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pepe1991 wrote:Bogdan Bogdanovic should be Magic trade target.
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PrimeThyme wrote:Personally, I can say with 100% confidence that SGA should have been the pick over Bamba. He checked every box. I admittedly didn't think he would be this good this early, but he was a player I wanted badly.
Ducklett wrote:PrimeThyme wrote:Personally, I can say with 100% confidence that SGA should have been the pick over Bamba. He checked every box. I admittedly didn't think he would be this good this early, but he was a player I wanted badly.
Going to use the Oladipo logic here. I don't think he would be what he is right now if he was on the Magic. Look at what we do with our rookies on offense: camp the corner and shoot the 3. SGA wouldn't be used any differently.
That said, I agree with you in hindsight. SGA is really good.
NavalAviator94 wrote:Ducklett wrote:PrimeThyme wrote:Personally, I can say with 100% confidence that SGA should have been the pick over Bamba. He checked every box. I admittedly didn't think he would be this good this early, but he was a player I wanted badly.
Going to use the Oladipo logic here. I don't think he would be what he is right now if he was on the Magic. Look at what we do with our rookies on offense: camp the corner and shoot the 3. SGA wouldn't be used any differently.
That said, I agree with you in hindsight. SGA is really good.
I think Oladipo is a product of getting traded twice. He worked his ass off to make that jump in Indy.
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Knightro wrote:
Xatticus wrote:ezzzp wrote:Knightro wrote:
For the record, there's nothing that makes this "publicly available" information actually factual.
We *think* that it's the case, but at the end of the day it's still a rumor. Weltman and Hammond certainly didn't confirm it and no one on this board actually had access to the Magic's draft board as you've repeatedly said.
And if that rumor actually *is* true and Graham was the guy that the Magic really wanted above all else, then shame on the front office for not doing everything they could do to ensure they got the guy they really wanted.
If that rumor is true, then it the logic is that they likely did pursue trades.
It takes two teams to make a trade. Just because the Magic wanted to, doesn't mean that the other team has to...and to push it is exactly how terrible lopsided trades happen...see the Elfrid Payton draft trade for how that type of desperate negotiation works.
I don't know if the Graham rumor is true or not. I don't really care. I don't know why you would promise someone that you are going to draft them in the second round, especially a senior. It's not like he is going to withdraw from the draft if he doesn't get a promise. But you can't really argue that the pick wasn't available given that Charlotte acquired it via trade.
It's really obvious to me that our front office doesn't value second-round talent given how they have punted and dumped second-round picks. We had another pick just a few spots later that we punted for a future pick before dumping that future pick.
MagicMatic wrote:ezzzp wrote:MagicMatic wrote:
Nor do I claim to know exactly what the FO is planning. It just appears they lack one entirely.
Of course it takes two teams to make a trade. You make it sound like these 2nd round transactions are completely impossible to pull off. The argument is that they haven’t made moves in the draft other than folding the pick, trading it away multiple years down the road, or making a BPA selection based on length. That’s the criticism being made when Orlando clearly lacks talent in specific areas.
This is splitting hairs at this point. However, the rumors of DeRozen interest appears like desperation for failing to construct a balanced roster. They wouldn’t have to make a desperation move if they just made better selections, instead of building a roster of of overlapping skill sets.
They have a plan, its pretty clear...you just refuse to accept it. I have shown it to you numerous times and you still won't accept it despite it playing out exactly how I've laid it out for you since early last summer.
Uh, they have made moves in the draft. They traded and maneuvered picks to maintain them as assets until they found a way to convert them into something real...Markelle Fultz. Just because some only see the video game version of "moves," doesn't mean that the FO isn't making very savvy asset maneuvers.
That they are scouring the league for a trade is not surprising at all, and its definitely not a sign of desperation. Its pretty hilarious that you are trying to spin it as that when I've told you a 1000 times since the summer that would be their strategy. It looked pretty clear to me that the FO saw the obvious options in free agency: that a trade would give them a way better long term solution than any band aid fix they could acquire with the MLE.
What’s that? Keep Hennigans roster that got him fired, sans Elfrid Payton, at all costs and continue to find the second coming of Giannis based on drafting length metrics? I guess that’s a plan.
I think you are confused about the term IN the draft. They haven’t made moves IN the draft. You keep claiming the Fultz trade. That’s not being aggressive during the draft, which was the whole argument. Say what you want about the EP trade IN the draft, Hennigan got his guy that he believed in and was willing to fall on the sword for him.
Why does making minor 2nd round draft moves/selections come off as “video game” logic to you? Is that just another way of dodging the fact they are never aggressive IN drafts at all? Being mad we didn’t move up to get Doncic is video game logic. Talking about 2nd round moves isn’t.
Yeah, I’m not talking about “last summer” in my statement. I’m talking about since they’ve taken control. You know, “evaluation” year and all. Yeah, of course they were going to make trades since the summer... None of the moves they’ve made have addressed any issues whatsoever outside of acquiring Fultz for pennies on the dollar. I concede that was a decent move, but it wasn’t made during the draft.
