The Jarrett Culver Thread

[shangrila]

.R. Covington, .A. Wiggins, .K. Towns, .T. Graham, .J. Culver, 42 minutes, 100.0 ORTG, 95.9 DRTG, +4.1
.R. Covington, .A. Wiggins, .K. Towns, .T. Graham, .J. Teague, 60 minutes, 105.5 ORTG, 119.1 DRTG, -13.6

Small sample size but still, pretty insane.

It'll be interesting the next 5 games to see how they keep doing defensively. Washington should be a win but after that it's Houston, Utahx2 then Phoenix. So Harden/Westbrook, Mitchell/Conley and then Booker/Rubio. Should be a good test.

[life_saver]

Culver's shot needs lots of work...his release still looks slow to me

[KGdaBom]

Culver's shot needs lots of work...his release still looks slow to me

The look might be bad, but the results were decent. 4-10 2-5 from three. The 1-4 FTs is a beeatch though.

[Jedzz]

Culver's shot needs lots of work...his release still looks slow to me

The look might be bad, but the results were decent. 4-10 2-5 from three. The 1-4 FTs is a beeatch though.

He played 30 minutes in the first three quarters, and was a big part of building the early deficit.

Just being the ying to your yang my man. Go Culver!

[KGdaBom]

Culver's shot needs lots of work...his release still looks slow to me

The look might be bad, but the results were decent. 4-10 2-5 from three. The 1-4 FTs is a beeatch though.

He played 30 minutes in the first three quarters, and was a big part of building the early deficit.

Just being the ying to your yang my man. Go Culver!

I'm painting the picture the way it is. Did I say great. I pointed out the FT shooting sucked. 4-10 with a couple threes a few rebounds and assists a couple TOs and a 3 steals is a solid game. No more no less.

[Jedzz]

The look might be bad, but the results were decent. 4-10 2-5 from three. The 1-4 FTs is a beeatch though.

He played 30 minutes in the first three quarters, and was a big part of building the early deficit.

Just being the ying to your yang my man. Go Culver!

I'm painting the picture the way it is. Did I say great. I pointed out the FT shooting sucked. 4-10 with a couple threes a few rebounds and assists a couple TOs and a 3 steals is a solid game. No more no less.

I don't agree that it was solid because I too watched the game and for 30 minutes of play, starting, that's not enough. He wasn't at least a defensive stud to lean on when you see a low point total for 30 minutes like you get from Okogie starting.

Think about it for a second. We used to be all over Wiggins for getting 30 minutes and having 15-20 points and just a couple boards with no defense, no creation for others, etc. Culver got 11 points and 3 boards in 30 minutes and it's just not enough from a starter. It's why Okogie is getting passed over for starts, so we can find someone else that can do more offensively. Yes, wonderful that he had 3 steals. Go Culver! Go Wolves starting a developing rookie and tossing games away. Large stretches of Towns minutes are playing 4 on 5 this way. I watched Culver intently at times to see just what in fact he's doing. He's watching, and slowly learning, as other players go about playing. I'm the one calling it like it is. He's currently a bench level player that needs to be playing when the situation is good for him and the team. In an injury situation with starters out he should be splitting time more with other players. This is currently Thibs level game stupidity. Remember when Thibs threw Okogie to the wolves and instantly jumped him to 30 minutes? Same thing exactly.

[KGdaBom]

He played 30 minutes in the first three quarters, and was a big part of building the early deficit.

Just being the ying to your yang my man. Go Culver!

I'm painting the picture the way it is. Did I say great. I pointed out the FT shooting sucked. 4-10 with a couple threes a few rebounds and assists a couple TOs and a 3 steals is a solid game. No more no less.

I don't agree that it was solid because I too watched the game and for 30 minutes of play, starting, that's not enough. He wasn't at least a defensive stud to lean on when you see a low point total for 30 minutes like you get from Okogie starting.

Think about it for a second. We used to be all over Wiggins for getting 30 minutes and having 15-20 points and just a couple boards with no defense, no creation for others, etc. Culver got 11 points and 3 boards in 30 minutes and it's just not enough from a starter. It's why Okogie is getting passed over for starts, so we can find someone else that can do more offensively. Yes, wonderful that he had 3 steals. Go Culver! Go Wolves starting a developing rookie and tossing games away. Large stretches of Towns minutes are playing 4 on 5 this way. I watched Culver intently at times to see just what in fact he's doing. He's watching, and slowly learning, as other players go about playing. I'm the one calling it like it is. He's currently a bench level player that needs to be playing when the situation is good for him and the team. In an injury situation with starters out he should be splitting time more with other players. This is currently Thibs level game stupidity. Remember when Thibs threw Okogie to the wolves and instantly jumped him to 30 minutes? Same thing exactly.

I think I win when I make my point with few words and the person I'm debating uses many. Let's just leave it at vehemently disagree.

[Jedzz]

I think I win when I make my point with few words and the person I'm debating uses many. Let's just leave it at vehemently disagree.

Well sorry but that is the weakest thing I've read from you here yet. Anyone can post a one line fairytale and never back it up. You just claimed a fictitions opinion was a point.

It's as if I was to claim that Thibs was the best coach this team has ever had because he got to the playoffs faster than any coach ever has here. Can't disagree because I said it in one sentence.

[Mattya]

I think I win when I make my point with few words and the person I'm debating uses many.

This is in my top 5 most ridiculous things I've read on this board. In ever single context this just comes off as ignorant, stubborn, lazy and close minded. Is there even a point in debating someone like this? Like this sounds straight from the mindset of a troll.

[TheProdigy]

I think I win when I make my point with few words and the person I'm debating uses many.

This is in my top 5 most ridiculous things I've read on this board. In ever single context this just comes off as ignorant, stubborn, lazy and close minded. Is there even a point in debating someone like this? Like this sounds straight from the mindset of a troll.

The.

I've won the argument.

[KGdaBom]

I think I win when I make my point with few words and the person I'm debating uses many.

This is in my top 5 most ridiculous things I've read on this board. In ever single context this just comes off as ignorant, stubborn, lazy and close minded. Is there even a point in debating someone like this? Like this sounds straight from the mindset of a troll.

The.

I've won the argument.

Great argument.

[Jedzz]

This is in my top 5 most ridiculous things I've read on this board. In ever single context this just comes off as ignorant, stubborn, lazy and close minded. Is there even a point in debating someone like this? Like this sounds straight from the mindset of a troll.

The.

I've won the argument.

Great argument.

You are going on ignore for this lifetime. Have had enough of your fake positivity campaigns for a couple individuals and then forays into trollville. I can tell at times you have been trying hard not to be yourself, but then it just pours out like a dam broke. Enough for me.

[KGdaBom]

The.

I've won the argument.

Great argument.

You are going on ignore for this lifetime. Have had enough of your fake positivity campaigns for a couple individuals and then forays into trollville. I can tell at times you have been trying hard not to be yourself, but then it just pours out like a dam broke. Enough for me.

Jedzz I have no problem with you ignoring me. So you may miss this reply, but here goes. My point regarding long and short arguments are that often if a person doesn't have a strong argument they try to embellish their stance with many words. If the response is long enough I simply won't bother reading it. Your arguments seldom got that long.

As for fake positivity my positivity is as real as it gets. As for any forays into Trollville I have never gone there and never will.

[beezy]

Jarrett Culver's minutes although useful for experience are killing us. His efficiency is terrible, he's taking the shots teams are daring him to and they don't go in. He is a turnover waiting to happen. His advanced metrics bear all this out and at least my eye test certainly does as well. An adjustment of minutes is needed I think. He's gonna be a player but if we want to win now his 25 minutes aren't helping.

[minimus]

Jarrett Culver's minutes although useful for experience are killing us. His efficiency is terrible, he's taking the shots teams are daring him to and they don't go in. He is a turnover waiting to happen. His advanced metrics bear all this out and at least my eye test certainly does as well. An adjustment of minutes is needed I think. He's gonna be a player but if we want to win now his 25 minutes aren't helping.

I am perfectly fine with Culver getting consistent 25 minutes every game. He is getting enough opportunities to learn. We want to win now, but we are not in must win now mode. That is a big difference.

[beezy]

Jarrett Culver's minutes although useful for experience are killing us. His efficiency is terrible, he's taking the shots teams are daring him to and they don't go in. He is a turnover waiting to happen. His advanced metrics bear all this out and at least my eye test certainly does as well. An adjustment of minutes is needed I think. He's gonna be a player but if we want to win now his 25 minutes aren't helping.

I am perfectly fine with Culver getting consistent 25 minutes every game. He is getting enough opportunities to learn. We want to win now, but we are not in must win now mode. That is a big difference.

My adjustment would be to 15-20 minutes. Just a minor cut back.

[minimus]

Jarrett Culver's minutes although useful for experience are killing us. His efficiency is terrible, he's taking the shots teams are daring him to and they don't go in. He is a turnover waiting to happen. His advanced metrics bear all this out and at least my eye test certainly does as well. An adjustment of minutes is needed I think. He's gonna be a player but if we want to win now his 25 minutes aren't helping.

I am perfectly fine with Culver getting consistent 25 minutes every game. He is getting enough opportunities to learn. We want to win now, but we are not in must win now mode. That is a big difference.

My adjustment would be to 15-20 minutes. Just a minor cut back.

I agree that sometimes it feels like Jarrett needs 5 minute rest, because he is too sloppy or lost. I wish that we could immediately give him some rest + guidance, and give Martin/Nowell a few minutes to play. However, within game dynamic it is not always possible due to many other problems. For instance, recently Culver played a lot because of all Teague, Wiggins, Okogie, Napier missing games.

[Slim Tubby]

I think I win when I make my point with few words and the person I'm debating uses many.

This is in my top 5 most ridiculous things I've read on this board. In ever single context this just comes off as ignorant, stubborn, lazy and close minded. Is there even a point in debating someone like this? Like this sounds straight from the mindset of a troll.

The.

I've won the argument.

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I beieve I'm now the leader in the clubhouse for best argument with my "period" statement.

[Slim Tubby]

I'm literally on the fence right now with Culver. I've seen enough potential that I think he can develop into a very good starter in this league yet I haven't seen enough where I would refuse to include him in a trade that brings back a more established player under the age of 25. Does that make any sense?

[Jedzz]

Jarrett Culver's minutes although useful for experience are killing us. His efficiency is terrible, he's taking the shots teams are daring him to and they don't go in. He is a turnover waiting to happen. His advanced metrics bear all this out and at least my eye test certainly does as well. An adjustment of minutes is needed I think. He's gonna be a player but if we want to win now his 25 minutes aren't helping.

I am perfectly fine with Culver getting consistent 25 minutes every game. He is getting enough opportunities to learn. We want to win now, but we are not in must win now mode. That is a big difference.

My adjustment would be to 15-20 minutes. Just a minor cut back.

I agree with your point beezy.

minimus doesn't understand anything different could help both the team now and Culver's developemnt. He also doesn't seem to care about winning at all.

Did it help Okogie's game to just thrust him into such high minutes last season? Does he look anymore aware on offense this season? He wasn't learning as much as he was just doing what he could. Focused minutes would have helped him so much more.

And as if we need any more examples, we have the 5 years of WIggins to point to. Instant 25-38 minute role from day one through 5 years did not speed up his development. It took the time it took for him to decide to bear down, for him to realize more was being asked of him than what he was putting effort into, for him to learn that everyone watching wasn't descibing him as the people around him were all those years. Once Wiggins learned the truth of how others perceived his play, he made a decision to do something about it. That had absolutely nothing to do with being a five year starter from the word go. If anything, the red carpet treatment he got and the free minutes just allowed him to play famous Wolves star character for five years. This is the example that should make everyone wiser about the next draft pick that first shows you he needs a slower development track.