelson's save face attempt to try and prove they didnt lose the Rondo trade, they just cant admit it

3. Jalen Brunson - more so because he may be a best trade asset (sad as that is) and because he doesnt fit well with any of our guards. Cant defend so he's not a fit with Luka or Seth, and he cant shoot very well so he's not a fit with Delon either.

Honorable mention: Pinkyring, in an ideal world we trade him off to the Wizards board. he's a proud shoplifter who thinks he deserves what he steals, so good fit in a area where accountability and earning your stripes means bumpkis

He is...probably not trolling.

Daoneandonly, buddy, I try really hard to respect your humanity, and I know you've been through some recent health issues and all, but man, you gotta post better.

I get it, but what I said about the poster is true, he gladly boasts about not paying for items at self checkouts because in his words, if he has to do the work of scanning the items, he should get some freebies. Freebies is the progressives favorite word.

But thanks for keeping it respectful, i know we likely don't agree on one thing and thats cool, at least you, doc, and the mods can keep it civil.

I'll do better in taking a breath & pausing before i respond to the others in the future

[pancakes3]

ignore function working great! no complaints here. robust discussion, and definitely no low-iq schtick.

I'll try it you as well, win win

i was being sarcastic. you still post dumb content, and it's not ignorable. please stop posting here. it's not about your politics. it's about you being profoundly ignorant.

[JWizmentality]

Another Trump associate going to jail. Witch Hunt!! May that POS Roger Stone rot in prison.

[dckingsfan]

Fact and Logic - more criminals on the street means more crimes and a less safe community for us, you know the reason the prison system was create din the first place. But we know why you stand where you do, you do polling right, and its safe to say 95.43% of incarcerated people lean left.

Incorrect, deflection again. If that was the case places like the Netherlands would have a higher crime rate. This is where you actually have to do research rather than falling back on "it's obvious" (see previous discussion on the world is flat). Not incarcerating marijuana users would have led to a long-term lowering of crime as you aren't mixing professional criminals with recreational drug users.

BTW, same thing would happen if we were to start incarcerating beer drinkers. Pretty soon those beer drinkers crime rate would go through the roof after releasing them from jail.

How many pot dealers/smokers have already been released? Its becoming legal now right? So you keep talking about this and refusing to comment on murderers, rapists, assault & battery, thieves, can you at least agree they deserve to be locked up?

Research is your friend. A very small percentage have been released. Too make it easy, you don't have to do the research - just look at the pictures. In the last figure - guess when stupid on crime and drugs started.

[daoneandonly]

Incorrect, deflection again. If that was the case places like the Netherlands would have a higher crime rate. This is where you actually have to do research rather than falling back on "it's obvious" (see previous discussion on the world is flat). Not incarcerating marijuana users would have led to a long-term lowering of crime as you aren't mixing professional criminals with recreational drug users.

BTW, same thing would happen if we were to start incarcerating beer drinkers. Pretty soon those beer drinkers crime rate would go through the roof after releasing them from jail.

How many pot dealers/smokers have already been released? Its becoming legal now right? So you keep talking about this and refusing to comment on murderers, rapists, assault & battery, thieves, can you at least agree they deserve to be locked up?

Research is your friend. A very small percentage have been released. Too make it easy, you don't have to do the research - just look at the pictures. In the last figure - guess when stupid on crime and drugs started.

So violent, property, and public order crimes far outweigh drug related ones. So again, what about those? Let them free too? No consequences for them?

[montestewart]

Da1 is like a child prodigy chess master, showing up and playing 12 matches at once against Grunfeldian adults, and rather than trying to blow by Paul Lynde ("Not with that suit"), he just isos Charlie Weaver again and again.

In the age of endless information, disinformation is queen. A great philosopher once said, "When there's no more room in hell, the dead will walk the Earth." Malarky, now there's a word that needs to be used more.

[dckingsfan]

So violent, property, and public order crimes far outweigh drug related ones. So again, what about those? Let them free too? No consequences for them?

We should have a nuanced approach. I don't think anyone (maybe Zonk) has advocated letting those that commit violent crimes go free. But our prison industrial complex is waaaaaaay out of control.

Did you not see how many are locked up without every being charged? Other countries have done a much better job of rehabilitation as well.

You start with an immediate release of anyone charged with a drug related offense. No reason to use our valuable tax dollars on that.

Or is your argument just to keep the status quo? If your answer is just... we whatabout, we will never fix the problems with our system(s). But, I am guessing you are all for that since I have never seen a proposal on fixing anything other than incarcerating those associated with abortion.