Markelle Fultz Updates Thread

[fendilim]

And now it is Season No. 3: As recently as July, I’m told, Fultz had remained restricted to shooting jumpers from a maximum distance of 15 feet. The Magic weren’t sure until September that he would be able to participate in training camp. Then on Nov. 2, with Orlando’s offense sputtering, Coach Steve Clifford moved Fultz into the starting lineup ahead of the veteran point guard D.J. Augustin.

“It was a goal I had, but I wouldn’t say it was like the best thing that ever happened,” Fultz said in Dallas last week, insisting on a modest tone as we chatted at his locker.

Re-reading this article got me thinking, management already knew Fultz is having a hard time recovering, and wasn't even sure until September if Fultz will be healthy enough to play, but we didn't even try to acquire a 3rd point guard?

[Knightro]

Re-reading this article got me thinking, management already knew Fultz is having a hard time recovering, and wasn't even sure until September if Fultz will be healthy enough to play, but we didn't even try to acquire a 3rd point guard?

MCW is the 3rd point guard.

[pepe1991]

To me article just confirmed what i thought was truth from the begining.
76ers would never consider trading Fultz if their medical stuff wasn't 100% convinced "1# pick" version of Fultz is gone for good.

Whole Fultz saga will at end of day, this, next or in two years finish with him doing shoulder surgery. I just don't know why it wasn't done already.

[PrimeThyme]

To me article just confirmed what i thought was truth from the begining.
76ers would never consider trading Fultz if their medical stuff wasn't 100% convinced "1# pick" version of Fultz is gone for good.

Whole Fultz saga will at end of day, this, next or in two years finish with him doing shoulder surgery. I just don't know why it wasn't done already.

Haven't you been saying from the beginning that its all in his head? Pretty sure I remember you saying all summer that the shoulder injury was just a coverup for his yips and mental issues.

[pepe1991]

To me article just confirmed what i thought was truth from the begining.
76ers would never consider trading Fultz if their medical stuff wasn't 100% convinced "1# pick" version of Fultz is gone for good.

Whole Fultz saga will at end of day, this, next or in two years finish with him doing shoulder surgery. I just don't know why it wasn't done already.

Haven't you been saying from the beginning that its all in his head? Pretty sure I remember you saying all summer that the shoulder injury was just a coverup for his yips and mental issues.

There is still no logical reason from scientific perspective why somebody can shoot 15 footers and can't shoot 25 footers. Mechanics are the same. Even Stein in his article yesterday still mentioned mental thing
Weren't you poster who posted how trade was "robbery" ?

[PrimeThyme]

To me article just confirmed what i thought was truth from the begining.
76ers would never consider trading Fultz if their medical stuff wasn't 100% convinced "1# pick" version of Fultz is gone for good.

Whole Fultz saga will at end of day, this, next or in two years finish with him doing shoulder surgery. I just don't know why it wasn't done already.

Haven't you been saying from the beginning that its all in his head? Pretty sure I remember you saying all summer that the shoulder injury was just a coverup for his yips and mental issues.

There is still no logical reason from scientific perspective why somebody can shoot 15 footers and can't shoot 25 footers. Mechanics are the same. Even Stein in his article yesterday still mentioned mental thing
Weren't you poster who posted how trade was "robbery" ?

I'm not trying to call you out or anything. It was an honest question. The trade still has the potential to be a robbery imo. Depending on Fultz's health. I see why Philly did it regardless though.

[pepe1991]

Haven't you been saying from the beginning that its all in his head? Pretty sure I remember you saying all summer that the shoulder injury was just a coverup for his yips and mental issues.

There is still no logical reason from scientific perspective why somebody can shoot 15 footers and can't shoot 25 footers. Mechanics are the same. Even Stein in his article yesterday still mentioned mental thing
Weren't you poster who posted how trade was "robbery" ?

I'm not trying to call you out or anything. It was an honest question. The trade still has the potential to be a robbery imo. Depending on Fultz's health. I see why Philly did it regardless though.

I'm conflicted and don't know what to think. To me it makes zero sense why he didn't do surgery and just waited with physical therapy for 1 full year. And then you see reports like one yesterday that Weltman and Hammond didn't know would he be able to play by September. And how he still has sorness. He can't do physical therapy his whole career, especially through 82 games schedule and even if he can, his condition will just get worst with all bumps and falls every game.

How to even evaluate him as player ? He should be 3rd year player, but by experience he is not.
He should be 1# pick and kept by that standards, but is that even fair at this stage?
Will history remember him as one of most baffling cases in sports history?
Why somebody can shoot from one distance without issuse, yet moving 3 steps back he looks like he is being possessed by ghoust of Lonzo Ball and his holindg a fart and trowing a brick jumpshot.

As from team and how they handle him, i don't think starting him already was smart move. It's a Elfrid Payton-ining player for no reason ,telling him that he is already good to be a starter, when it's clear he is not. Also it will be impossible to remove him from starting 5 now no matter what without destryoing trust.

[yoyojw17]

To me article just confirmed what i thought was truth from the begining.
76ers would never consider trading Fultz if their medical stuff wasn't 100% convinced "1# pick" version of Fultz is gone for good.

Whole Fultz saga will at end of day, this, next or in two years finish with him doing shoulder surgery. I just don't know why it wasn't done already.

Haven't you been saying from the beginning that its all in his head? Pretty sure I remember you saying all summer that the shoulder injury was just a coverup for his yips and mental issues.

There is still no logical reason from scientific perspective why somebody can shoot 15 footers and can't shoot 25 footers. Mechanics are the same. Even Stein in his article yesterday still mentioned mental thing
Weren't you poster who posted how trade was "robbery" ?

It makes sense to me. Restricting and not being able to shoot at that distance are 2 different things. In order to manage and prevent inflammation is to slowly ramp it up and test the allowable boundaries. Overuse of muscle through repetitive motions is probably what he went through. In order to NOT repeat... you set a plan.... and inch towards your goal.

[swarlesbarkley]

The points in the article make a lot of sense to me and explain why his form looks so different from 15 ft than it does from the 3 point line. He's been shooting beyond 15 ft in games this year with his better form so that gives me hope that gradually he can use that form at the 3.

Pretty impressive that he has hit a few 3s and that the misses haven't been terrible if he's using a motion that's not natural and different from all his other shots!

[MagicStarwipe]

I thought there was a possibility that it was a mental thing, but after watching him this season I'm now fully on the TOS boat.

[Dmagic]

Markelle is not impressing this season at all. In fact, in a bad mood I would be angry about the subject.
He isnt over-performing in any area. In my opinion.
This team lacks leadership at the moment. Why bring in another soft minded individual in Derozan?
JI needs to realize he is the best guy on this team and just start balling
Markelles mind isnt the only ones causing problems on this team however. I think contracts have everybody in everybodies heads, and also the inability for the team to cohere on a level necessary and indicative of a winning team. They need to get serious

[swarlesbarkley]

Markelle is not impressing this season at all. In fact, in a bad mood I would be angry about the subject.
He isnt over-performing in any area. In my opinion.
This team lacks leadership at the moment. Why bring in another soft minded individual in Derozan?
JI needs to realize he is the best guy on this team and just start balling
Markelles mind isnt the only ones causing problems on this team however. I think contracts have everybody in everybodies heads, and also the inability for the team to cohere on a level necessary and indicative of a winning team. They need to get serious

Sounds like you set the bar too high for Fultz to begin with. That's on you - not him.

[JF5]

The points in the article make a lot of sense to me and explain why his form looks so different from 15 ft than it does from the 3 point line. He's been shooting beyond 15 ft in games this year with his better form so that gives me hope that gradually he can use that form at the 3.

Pretty impressive that he has hit a few 3s and that the misses haven't been terrible if he's using a motion that's not natural and different from all his other shots!

Yeah, alot of what I'm seeing is making sense as well. 25 minutes per game plus unwillingness to shoot might stem from him not only not working/having confidence to shoot the 3 or shots in general. But him fearing excessive shot use could flare up his TOS while at the same time using a different shooting motion. Which I believe is wat happened a few games ago with his TOS potentially flaring up.

On top of that I believe more than likely the Magic sort of pressured him back and threatened they wouldn't retain his 4th year if he didnt play atleast for some of this season so they could see what they had with him in and his overall progress. Plus, I believed his camp countered with him playing around 24-25 minutes a game to satisfy upper management. I can really see them shutting him down after a certain point if theyre completely out of the playoff race and happy with the progress he's made so he could rehab some more and be a bit more prepared for next season as the Magic have no problem letting young guys get healthy.

Just a theory...

[Knightro]

Markelle is not impressing this season at all. In fact, in a bad mood I would be angry about the subject.
He isnt over-performing in any area. In my opinion.

Markelle Fultz is shooting 71% at the rim this season. That is elite for a guard.

When he drives to the rim and gets fouled, he's shooting 81.5% from the FT line. That is well above average.

Both of those numbers are extremely workable for any NBA team.

This is MASSIVE if, but if Fultz can develop his shooting to an acceptable level from beyond 15 feet (call it 40% from 15-23 feet and like 30% from 3PT), he's unequivocally a starter and possibly a high end starter in the league with that ability to get to the rim and finish.

[MagicFan101]

Markelle is not impressing this season at all. In fact, in a bad mood I would be angry about the subject.
He isnt over-performing in any area. In my opinion.

Markelle Fultz is shooting 71% at the rim this season. That is elite for a guard.

When he drives to the rim and gets fouled, he's shooting 81.5% from the FT line. That is well above average.

Both of those numbers are extremely workable for any NBA team.

This is MASSIVE if, but if Fultz can develop his shooting to an acceptable level from beyond 15 feet (call it 40% from 15-23 feet and like 30% from 3PT), he's unequivocally a starter and possibly a high end starter in the league with that ability to get to the rim and finish.

Throw in what he already brings as a defender.

Compare all those numbers to the backup PG last year + Simmons and a pick. THAT is the measuring stick for Orlando and by those standards Fultz has been fantastic.

Orlando did not trade away Tatum to use the #1 pick on Fultz. We don’t have to measure him against those standards.

[axl_c_cool]

What we’re people really expecting? #1 Fultz to play 36 minutes 20/6/7?

Markelle has been a bright spot on our team, other than the mentioned above finishing and defending, he clear is our best playmaker and at times I a step ahead of his team mates.

Fultz coming back has shown his mental toughness, not weaknesses. It’s been a good a solid first step, let’s hope he can manage 60-82 games this season, and continue to develop

[Mr Magic Fan]

To me article just confirmed what i thought was truth from the begining.
76ers would never consider trading Fultz if their medical stuff wasn't 100% convinced "1# pick" version of Fultz is gone for good.

Whole Fultz saga will at end of day, this, next or in two years finish with him doing shoulder surgery. I just don't know why it wasn't done already.

Haven't you been saying from the beginning that its all in his head? Pretty sure I remember you saying all summer that the shoulder injury was just a coverup for his yips and mental issues.

There is still no logical reason from scientific perspective why somebody can shoot 15 footers and can't shoot 25 footers. Mechanics are the same. Even Stein in his article yesterday still mentioned mental thing
Weren't you poster who posted how trade was "robbery" ?

No scientific reason? You can't be serious? Work = force x distance. It would require more internal torque generation (from shoulder musculature) to account for the increased distance. Unfortunately for humans most of our joints are class 3 levers with short force arms. Meaning we have to generate a great deal of internal torque to overcome external load.

In TOS, where an element of load thresholds and total workload can be aggravating, the discrepancy in shot distance can make sense biomechanically.

However, I can appreciate your skepticism and wonder myself if there are negative neuroplastic changes at work as well. Specifically, sensitization which leads to the nervous system having lower thresholds for "danger"; thus, increasing pain frequency and intensity. So it's certainly possible that his shoulder is in a good spot structurally but dealing with an irritated nervous system.

I've been impressed with the revamped training and rehabilitation management of this regime. I'm inclined to give them the benefit of the doubt and be optimistic.


Sent from my SM-G930V using Tapatalk

[Optimus_Steel]

Like Dave Steele said on the closing moments against Wash: "A signature play for Markelle Fultz".

[Ruzious]

Like Dave Steele said on the closing moments against Wash: "A signature play for Markelle Fultz".

Great anticipation on that play, and then his length and athleticism took over. One of the best defensive plays I've seen in the NBA this season - and then converting it to a basically game-clinching transition bucket.

[Xatticus]

Like Dave Steele said on the closing moments against Wash: "A signature play for Markelle Fultz".

Great anticipation on that play, and then his length and athleticism took over. One of the best defensive plays I've seen in the NBA this season - and then converting it to a basically game-clinching transition bucket.

I thought it was actually just a really bad decision from Beal. Washington was only down three and had plenty of time. He had turned the corner on Vucevic and seemed to have a relatively easy layup, but opted to kick it out for a three-point attempt instead. He left his feet and Fultz did what any competent defender should've done by jumping the passing lane. I thought the most impressive aspect of the play was how Fultz shrugged off Thomas and Bertans en route to the finish.

I don't really want to take anything away from Fultz, but the circumstances of the game are what made the play so important. We honestly see more impressive defensive plays from MCW and Isaac on a nightly basis.