Trade Ideas Thread, 2019-20

[SmartWentCrazy]

Anybody think we might sign Horford when he gets bought out? Another veteran big would be nice.

Was thinking we could combine that with maybe adding another low level talent to be our backup PG instead of Wanamaker. Maybe Ben Simmons?

[Joshyjess]

Anybody think we might sign Horford when he gets bought out? Another veteran big would be nice.

Was thinking we could combine that with maybe adding another low level talent to be our backup PG instead of Wanamaker. Maybe Ben Simmons?

Simmons? I don't know, maybe he's worth a late 2nd round pick - maybe.

[Fencer reregistered]

Wendell Carter is an excellent player the Celtics could use possibly trading Grant Williams, Poirier, Ojeleye and a draft pick. This would provide an opportunity for Langford to play and give the Celtics more size against Philadelphia and other big teams.

Why would the Bulls trade him?

[steefP2]

Wendell Carter is an excellent player the Celtics could use possibly trading Grant Williams, Poirier, Ojeleye and a draft pick. This would provide an opportunity for Langford to play and give the Celtics more size against Philadelphia and other big teams.

Why would the Bulls trade him?

And even if they would want to trade him, he's a legit good young player on a rookie contract. That crap offer isn't going to get it a done unless you're offering a high draft pick. Which is probably not worth it for us.

[Fencer reregistered]

Wendell Carter is an excellent player the Celtics could use possibly trading Grant Williams, Poirier, Ojeleye and a draft pick. This would provide an opportunity for Langford to play and give the Celtics more size against Philadelphia and other big teams.

Why would the Bulls trade him?

And even if they would want to trade him, he's a legit good young player on a rookie contract. That crap offer isn't going to get it a done unless you're offering a high draft pick. Which is probably not worth it for us.

Similarly, JJJ seems too good for us to be able to get from Memphis, even if we offer them their pick back.

[steefP2]

Why would the Bulls trade him?

And even if they would want to trade him, he's a legit good young player on a rookie contract. That crap offer isn't going to get it a done unless you're offering a high draft pick. Which is probably not worth it for us.

Similarly, JJJ seems too good for us to be able to get from Memphis, even if we offer them their pick back.

Yeah exactly. There's a number of Centers i'd like on this team but their teams either aren't interested in trading them/the price is too high or salary matching is impossible without including Smart which none of these centers are worth. I'd give my right arm to have Bam Adebayo on this team but it's not gonna happen. I'd love to have Derrick Favors too but dude makes too much money right now.
I'd love to sign him for the mle or whatever the 9,8 mil exception is next year but idk if that's realistic either.

Besides all these unlikely/impossible targets there aren't that many guys that'll be an upgrade. The best chance for the Celtics to have an above average starting center is Robert William's development. That's gonna take a year or 2. Now he's been better then i expected so he might progress a bit faster. He could be good enough by the playoffs maybe but that's honestly a long shot. I do expect him to be a quality starter next year.

But to get a player that's better then Theis/Williams AND fits our system, just isn't very realistic without giving up significant assets.

So if that scenario isn't gonna happen, we need to reevaluate. What do we need then ? Basically a defensive bruiser. A big strong rebounding center that won't let Embiid bully him. We can get that maybe, or maybe Kanter will be good enough in these matchups.

But even then i'm not convinced that that's such a big need. Yes we need better rebounding but one player is unlikely to fix that, especially if that player only plays like 12-15 min a game. Do we need an Embiid defender ? Maybe not, Sixers offense is currently rated 21st. Im fine with Embiid post ups. It's slow, turnover prone offense. Yes it might look bad when our dudes get abused in the post and it looks like an efficient stat line but honestly not convinced that's gonna win them games against us. Primary concern is scoring against the Sixers' length and no center is gonna help there.

The other big good centers don't matter as much. They all play in the west like KAT, Jokic and AD or are on non relevant teams like the Pistons.

[sam_I_am]

And even if they would want to trade him, he's a legit good young player on a rookie contract. That crap offer isn't going to get it a done unless you're offering a high draft pick. Which is probably not worth it for us.

Similarly, JJJ seems too good for us to be able to get from Memphis, even if we offer them their pick back.

Yeah exactly. There's a number of Centers i'd like on this team but their teams either aren't interested in trading them/the price is too high or salary matching is impossible without including Smart which none of these centers are worth. I'd give my right arm to have Bam Adebayo on this team but it's not gonna happen. I'd love to have Derrick Favors too but dude makes too much money right now.
I'd love to sign him for the mle or whatever the 9,8 mil exception is next year but idk if that's realistic either.

Besides all these unlikely/impossible targets there aren't that many guys that'll be an upgrade. The best chance for the Celtics to have an above average starting center is Robert William's development. That's gonna take a year or 2. Now he's been better then i expected so he might progress a bit faster. He could be good enough by the playoffs maybe but that's honestly a long shot. I do expect him to be a quality starter next year.

But to get a player that's better then Theis/Williams AND fits our system, just isn't very realistic without giving up significant assets.

So if that scenario isn't gonna happen, we need to reevaluate. What do we need then ? Basically a defensive bruiser. A big strong rebounding center that won't let Embiid bully him. We can get that maybe, or maybe Kanter will be good enough in these matchups.

But even then i'm not convinced that that's such a big need. Yes we need better rebounding but one player is unlikely to fix that, especially if that player only plays like 12-15 min a game. Do we need an Embiid defender ? Maybe not, Sixers offense is currently rated 21st. Im fine with Embiid post ups. It's slow, turnover prone offense. Yes it might look bad when our dudes get abused in the post and it looks like an efficient stat line but honestly not convinced that's gonna win them games against us. Primary concern is scoring against the Sixers' length and no center is gonna help there.

The other big good centers don't matter as much. They all play in the west like KAT, Jokic and AD or are on non relevant teams like the Pistons.

We don’t need an upgrade at center. Our center by committee is fine.

Where we need to upgrade is PF. We need more size there. A 6-10 floor stretcher and versatile defender like Jonas Jerebko to come off bench but who is an upgrade from Semi offensively with more athleticism/length/shot blocking.

Don’t think we’ll see that until Memphis pick used.

[zoyathedestroya]

I think it boils down to whether or not we think we have our closing "center" for the playoffs. We're already sure that 4 among Kemba/Smart/Brown/Tatum/Hayward will all be there in the last five minutes of halves of every playoff game. Assuming health of course. So who plays the 5 in those situations? If we are confident that we can get away with Theis/Williamses/Kanter, then there's no reason to upgrade.

The question about means and target worthiness is a valid one. The offseason didn't set us up for a huge midseason trade unless it's for an All-NBA talent for whom we're willing to give up core player(s).

[Dannyboy36]

Why would the Bulls trade him?

And even if they would want to trade him, he's a legit good young player on a rookie contract. That crap offer isn't going to get it a done unless you're offering a high draft pick. Which is probably not worth it for us.

Similarly, JJJ seems too good for us to be able to get from Memphis, even if we offer them their pick back.

I check in on the Grizzlies to look at JJJ. I’ve been happy to see he hasn’t played that great yet. How quick and if he gets his game going is so big for the pick.

[CelticFaninLBC]

Unless Myles Turner shakes free, can't see Boston making any big moves. However, they may make a consolidation trade and get a more tradeable contract.

An example is Theis, Ojeleye and Poirier for JJ Reddick. Reddick's not that good anymore, but can provide veteran bench scoring, and has a $13 mil. contract in 2020-21, which Ainge can use in a trade...

[Joshyjess]

I think it boils down to whether or not we think we have our closing "center" for the playoffs. We're already sure that 4 among Kemba/Smart/Brown/Tatum/Hayward will all be there in the last five minutes of halves of every playoff game. Assuming health of course. So who plays the 5 in those situations? If we are confident that we can get away with Theis/Williamses/Kanter, then there's no reason to upgrade.

The question about means and target worthiness is a valid one. The offseason didn't set us up for a huge midseason trade unless it's for an All-NBA talent for whom we're willing to give up core player(s).

Exactly! Who would be willing to give up to get a big name 5, and would the price be worth it? The assets we have that we are willing to part with really aren't enough to get us any kind of game changer. The cost of getting a good big could really hurt what this team is doing. So unless Danny can wave his magic wand, and fins a deal that brings in a really good big at a price that doesn't hurt the team, I just don't think anything of importance is going to happen this season.

[100proof]

Unless Myles Turner shakes free, can't see Boston making any big moves. However, they may make a consolidation trade and get a more tradeable contract.

An example is Theis, Ojeleye and Poirier for JJ Reddick. Reddick's not that good anymore, but can provide veteran bench scoring, and has a $13 mil. contract in 2020-21, which Ainge can use in a trade...

I dont think they make a move for a center at all and are instead hoping on the growth of Rob.

Key right now is better PF depth.

[CelticFaninLBC]

Unless Myles Turner shakes free, can't see Boston making any big moves. However, they may make a consolidation trade and get a more tradeable contract.

An example is Theis, Ojeleye and Poirier for JJ Reddick. Reddick's not that good anymore, but can provide veteran bench scoring, and has a $13 mil. contract in 2020-21, which Ainge can use in a trade...

I dont think they make a move for a center at all and are instead hoping on the growth of Rob.

Key right now is better PF depth.

Yes, unless a good center becomes available, they'll probably stick with developing Williams, and look to add bench scoring.

[sully00]

No. He’s just shown no reason he should be playing above Wanamaker at this time.

Sure he has and not by last night. Over his college career you saw a player that if he continues to develop could be a legit scoring threat in the NBA we saw it in summer league and the pre season. We see it in the games now sometimes the ball just isn't going in, maybe not a starting PG but a top 8 guy. Brad Wannamaker has never and never will be that guy. He is your 3rd PG so if you have a guy who has more talent and skills and needs mins to adjust to the NBA you give him that opportunity. If he can't get it done then you go get someone else but his success or failure doesn't really change the dynamic with Wannamaker he should be a 10 mpg guy.

Brad Wanamaker's minutes are not wholly coming at Edwards' expense. I don't see Edwards' role as a PG. He's more of an off guard. Sure, he can bring the ball up, but I don't see him running the offense as a PG does. It seems to me that there will be minutes for Edwards, and for Wanamaker too. Also, I wouldn't be surprised to see that Wanamaker's minutes go up.

I was more responding to the concept that Edwards shouldn't play over Wannamaker because he hasn't "earned it" or isn't the better player. I think Wannamaker should have a role he is solid vet and can make a 3 and he doesn't kill you. But bottom line including the last two games Wannamaker has now scored in double figures 5 times in 50 games Carsen Edwards has scored in double figures 3 times in 9 games and he hasn't even figured out what is going on yet.

[Slartibartfast]

I think we should make a play for Draymond Green.

The Warriors are probably gonna want to save some money with this train wreck of a season. They badly need an injection of young blood and picks to give them some cheap talent around their super-expensive perimeter trio.

Dray might be on the decline but he's such a competitor and a good fit. I feel like he'd bring it in a new, more competitive environment. And while his contract is long, it's not super onerous.

Theis/Kanter/Romeo/Grant and a pick

[zoyathedestroya]

I think we should make a play for Draymond Green.

The Warriors are probably gonna want to save some money with this train wreck of a season. They badly need an injection of young blood and picks to give them some cheap talent around their super-expensive perimeter trio.

Dray might be on the decline but he's such a competitor and a good fit. I feel like he'd bring it in a new, more competitive environment. And while his contract is long, it's not super onerous.

Theis/Kanter/Romeo/Grant and a pick

Can't stand the guy in a way fans of other teams probably can't stand Smart. If that's even in play, I'd have done it yesterday. I think they ask for Brown or Tatum plus the Memphis pick at the minimum. We'd be favored in the East with that type of move. It would give us our rim protector and defender against the Giannis/AD/Lebron/Kawhi/Siakam types.

[keevsnick1]

I think we should make a play for Draymond Green.

The Warriors are probably gonna want to save some money with this train wreck of a season. They badly need an injection of young blood and picks to give them some cheap talent around their super-expensive perimeter trio.

Dray might be on the decline but he's such a competitor and a good fit. I feel like he'd bring it in a new, more competitive environment. And while his contract is long, it's not super onerous.

Theis/Kanter/Romeo/Grant and a pick

Can't stand the guy in a way fans of other teams probably can't stand Smart. If that's even in play, I'd have done it yesterday. I think they ask for Brown or Tatum plus the Memphis pick at the minimum. We'd be favored in the East with that type of move. It would give us our rim protector and defender against the Giannis/AD/Lebron/Kawhi types.

Well Brown cant be traded because of his extension and Tatum isnt enough salary too make that deal work. Its the same problem with every big man trade, anybody worth anything makes too much money to match salaries.

Also GSW arent trading DG, they are gonna reload this summer and get healthy for next year.

[zoyathedestroya]

I think we should make a play for Draymond Green.

The Warriors are probably gonna want to save some money with this train wreck of a season. They badly need an injection of young blood and picks to give them some cheap talent around their super-expensive perimeter trio.

Dray might be on the decline but he's such a competitor and a good fit. I feel like he'd bring it in a new, more competitive environment. And while his contract is long, it's not super onerous.

Theis/Kanter/Romeo/Grant and a pick

Can't stand the guy in a way fans of other teams probably can't stand Smart. If that's even in play, I'd have done it yesterday. I think they ask for Brown or Tatum plus the Memphis pick at the minimum. We'd be favored in the East with that type of move. It would give us our rim protector and defender against the Giannis/AD/Lebron/Kawhi types.

Well Brown cant be traded because of his extension and Tatum isnt enough salary too make that deal work. Its the same problem with every big man trade, anybody worth anything makes too much money to match salaries.

Also GSW arent trading DG, they are gonna reload this summer and get healthy for next year.

I meant if Slart's exact package (trade works just right before trade deadline) is all what it would take to get Green, then sign me up. I don't think it is.

[Andrew McCeltic]

If Toronto trades Ibaka to a team who buys him out, he’d be an ideal mid season pickup.

[Andrew McCeltic]

We also haven’t had a good look at Kanter yet - if he and Williams can hold down the center position, Theis becomes power forward depth..