2019 season speculation including trade ideas

[sasquatchBob]

Is Monty Williams like Coach Carter? I came to this conclusion after re-watching the movie few days ago.

[handsome salary]

So I'm watching the NBA mixtape segment on Sportscenter the other day. A play showed was Oubre slashing and dunking over the Hawks. One hosts asks in disbelief "The Suns are good? Are the SUNS gooood??" The other host replies "No, not yet." And then they both have a chuckle for being so smart.

NEWSFLASH: Suns still not even GOOD.

[Jdiddy701]

Is Monty Williams like Coach Carter? I came to this conclusion after re-watching the movie few days ago.

I can also see Kelly Oubre and Devin Booker getting caught by Monty Williams at a college party kissing up on some ladies a night before a big game.


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[Ghost of Kleine]

So how much money comes off the books for us to have at our disposal in 2020 free agency again? Figuring Tyler Johnson's expiring is around 19 million and Sarics' would be around 10 right??

So in theory we could have close to 30 million. But would still need to at the very least, resign Baynes at 10 million minimum( fingers crossed). And IF we choose to resign Saric( I'd prefer him over Kaminsky if we're choosing between the two) what are we figuring Saric to possibly command marketwise? I understand that he has a qualifying offer of 4.7 million right? Which I believe that we picked up already. That would make him a restricted free agent for us, meaning we could go over the cap to resign him after signing additional free agents?

Does anyone have some clarity on the projected numbers going into 2020 ? I'm trying to get a clear figure on prospective cap space for potentially strengthening our already deep roster. Ideally, I'd hope that we can somehow resign Baynes( first and foremost!) Next let Tyler Johnson expire, Trade off Kaminsky to a team looking for a floor spacing big man in return for an expiring, and target two specific players in 2020.

1- Montrezl Harrell- His rebounding prowess, toughness, intensity and defense intrigue me next to Ayton. And since Baynes can hit the three, he would compliment him as well. We could have a ridiculously tough, aggressive defensive frontcourt surrounded by very productive ( potentially lethal shooters). Whilst Ayton works his magic offensively in the post.

2- Joe Harris- Joe Harris is yet another unbelievably good 3 pt shooter, who can help spell Booker, ease the scoring burden, and add even more shooting to our already potent perimeter offense. Then as Bgood himself stated, We pick the best bargains ( potential steals in the draft to maintain low cost rookie contracts) and thusly conserving our cap better.

Again, not sure on the current cap figures, just contemplating some ideas?

[bwgood77]

So how much money comes off the books for us to have at our disposal in 2020 free agency again? Figuring Tyler Johnson's expiring is around 19 million and Sarics' would be around 10 right??

So in theory we could have close to 30 million. But would still need to at the very least, resign Baynes at 10 million minimum( fingers crossed). And IF we choose to resign Saric( I'd prefer him over Kaminsky if we're choosing between the two) what are we figuring Saric to possibly command marketwise? I understand that he has a qualifying offer of 4.7 million right? Which I believe that we picked up already. That would make him a restricted free agent for us, meaning we could go over the cap to resign him after signing additional free agents?

Does anyone have some clarity on the projected numbers going into 2020 ? I'm trying to get a clear figure on prospective cap space for potentially strengthening our already deep roster. Ideally, I'd hope that we can somehow resign Baynes( first and foremost!) Next let Tyler Johnson expire, Trade off Kaminsky to a team looking for a floor spacing big man in return for an expiring, and target two specific players in 2020.

1- Montrezl Harrell- His rebounding prowess, toughness, intensity and defense intrigue me next to Ayton. And since Baynes can hit the three, he would compliment him as well. We could have a ridiculously tough, aggressive defensive frontcourt surrounded by very productive ( potentially lethal shooters). Whilst Ayton works his magic offensively in the post.

2- Joe Harris- Joe Harris is yet another unbelievably good 3 pt shooter, who can help spell Booker, ease the scoring burden, and add even more shooting to our already potent perimeter offense. Then as Bgood himself stated, We pick the best bargains ( potential steals in the draft to maintain low cost rookie contracts) and thusly conserving our cap better.

Again, not sure on the current cap figures, just contemplating some ideas?

Not sure what Saric's cap hold is, but before that we are at around $91.7.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/PHO.html

We also have a team option on Frank so that won't count against us. I don't think the free agent ppol is that good. We could probably sign someone though before re-signing Saric and Baynes if we keep him, but in that case Baynes would have a cap hold too before re-signing him that would eat into what we can use to sign people.

[bigfoot]

So how much money comes off the books for us to have at our disposal in 2020 free agency again? Figuring Tyler Johnson's expiring is around 19 million and Sarics' would be around 10 right??

So in theory we could have close to 30 million. But would still need to at the very least, resign Baynes at 10 million minimum( fingers crossed). And IF we choose to resign Saric( I'd prefer him over Kaminsky if we're choosing between the two) what are we figuring Saric to possibly command marketwise? I understand that he has a qualifying offer of 4.7 million right? Which I believe that we picked up already. That would make him a restricted free agent for us, meaning we could go over the cap to resign him after signing additional free agents?

Does anyone have some clarity on the projected numbers going into 2020 ? I'm trying to get a clear figure on prospective cap space for potentially strengthening our already deep roster. Ideally, I'd hope that we can somehow resign Baynes( first and foremost!) Next let Tyler Johnson expire, Trade off Kaminsky to a team looking for a floor spacing big man in return for an expiring, and target two specific players in 2020.

1- Montrezl Harrell- His rebounding prowess, toughness, intensity and defense intrigue me next to Ayton. And since Baynes can hit the three, he would compliment him as well. We could have a ridiculously tough, aggressive defensive frontcourt surrounded by very productive ( potentially lethal shooters). Whilst Ayton works his magic offensively in the post.

2- Joe Harris- Joe Harris is yet another unbelievably good 3 pt shooter, who can help spell Booker, ease the scoring burden, and add even more shooting to our already potent perimeter offense. Then as Bgood himself stated, We pick the best bargains ( potential steals in the draft to maintain low cost rookie contracts) and thusly conserving our cap better.

Again, not sure on the current cap figures, just contemplating some ideas?

Let's be real clear here and not guess on numbers.

1) If we waive rights to Saric, Baynes, our first round pick, Okobu, Tyler Johnson, and Jevon Carter we will have about $25M in cap space. There is no way to get to $30M.

2) Baynes' and Saric's are about $10M each so $20M in cap holds. I can't imagine waiving bird rights to either of them. So waiving everyone else (Okobu, Tyler Johnson, Jevon Carter, draft pick) we'd have about $5M in cap space.

3) Likely best option, hold onto the rights of Baynes and Saric and draft pick. Waive Tyler Johnson's $28M cap hold. We would still be over the cap. However, this leaves us with a $10M mid-level exception and a $4M bi-annual exception. See if Tyler will take the bi-annual and find a decent player for $10M. Then sign Baynes and Saric for their market value.

4) You only get exceptions if you are over the cap. So don't try to get under the cap and think you have both exceptions still available.

[Ghost of Kleine]

So how much money comes off the books for us to have at our disposal in 2020 free agency again? Figuring Tyler Johnson's expiring is around 19 million and Sarics' would be around 10 right??

So in theory we could have close to 30 million. But would still need to at the very least, resign Baynes at 10 million minimum( fingers crossed). And IF we choose to resign Saric( I'd prefer him over Kaminsky if we're choosing between the two) what are we figuring Saric to possibly command marketwise? I understand that he has a qualifying offer of 4.7 million right? Which I believe that we picked up already. That would make him a restricted free agent for us, meaning we could go over the cap to resign him after signing additional free agents?

Does anyone have some clarity on the projected numbers going into 2020 ? I'm trying to get a clear figure on prospective cap space for potentially strengthening our already deep roster. Ideally, I'd hope that we can somehow resign Baynes( first and foremost!) Next let Tyler Johnson expire, Trade off Kaminsky to a team looking for a floor spacing big man in return for an expiring, and target two specific players in 2020.

1- Montrezl Harrell- His rebounding prowess, toughness, intensity and defense intrigue me next to Ayton. And since Baynes can hit the three, he would compliment him as well. We could have a ridiculously tough, aggressive defensive frontcourt surrounded by very productive ( potentially lethal shooters). Whilst Ayton works his magic offensively in the post.

2- Joe Harris- Joe Harris is yet another unbelievably good 3 pt shooter, who can help spell Booker, ease the scoring burden, and add even more shooting to our already potent perimeter offense. Then as Bgood himself stated, We pick the best bargains ( potential steals in the draft to maintain low cost rookie contracts) and thusly conserving our cap better.

Again, not sure on the current cap figures, just contemplating some ideas?

Not sure what Saric's cap hold is, but before that we are at around $91.7.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/PHO.html

We also have a team option on Frank so that won't count against us. I don't think the free agent ppol is that good. We could probably sign someone though before re-signing Saric and Baynes if we keep him, but in that case Baynes would have a cap hold too before re-signing him that would eat into what we can use to sign people.

Thanks for the info man. I believe that Saric has a cap hold os around 10.4 million according to sportstrack.com after we extended the 4.7 million qualifying offer to make him a restricted free agent for us.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/phoenix-suns/dario-saric-15364/.

But it's my hope is( not to get too far ahead of myself) that IF the opportunity presents itself, we could let Tyler Johnson expire giving us around 19 million, Then decline the team option for Kaminsky, that should give us around perhaps 25 million??? Then we decline Diallos' 1.6 million giving us now around 26-27 million? So we resign Baynes first( Priority #1 due to his impact on the team's toughness). Hopefully get him for 8-10? Then are left with around 17-18 million for free agency. Decline Diallos' 1.6 million, Now giving us around 19-20 million after resigning Baynes!

But IF Sarics' cap hold is at 10.4 million, Doesn't that knock us down to around 9-10 million or so anyways towards what we have available to offer?

Perhaps, before resigning Saric last, We can target and apply that 10 million straight towards Harrell to address our frontcourt needs, or ( ***If he's out of our price range) We can then opt to save cap and go lower cost by signing Joe Harris for around 8 million, Then offer either Noah Vonleh or Patrick Patterson 2 million per. Resign saric for 8-10( hopefully around 8 million) Then resign Carter with what's left over?

Or we could just go really cheap on one year deals, and sign Vonleh at 2 million, offer Pau Gasol around 4, Korkmaz for 2 and then resign Jevon Carter for using whatever is left??

So essentially we'd just be swapping out Tyler Johnson, Kaminsky and Diallo for Noah Vonleh (interchangeable defensive versatility, size at 6'9 and shotblocking) , Gasol( ***size at 7'1, also championship experience + Rubio connection)and Furkan Korkmaz ( a budget version of Joe Harris with size at 6'7, and knockdown shooting).

[NapoleonII]

To be a fit next to Booker and Ayton, any new players need to absolutely be two-way players.

Baynes/Rubio/Saric have all proved that. They have their weaknesses, but they're smart and hustle on the defensive end and aren't liabilities.

[bigfoot]

So how much money comes off the books for us to have at our disposal in 2020 free agency again? Figuring Tyler Johnson's expiring is around 19 million and Sarics' would be around 10 right??

So in theory we could have close to 30 million. But would still need to at the very least, resign Baynes at 10 million minimum( fingers crossed). And IF we choose to resign Saric( I'd prefer him over Kaminsky if we're choosing between the two) what are we figuring Saric to possibly command marketwise? I understand that he has a qualifying offer of 4.7 million right? Which I believe that we picked up already. That would make him a restricted free agent for us, meaning we could go over the cap to resign him after signing additional free agents?

Does anyone have some clarity on the projected numbers going into 2020 ? I'm trying to get a clear figure on prospective cap space for potentially strengthening our already deep roster. Ideally, I'd hope that we can somehow resign Baynes( first and foremost!) Next let Tyler Johnson expire, Trade off Kaminsky to a team looking for a floor spacing big man in return for an expiring, and target two specific players in 2020.

1- Montrezl Harrell- His rebounding prowess, toughness, intensity and defense intrigue me next to Ayton. And since Baynes can hit the three, he would compliment him as well. We could have a ridiculously tough, aggressive defensive frontcourt surrounded by very productive ( potentially lethal shooters). Whilst Ayton works his magic offensively in the post.

2- Joe Harris- Joe Harris is yet another unbelievably good 3 pt shooter, who can help spell Booker, ease the scoring burden, and add even more shooting to our already potent perimeter offense. Then as Bgood himself stated, We pick the best bargains ( potential steals in the draft to maintain low cost rookie contracts) and thusly conserving our cap better.

Again, not sure on the current cap figures, just contemplating some ideas?

Not sure what Saric's cap hold is, but before that we are at around $91.7.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/PHO.html

We also have a team option on Frank so that won't count against us. I don't think the free agent ppol is that good. We could probably sign someone though before re-signing Saric and Baynes if we keep him, but in that case Baynes would have a cap hold too before re-signing him that would eat into what we can use to sign people.

Thanks for the info man. I believe that Saric has a cap hold os around 10.4 million according to sportstrack.com after we extended the 4.7 million qualifying offer to make him a restricted free agent for us.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/phoenix-suns/dario-saric-15364/.

But it's my hope is( not to get too far ahead of myself) that IF the opportunity presents itself, we could let Tyler Johnson expire giving us around 19 million, Then decline the team option for Kaminsky, that should give us around perhaps 25 million??? Then we decline Diallos' 1.6 million giving us now around 26-27 million? So we resign Baynes first( Priority #1 due to his impact on the team's toughness). Hopefully get him for 8-10? Then are left with around 17-18 million for free agency. Decline Diallos' 1.6 million, Now giving us around 19-20 million after resigning Baynes!

But IF Sarics' cap hold is at 10.4 million, Doesn't that knock us down to around 9-10 million or so anyways towards what we have available to offer?

Perhaps, before resigning Saric last, We can target and apply that 10 million straight towards Harrell to address our frontcourt needs, or ( ***If he's out of our price range) We can then opt to save cap and go lower cost by signing Joe Harris for around 8 million, Then offer either Noah Vonleh or Patrick Patterson 2 million per. Resign saric for 8-10( hopefully around 8 million) Then resign Carter with what's left over?

Or we could just go really cheap on one year deals, and sign Vonleh at 2 million, offer Pau Gasol around 4, Korkmaz for 2 and then resign Jevon Carter for using whatever is left??

So essentially we'd just be swapping out Tyler Johnson, Kaminsky and Diallo for Noah Vonleh (interchangeable defensive versatility, size at 6'9 and shotblocking) , Gasol( ***size at 7'1, also championship experience + Rubio connection)and Furkan Korkmaz ( a budget version of Joe Harris with size at 6'7, and knockdown shooting).

Again we are not going to have the cap space your are suggesting. So think about it this way and in this order ...

1) Draft a rookie to carry the lunch pails
2) Waive rights to Tyler Johnson, Carter, Diallo, and Okobu
3) Sign Tyler Johnson to bi-annual exception (About $4m)
4) Sign a free agent vet that fills holes we really need filled (backup PF) using $10M mid-level exception
5) Sign Baynes for whatever we want to pay ($8M - $15M)
6) Sign Saric for whatever we want to pay ($8M - $15M)
7) Bring back Carter on a vet minimum deal

Rubio/Jerome/Carter/Lecque
Booker/Tyler Johnson/Bridges
Oubre/Cam Johnson/Bridges
Saric/FA/Kaminsky
Ayton/Baynes/Kaminsky

Rookie would be best player available

Edit: And if I had my choice I'd see if Milsap would come to the Suns for the $10M mid-level exception

[bigfoot]

Not sure what Saric's cap hold is, but before that we are at around $91.7.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/PHO.html

We also have a team option on Frank so that won't count against us. I don't think the free agent ppol is that good. We could probably sign someone though before re-signing Saric and Baynes if we keep him, but in that case Baynes would have a cap hold too before re-signing him that would eat into what we can use to sign people.

Thanks for the info man. I believe that Saric has a cap hold os around 10.4 million according to sportstrack.com after we extended the 4.7 million qualifying offer to make him a restricted free agent for us.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/phoenix-suns/dario-saric-15364/.

But it's my hope is( not to get too far ahead of myself) that IF the opportunity presents itself, we could let Tyler Johnson expire giving us around 19 million, Then decline the team option for Kaminsky, that should give us around perhaps 25 million??? Then we decline Diallos' 1.6 million giving us now around 26-27 million? So we resign Baynes first( Priority #1 due to his impact on the team's toughness). Hopefully get him for 8-10? Then are left with around 17-18 million for free agency. Decline Diallos' 1.6 million, Now giving us around 19-20 million after resigning Baynes!

But IF Sarics' cap hold is at 10.4 million, Doesn't that knock us down to around 9-10 million or so anyways towards what we have available to offer?

Perhaps, before resigning Saric last, We can target and apply that 10 million straight towards Harrell to address our frontcourt needs, or ( ***If he's out of our price range) We can then opt to save cap and go lower cost by signing Joe Harris for around 8 million, Then offer either Noah Vonleh or Patrick Patterson 2 million per. Resign saric for 8-10( hopefully around 8 million) Then resign Carter with what's left over?

Or we could just go really cheap on one year deals, and sign Vonleh at 2 million, offer Pau Gasol around 4, Korkmaz for 2 and then resign Jevon Carter for using whatever is left??

So essentially we'd just be swapping out Tyler Johnson, Kaminsky and Diallo for Noah Vonleh (interchangeable defensive versatility, size at 6'9 and shotblocking) , Gasol( ***size at 7'1, also championship experience + Rubio connection)and Furkan Korkmaz ( a budget version of Joe Harris with size at 6'7, and knockdown shooting).

Again we are not going to have the cap space your are suggesting. So think about it this way and in this order ...

1) Draft a rookie to carry the lunch pails
2) Waive rights to Tyler Johnson, Carter, Diallo, and Okobu
3) Sign Tyler Johnson to bi-annual exception (About $4m)
4) Sign a free agent vet that fills holes we really need filled (backup PF) using $10M mid-level exception
5) Sign Baynes for whatever we want to pay ($8M - $15M)
6) Sign Saric for whatever we want to pay ($8M - $15M)
7) Bring back Carter on a vet minimum deal

Rubio/Jerome/Carter/Lecque
Booker/Tyler Johnson/Bridges
Oubre/Cam Johnson/Bridges
Saric/FA/Kaminsky
Ayton/Baynes/Kaminsky

Rookie would be best player available

Edit: And if I had my choice I'd see if Milsap would come to the Suns for the $10M mid-level exception

Second Edit: Would Sarver be willing to cough up the dough for Baynes, Saric, and a quality mid-level exception player??

[bwgood77]

Not sure what Saric's cap hold is, but before that we are at around $91.7.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/PHO.html

We also have a team option on Frank so that won't count against us. I don't think the free agent ppol is that good. We could probably sign someone though before re-signing Saric and Baynes if we keep him, but in that case Baynes would have a cap hold too before re-signing him that would eat into what we can use to sign people.

Thanks for the info man. I believe that Saric has a cap hold os around 10.4 million according to sportstrack.com after we extended the 4.7 million qualifying offer to make him a restricted free agent for us.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/phoenix-suns/dario-saric-15364/.

But it's my hope is( not to get too far ahead of myself) that IF the opportunity presents itself, we could let Tyler Johnson expire giving us around 19 million, Then decline the team option for Kaminsky, that should give us around perhaps 25 million??? Then we decline Diallos' 1.6 million giving us now around 26-27 million? So we resign Baynes first( Priority #1 due to his impact on the team's toughness). Hopefully get him for 8-10? Then are left with around 17-18 million for free agency. Decline Diallos' 1.6 million, Now giving us around 19-20 million after resigning Baynes!

But IF Sarics' cap hold is at 10.4 million, Doesn't that knock us down to around 9-10 million or so anyways towards what we have available to offer?

Perhaps, before resigning Saric last, We can target and apply that 10 million straight towards Harrell to address our frontcourt needs, or ( ***If he's out of our price range) We can then opt to save cap and go lower cost by signing Joe Harris for around 8 million, Then offer either Noah Vonleh or Patrick Patterson 2 million per. Resign saric for 8-10( hopefully around 8 million) Then resign Carter with what's left over?

Or we could just go really cheap on one year deals, and sign Vonleh at 2 million, offer Pau Gasol around 4, Korkmaz for 2 and then resign Jevon Carter for using whatever is left??

So essentially we'd just be swapping out Tyler Johnson, Kaminsky and Diallo for Noah Vonleh (interchangeable defensive versatility, size at 6'9 and shotblocking) , Gasol( ***size at 7'1, also championship experience + Rubio connection)and Furkan Korkmaz ( a budget version of Joe Harris with size at 6'7, and knockdown shooting).

Again we are not going to have the cap space your are suggesting. So think about it this way and in this order ...

1) Draft a rookie to carry the lunch pails
2) Waive rights to Tyler Johnson, Carter, Diallo, and Okobu
3) Sign Tyler Johnson to bi-annual exception (About $4m)
4) Sign a free agent vet that fills holes we really need filled (backup PF) using $10M mid-level exception
5) Sign Baynes for whatever we want to pay ($8M - $15M)
6) Sign Saric for whatever we want to pay ($8M - $15M)
7) Bring back Carter on a vet minimum deal

Rubio/Jerome/Carter/Lecque
Booker/Tyler Johnson/Bridges
Oubre/Cam Johnson/Bridges
Saric/FA/Kaminsky
Ayton/Baynes/Kaminsky

Rookie would be best player available

Edit: And if I had my choice I'd see if Milsap would come to the Suns for the $10M mid-level exception

I doubt we waive Okobo considering he is developing, part of the nice draft class and close to those two, and is dirt cheap to keep. Like 1-2% of the cap.

[bwgood77]

Thanks for the info man. I believe that Saric has a cap hold os around 10.4 million according to sportstrack.com after we extended the 4.7 million qualifying offer to make him a restricted free agent for us.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/phoenix-suns/dario-saric-15364/.

But it's my hope is( not to get too far ahead of myself) that IF the opportunity presents itself, we could let Tyler Johnson expire giving us around 19 million, Then decline the team option for Kaminsky, that should give us around perhaps 25 million??? Then we decline Diallos' 1.6 million giving us now around 26-27 million? So we resign Baynes first( Priority #1 due to his impact on the team's toughness). Hopefully get him for 8-10? Then are left with around 17-18 million for free agency. Decline Diallos' 1.6 million, Now giving us around 19-20 million after resigning Baynes!

But IF Sarics' cap hold is at 10.4 million, Doesn't that knock us down to around 9-10 million or so anyways towards what we have available to offer?

Perhaps, before resigning Saric last, We can target and apply that 10 million straight towards Harrell to address our frontcourt needs, or ( ***If he's out of our price range) We can then opt to save cap and go lower cost by signing Joe Harris for around 8 million, Then offer either Noah Vonleh or Patrick Patterson 2 million per. Resign saric for 8-10( hopefully around 8 million) Then resign Carter with what's left over?

Or we could just go really cheap on one year deals, and sign Vonleh at 2 million, offer Pau Gasol around 4, Korkmaz for 2 and then resign Jevon Carter for using whatever is left??

So essentially we'd just be swapping out Tyler Johnson, Kaminsky and Diallo for Noah Vonleh (interchangeable defensive versatility, size at 6'9 and shotblocking) , Gasol( ***size at 7'1, also championship experience + Rubio connection)and Furkan Korkmaz ( a budget version of Joe Harris with size at 6'7, and knockdown shooting).

Again we are not going to have the cap space your are suggesting. So think about it this way and in this order ...

1) Draft a rookie to carry the lunch pails
2) Waive rights to Tyler Johnson, Carter, Diallo, and Okobu
3) Sign Tyler Johnson to bi-annual exception (About $4m)
4) Sign a free agent vet that fills holes we really need filled (backup PF) using $10M mid-level exception
5) Sign Baynes for whatever we want to pay ($8M - $15M)
6) Sign Saric for whatever we want to pay ($8M - $15M)
7) Bring back Carter on a vet minimum deal

Rubio/Jerome/Carter/Lecque
Booker/Tyler Johnson/Bridges
Oubre/Cam Johnson/Bridges
Saric/FA/Kaminsky
Ayton/Baynes/Kaminsky

Rookie would be best player available

Edit: And if I had my choice I'd see if Milsap would come to the Suns for the $10M mid-level exception

Second Edit: Would Sarver be willing to cough up the dough for Baynes, Saric, and a quality mid-level exception player??

If we keep everyone except Diallo and Carter, we can still keep another guy. I doubt we pay Carter the QO, and I don't think we likely keep him unless he gets playing time (which I doubt when Jerome gets back).

[bigfoot]

Thanks for the info man. I believe that Saric has a cap hold os around 10.4 million according to sportstrack.com after we extended the 4.7 million qualifying offer to make him a restricted free agent for us.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/phoenix-suns/dario-saric-15364/.

But it's my hope is( not to get too far ahead of myself) that IF the opportunity presents itself, we could let Tyler Johnson expire giving us around 19 million, Then decline the team option for Kaminsky, that should give us around perhaps 25 million??? Then we decline Diallos' 1.6 million giving us now around 26-27 million? So we resign Baynes first( Priority #1 due to his impact on the team's toughness). Hopefully get him for 8-10? Then are left with around 17-18 million for free agency. Decline Diallos' 1.6 million, Now giving us around 19-20 million after resigning Baynes!

But IF Sarics' cap hold is at 10.4 million, Doesn't that knock us down to around 9-10 million or so anyways towards what we have available to offer?

Perhaps, before resigning Saric last, We can target and apply that 10 million straight towards Harrell to address our frontcourt needs, or ( ***If he's out of our price range) We can then opt to save cap and go lower cost by signing Joe Harris for around 8 million, Then offer either Noah Vonleh or Patrick Patterson 2 million per. Resign saric for 8-10( hopefully around 8 million) Then resign Carter with what's left over?

Or we could just go really cheap on one year deals, and sign Vonleh at 2 million, offer Pau Gasol around 4, Korkmaz for 2 and then resign Jevon Carter for using whatever is left??

So essentially we'd just be swapping out Tyler Johnson, Kaminsky and Diallo for Noah Vonleh (interchangeable defensive versatility, size at 6'9 and shotblocking) , Gasol( ***size at 7'1, also championship experience + Rubio connection)and Furkan Korkmaz ( a budget version of Joe Harris with size at 6'7, and knockdown shooting).

Again we are not going to have the cap space your are suggesting. So think about it this way and in this order ...

1) Draft a rookie to carry the lunch pails
2) Waive rights to Tyler Johnson, Carter, Diallo, and Okobu
3) Sign Tyler Johnson to bi-annual exception (About $4m)
4) Sign a free agent vet that fills holes we really need filled (backup PF) using $10M mid-level exception
5) Sign Baynes for whatever we want to pay ($8M - $15M)
6) Sign Saric for whatever we want to pay ($8M - $15M)
7) Bring back Carter on a vet minimum deal

Rubio/Jerome/Carter/Lecque
Booker/Tyler Johnson/Bridges
Oubre/Cam Johnson/Bridges
Saric/FA/Kaminsky
Ayton/Baynes/Kaminsky

Rookie would be best player available

Edit: And if I had my choice I'd see if Milsap would come to the Suns for the $10M mid-level exception

I doubt we waive Okobo considering he is developing, part of the nice draft class and close to those two, and is dirt cheap to keep. Like 1-2% of the cap.

Suns have a team option on Okobo next year. Lecque and Jerome are both guaranteed contracts so they stick unless traded. I guess the Suns could choose to keep Okobo or Carter ... but not both.

[jcsunsfan]

So. We could get to about $32 million in cap space IF:

We decline TJohnson, Saric, Baynes, Carter, and Harper.
We use the team options to decline Kaminsky and Diallo.
We trade away our draft picks.

The problem with that is that a lot of the team culture we have just built walks out the door.

We could be in business for a sign and trade for the right FA. I am convinced that if there was a FA we really wanted, we could get it done. For instance, if AD suddenly he wants a reunion with Monty and to create a dynasty in Phoenix, we could get his signing done somehow (just an example).

[Ghost of Kleine]

Not sure what Saric's cap hold is, but before that we are at around $91.7.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/PHO.html

We also have a team option on Frank so that won't count against us. I don't think the free agent ppol is that good. We could probably sign someone though before re-signing Saric and Baynes if we keep him, but in that case Baynes would have a cap hold too before re-signing him that would eat into what we can use to sign people.

Thanks for the info man. I believe that Saric has a cap hold os around 10.4 million according to sportstrack.com after we extended the 4.7 million qualifying offer to make him a restricted free agent for us.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/phoenix-suns/dario-saric-15364/.

But it's my hope is( not to get too far ahead of myself) that IF the opportunity presents itself, we could let Tyler Johnson expire giving us around 19 million, Then decline the team option for Kaminsky, that should give us around perhaps 25 million??? Then we decline Diallos' 1.6 million giving us now around 26-27 million? So we resign Baynes first( Priority #1 due to his impact on the team's toughness). Hopefully get him for 8-10? Then are left with around 17-18 million for free agency. Decline Diallos' 1.6 million, Now giving us around 19-20 million after resigning Baynes!

But IF Sarics' cap hold is at 10.4 million, Doesn't that knock us down to around 9-10 million or so anyways towards what we have available to offer?

Perhaps, before resigning Saric last, We can target and apply that 10 million straight towards Harrell to address our frontcourt needs, or ( ***If he's out of our price range) We can then opt to save cap and go lower cost by signing Joe Harris for around 8 million, Then offer either Noah Vonleh or Patrick Patterson 2 million per. Resign saric for 8-10( hopefully around 8 million) Then resign Carter with what's left over?

Or we could just go really cheap on one year deals, and sign Vonleh at 2 million, offer Pau Gasol around 4, Korkmaz for 2 and then resign Jevon Carter for using whatever is left??

So essentially we'd just be swapping out Tyler Johnson, Kaminsky and Diallo for Noah Vonleh (interchangeable defensive versatility, size at 6'9 and shotblocking) , Gasol( ***size at 7'1, also championship experience + Rubio connection)and Furkan Korkmaz ( a budget version of Joe Harris with size at 6'7, and knockdown shooting).

Again we are not going to have the cap space your are suggesting. So think about it this way and in this order ...

1) Draft a rookie to carry the lunch pails
2) Waive rights to Tyler Johnson, Carter, Diallo, and Okobu
3) Sign Tyler Johnson to bi-annual exception (About $4m)
4) Sign a free agent vet that fills holes we really need filled (backup PF) using $10M mid-level exception
5) Sign Baynes for whatever we want to pay ($8M - $15M)
6) Sign Saric for whatever we want to pay ($8M - $15M)
7) Bring back Carter on a vet minimum deal

Rubio/Jerome/Carter/Lecque
Booker/Tyler Johnson/Bridges
Oubre/Cam Johnson/Bridges
Saric/FA/Kaminsky
Ayton/Baynes/Kaminsky

Rookie would be best player available

Edit: And if I had my choice I'd see if Milsap would come to the Suns for the $10M mid-level exception

Thank you for the clarification and information on this man, The CBA still confuses me a bit obviously as it pertains to cap holds, and how they affect expiring and restricted players with bird rights.

But your information certainly helps. And I appreciate it. Having said that, I'd be quite pleased with your scenario, in which we are able to maintain our current roster in resigning Baynes and Saric. They've just been so beneficial and impactful to our team and they really are key players to resign.

Now, assuming we will as stated only be at around 10 million ( due to both Sarics' and baynes' cap holds)

1- Draft rookie/ Amyr Sylla ( Siakim potential). And can be a multi positional defender for us.

2- Renounce all of the players mentioned except Javon Carter, as he's pretty awesome defensively, And my hope is to resign him using our last bit of cap space( veterans minimum)***.

3- I'd let Tyler Johnson walk , and just have Ty Jerome and Jevon Carter man the backup point guard duties for now. Use 2 million of that bi annual money on resigning carter, and the other two million for a player like furkan Korkmaz ( who has size at 6'7 and can shoot lights out at a bargain). Or just bring back troy Daniels at 2 million ( 1 yr deal)?

4- Using the midlevel exception, I'd still look to offer Montrezl Harrell around 10 million, and IF he falls out of our price range, Then offer Derrick Favors the full 10, and if we don't land either player, Then at that point, just split the money between Noah Vonleh at 4 ( 1 year deal) and the other 4 or so to Patrick Patterson perhaps ( for 1 year deal) as he can play power forward, plays great positional defense and can really stroke the 3.

5- Resign Baynes at 8-10 million.
6- Resign Saric at 10-12 million.

Ideally We enter the offseason with this type of roster: ( ** rookie Amyr Sylla).

Rubio/ Jerome/Carter.
Booker/ Korkmaz/ Bridges.
Oubre/ Vonleh/ Cam Johnson.
Saric/ Harrell/ Vonleh or Patterson?(* Amyr Sylla)?
Ayton/ Kaminsky/ Vonleh ( *Amyr Sylla)?

**** I would be all for Milsapp, IF he were willing to sign here. But I just don't think he'll leave a better team in Denver to play for us.

And both Vonleh and Sylla can play multiple positions defensively as well.

[bigfoot]

So. We could get to about $32 million in cap space IF:

We decline TJohnson, Saric, Baynes, Carter, and Harper.
We use the team options to decline Kaminsky and Diallo.
We trade away our draft picks.

The problem with that is that a lot of the team culture we have just built walks out the door.

We could be in business for a sign and trade for the right FA. I am convinced that if there was a FA we really wanted, we could get it done. For instance, if AD suddenly he wants a reunion with Monty and to create a dynasty in Phoenix, we could get his signing done somehow (just an example).

I've always felt continuity should be a big factor in the makeup of a good team. Once you have a winning culture bringing in 2-3 new players max with one being a rookie would seem to be a better way to go. During SSOL there was so much turnover from year-to-year-to-year. Now if we go out and trade for a superstar then a big roster change will happen; otherwise let these guys learn to play together.

[bwgood77]

So. We could get to about $32 million in cap space IF:

We decline TJohnson, Saric, Baynes, Carter, and Harper.
We use the team options to decline Kaminsky and Diallo.
We trade away our draft picks.

The problem with that is that a lot of the team culture we have just built walks out the door.

We could be in business for a sign and trade for the right FA. I am convinced that if there was a FA we really wanted, we could get it done. For instance, if AD suddenly he wants a reunion with Monty and to create a dynasty in Phoenix, we could get his signing done somehow (just an example).

I've always felt continuity should be a big factor in the makeup of a good team. Once you have a winning culture bringing in 2-3 new players max with one being a rookie would seem to be a better way to go. During SSOL there was so much turnover from year-to-year-to-year. Now if we go out and trade for a superstar then a big roster change will happen; otherwise let these guys learn to play together.

Yeah, if we have a really good team that somehow makes the playoffs, why make changes? Now if someone like Tyler Johnson gets a big offer (doubtful) than we could let him go since we have other guys to back up Booker and Jerome back to be backup PG, but no need to add much other than a 1st round draft pick...wouldn't be surprised if we take another guy with a few years of college experience who could contribute immediately.

[bwgood77]

Why do people respond to Bob8 on the General Board? It's a waste of time. It will be a never ending pointless argument. I suggest if not putting him on ignore (making him a FOE) then just ignoring his posts like he doesn't exist.

[Qwigglez]

So. We could get to about $32 million in cap space IF:

We decline TJohnson, Saric, Baynes, Carter, and Harper.
We use the team options to decline Kaminsky and Diallo.
We trade away our draft picks.

The problem with that is that a lot of the team culture we have just built walks out the door.

We could be in business for a sign and trade for the right FA. I am convinced that if there was a FA we really wanted, we could get it done. For instance, if AD suddenly he wants a reunion with Monty and to create a dynasty in Phoenix, we could get his signing done somehow (just an example).

I've always felt continuity should be a big factor in the makeup of a good team. Once you have a winning culture bringing in 2-3 new players max with one being a rookie would seem to be a better way to go. During SSOL there was so much turnover from year-to-year-to-year. Now if we go out and trade for a superstar then a big roster change will happen; otherwise let these guys learn to play together.

Yeah, if we have a really good team that somehow makes the playoffs, why make changes? Now if someone like Tyler Johnson gets a big offer (doubtful) than we could let him go since we have other guys to back up Booker and Jerome back to be backup PG, but no need to add much other than a 1st round draft pick...wouldn't be surprised if we take another guy with a few years of college experience who could contribute immediately.

I agree that continuity is a major reason for a team's overall success from year to year. The main concern for me is if guys are comfortable in the role they are in or if they want an increased bigger role. For example, I'm not certain Kaminsky came here on a two-year deal to play backup minutes when he is going to enter his prime soon. If he is okay with the limited minutes, then great, but I can see him looking for a bigger payday once his contract is up. We brought Kaminsky in so he can resurrect his career since he has been a disappointment so far. The guys Jones has brought in I feel have been carefully vetted as guys that may have been overlooked and want a chance at redemption through hard work and discipline.

I like the philosophy James Jones has brought in when it comes to drafting, grabbing 1st round picks with quality college backgrounds instead of these one and done guys that have been more or less bust than boom (at least for us anyway). It appears we are going the route that has made the Spurs so successful over the course of the last 20 years. Have our core guys and replace the role players.

The thing about this off-season is we are over the cap if we maintain our current roster. We'd have to renounce our bird rights to Tyler Johnson, Dario Saric, Aron Baynes, and decline our team option on Frank Kaminsky if we want to have any significant cap space. I'd prefer to keep everyone and use our MLE on a free agent that can help bolster our bench unit. Belinelli would be a savvy veteran sniper, but I feel he is too old. Crabbe or Hood could be an interesting option. Two way players would be harder to come by and would likely want a much larger role than we'd be able to give. I'd love to somehow get Ibaka and keep Saric but I don't think that is feasible.

[sunsbg]

Why do people respond to Bob8 on the General Board? It's a waste of time. It will be a never ending pointless argument. I suggest if not putting him on ignore (making him a FOE) then just ignoring his posts like he doesn't exist.

I had an issue with Luka's fans acting like they knew all along how good stat-wise he'll be his first years and he was the obvious right pick at #1, while predicting he'll score 20ppg in 7 years only 2 years ago. Also acting like he's not a ball-dominant player and has nothing in common with ballhogs like Harden and Westbrook. No one, who watches EL games can expect he'll play like this:

https://youtu.be/wyUax_09YR8?t=87

Basically Suns from last year with Booker trying to score, while all others stand in the corner watching. He did score, but it's still bad basketball. For the deciding shot he had from almost half-court in a previous game in Europe he'll get :

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1908633

Anyway, I'm done with arguing Luka fanboys and will stick to watching the Suns play good team basketball.