MVP

LAKESHOW · Post #1 » by **LAKESHOW** » Wed Nov 13, 2019 1:20 am

Lamar Jackson is in the lead imo and making a strong case every weekend.

Post #2 » by **Cactus Jack** » Wed Nov 13, 2019 2:39 am

No poll?

Post #3 » by **jwise44** » Wed Nov 13, 2019 2:21 pm

I want mccaffrey to win it

bluejerseyjinx · Post #4 » by **bluejerseyjinx** » Wed Nov 13, 2019 2:37 pm

Currently, I have it between McCaffrey and Russell Wilson. leaning towards Wilson however.

Mamba Mentality · Post #5 » by **Mamba Mentality** » Wed Nov 13, 2019 4:11 pm

I've been on the DeShaun Watson MVP bandwagon all season. More than likely just a two horse race though between Wilson and Jackson, the latter being the favorite imo.

Post #6 » by **HMFFL** » Wed Nov 13, 2019 5:09 pm

According to Vegas this is where the rankings are. I do agree that Wilson has a slight lead.

Russell Wilson

Lamar Jackson

Deshaun Watson

Aaron Rodgers

Patrick Mahomes

Christian McCaffrey

Dalvin Cook

Kirk Cousins

Tom Brady

Jimmy Garoppolo

Dak Prescott

Drew Brees

Carson Wentz

Aaron Jones

Michael Thomas

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Post #7 » by **Cactus Jack** » Wed Nov 13, 2019 7:52 pm

Give the edge to Lamar

Papi_swav · Post #8 » by **Papi_swav** » Sat Nov 16, 2019 4:54 pm

Russell Wilson/ Lamar Jackson/ Deshaun Watson/ McCaffrey/ Aaron Rodgers. it will be between those guys. I think it's a 3 man race with Russell, Lamar and Watson. Whoever finishes the strongest will be the front runner. I taking Lamar because obviously I'm bias. But if he finish with 3,500 passing yards and 1,200 rushing yards like projections say and with a 12-4 record, I think it's a done deal.

Mamba Mentality · Post #9 » by **Mamba Mentality** » Mon Nov 18, 2019 4:33 pm

RIP to my Watson endorsement.

Post #10 » by **Cactus Jack** » Mon Nov 18, 2019 6:04 pm

1. Jackson
2. Wilson
3. McCaffrey

bluejerseyjinx · Post #11 » by **bluejerseyjinx** » Mon Nov 18, 2019 8:51 pm

1) Wilson
2) McCaffrey
3) Prescott
4) Rodgers

Papi_swav · Post #12 » by **Papi_swav** » Fri Dec 13, 2019 3:39 am

It's not even a debate anymore. Lamar can sit the final 2 games of the year and it's undoubtedly his. GOAT

Post #13 » by **Cactus Jack** » Fri Dec 13, 2019 4:43 am

Cactus Jack wrote:
Papi_swav wrote:It's not even a debate anymore.

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-what-is-pff-war-and-why-it-shows-russell-wilson-is-the-mvp

WHO IS THE MVP THIS YEAR?

So, everyone wants to know: who is the most valuable player this year? Despite Lamar Jackson’s effect on the Ravens (which is sizeable), the most valuable player in the NFL this season has been Seattle quarterback Russell Wilson.

In 908 snaps this season, the eighth-year pro has earned 3.1 wins above replacement, almost a full win more than the next-highest player in Dak Prescott (2.2). What’s most impressive about Wilson is that he’s accounted for over half of his team’s total WAR. Seattle is fifth among all NFL teams in cumulative player WAR through the first 14 weeks of the season, but only 19th if you don’t count quarterbacks.

The other MVP frontrunner, Jackson, is sixth in WAR (1.7 wins) through 14 weeks, as his Ravens are second in the NFL in WAR generated by non-quarterbacks and first in WAR generated by offensive linemen. Thus our grading system, and the PFF WAR model built off it, appears to be capturing the fact that Wilson is doing a great deal of the work for the Seahawks, while the Ravens are more of a team effort.

I beg to differ. :wink:

lobosloboslobos · Post #14 » by **lobosloboslobos** » Fri Dec 13, 2019 4:51 am

Cactus Jack wrote:
Cactus Jack wrote:
Papi_swav wrote:It's not even a debate anymore.

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-what-is-pff-war-and-why-it-shows-russell-wilson-is-the-mvp

WHO IS THE MVP THIS YEAR?

So, everyone wants to know: who is the most valuable player this year? Despite Lamar Jackson’s effect on the Ravens (which is sizeable), the most valuable player in the NFL this season has been Seattle quarterback Russell Wilson.

In 908 snaps this season, the eighth-year pro has earned 3.1 wins above replacement, almost a full win more than the next-highest player in Dak Prescott (2.2). What’s most impressive about Wilson is that he’s accounted for over half of his team’s total WAR. Seattle is fifth among all NFL teams in cumulative player WAR through the first 14 weeks of the season, but only 19th if you don’t count quarterbacks.

The other MVP frontrunner, Jackson, is sixth in WAR (1.7 wins) through 14 weeks, as his Ravens are second in the NFL in WAR generated by non-quarterbacks and first in WAR generated by offensive linemen. Thus our grading system, and the PFF WAR model built off it, appears to be capturing the fact that Wilson is doing a great deal of the work for the Seahawks, while the Ravens are more of a team effort.

I beg to differ.

You can differ all you want but there is in fact no debate at this point. Jackson is #1 in TD passes (and by a wide margin, despite being #25 in pass attempts) and QBR while also being among the top 10 rushers in the league (leading all rushers in yards per carry at 6.7) and leading his team to a 12-2 record while defeating every one of his MVP rivals. It's ovah.

Post #15 » by **Cactus Jack** » Fri Dec 13, 2019 4:56 am

lobosloboslobos wrote:
Cactus Jack wrote:
Cactus Jack wrote:https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-what-is-pff-war-and-why-it-shows-russell-wilson-is-the-mvp

I beg to differ.

You can differ all you want but there is in fact no debate at this point. Jackson is #1 in TD passes (and by a wide margin, despite being #25 in pass attempts) and QBR while also being among the top 10 rushers in the league (leading all rushers in yards per carry at 6.7) and leading his team to a 12-2 record while defeating every one of his MVP rivals. It's ovah.

Lamar will win. But is he the most valuable player? This says otherwise. :wink:

The MVP goes to the best player on the best team. Not always the "Most Valuable". :wink:

Papi_swav · Post #16 » by **Papi_swav** » Fri Dec 13, 2019 5:03 am

Cactus Jack wrote:
lobosloboslobos wrote:
Cactus Jack wrote:I beg to differ.

You can differ all you want but there is in fact no debate at this point. Jackson is #1 in TD passes (and by a wide margin, despite being #25 in pass attempts) and QBR while also being among the top 10 rushers in the league (leading all rushers in yards per carry at 6.7) and leading his team to a 12-2 record while defeating every one of his MVP rivals. It's ovah.

Lamar will win. But is he the most valuable player? This says otherwise.

The MVP goes to the best player on the best team. Not always the "Most Valuable".

Did you see how the Ravens play when RG3 is in? Lamar is our offense and team. He is the engine. If he got injured earlier in the year, we're definitely not making the playoffs. His 7 minute drives gives our defense all the rest it needs which is a part why they play well. He's breaking NFL records ! It's over bro, the fat lady done sang.

Papi_swav · Post #17 » by **Papi_swav** » Fri Dec 13, 2019 5:09 am

Cactus Jack wrote:
lobosloboslobos wrote:
Cactus Jack wrote:I beg to differ.

You can differ all you want but there is in fact no debate at this point. Jackson is #1 in TD passes (and by a wide margin, despite being #25 in pass attempts) and QBR while also being among the top 10 rushers in the league (leading all rushers in yards per carry at 6.7) and leading his team to a 12-2 record while defeating every one of his MVP rivals. It's ovah.

Lamar will win. But is he the most valuable player? This says otherwise.

The MVP goes to the best player on the best team. Not always the "Most Valuable".

Yes, but that doesn't change anything. Let's take it play by play. I put this on the game discussion, I think I'll put it here too.

#1 in the WHOLE NFL .
Just clinched AFC North. Seattle might be 2nd in their division which will put them in wild card. Wilson laid an egg last week in a crucial moment of his season. Lamar haven't folded yet.

Beat top teams Pats, Seahawks, Texans, Bills, 49ers and destroyed Rams. The same team that destroyed you guys. Not only have we just beat these teams, we annihilated most of the teams. It was a SPANKING. Lead by Lamar.

33 Passing TDs this year and leading the league even though "he's not an accurate passer".

Top 10 in rushing yards (as a QB) #5 right now before the rest of NFL plays. Just broke NFL rushing yards record

7 more TDs by rushing. That's 40 TDs overall. Nobody even comes close.

109.2 Passer Rating (#4) which will be higher after tonight's game. Russell is behind him at #5. Had a perfect Passer rating in 2 games this season.

Highest QBR in the league by far at 79.8 which will be higher. Wilson at 70.8 at #4.

The most electrifying player this season by far. A walking highlight reel . The headline of this season.

Not discrediting Wilson at all, he's having a tremendous season too but he just falls right behind LJ and his Lamarvelous season. Can't penalize the Ravens for putting the right "team" around Lamar. McCaffrey and many experts and players have already said it's a done deal. Sorry bud, any other year it would of been Russell, but LJ became great too quick.

Post #18 » by **Cactus Jack** » Fri Dec 13, 2019 5:12 am

Papi_swav wrote:
Cactus Jack wrote:
lobosloboslobos wrote:
You can differ all you want but there is in fact no debate at this point. Jackson is #1 in TD passes (and by a wide margin, despite being #25 in pass attempts) and QBR while also being among the top 10 rushers in the league (leading all rushers in yards per carry at 6.7) and leading his team to a 12-2 record while defeating every one of his MVP rivals. It's ovah.

Lamar will win. But is he the most valuable player? This says otherwise.

The MVP goes to the best player on the best team. Not always the "Most Valuable".

Did you see how the Ravens play when RG3 is in? Lamar is our offense and team. He is the engine. If he got injured earlier in the year, we're definitely not making the playoffs. His 7 minute drives gives our defense all the rest it needs which is a part why they play well. He's breaking NFL records ! It's over bro, the fat lady done sang.

I'm not saying he won't win it. He certainly will. Mainly because Russ has to carry a below average football team every week.

What’s most impressive about Wilson is that he’s accounted for over half of his team’s total WAR. Seattle is fifth among all NFL teams in cumulative player WAR through the first 14 weeks of the season, but only 19th if you don’t count quarterbacks.

Meanwhile, the Ravens are second in the NFL in WAR generated by non-quarterbacks and first in WAR generated by offensive linemen.

Russ has a cap hit of $26 million. Lamar is making peanuts. Thus Baltimore is able to surround him with far more talent. Which they have.

lobosloboslobos · Post #19 » by **lobosloboslobos** » Fri Dec 13, 2019 4:15 pm

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2866787-lamar-jackson-cements-his-status-as-nfl-mvp-and-king-of-dual-threat-qbs

this article makes the case pretty well...

bluejerseyjinx · Post #20 » by **bluejerseyjinx** » Sun Jan 12, 2020 4:44 am

Cactus Jack wrote:
lobosloboslobos wrote:
Cactus Jack wrote:I beg to differ.

You can differ all you want but there is in fact no debate at this point. Jackson is #1 in TD passes (and by a wide margin, despite being #25 in pass attempts) and QBR while also being among the top 10 rushers in the league (leading all rushers in yards per carry at 6.7) and leading his team to a 12-2 record while defeating every one of his MVP rivals. It's ovah.

Lamar will win. But is he the most valuable player? This says otherwise.

The MVP goes to the best player on the best team. Not always the "Most Valuable".

This effort based on what he did in last years playoff loss will change the discussion. MVP is still up for grabs imho.