Around the League - 2019-2020

Kobblehead · Post #521 » by **Kobblehead** » Tue Nov 19, 2019 3:10 am

stormi wrote:rondo was the floor general on those teams and could dominate the game without needing to score 1 point lol

ricky was a top 5 pg in the league ever? show me

We're getting in the weeds here so I'm going to move this to another thread.

Rondo relatively sucked, bro. He was never a top 5 PG. He wasn't even better than a guy like Andre Miller.

Ricky Rubio and Lonzo Ball are playing at peak Rondo level and nobody really cares. Because it's a replacement level starter level of play.

stormi · Post #522 » by **stormi** » Tue Nov 19, 2019 3:13 am

Kobblehead wrote:
stormi wrote:rondo was the floor general on those teams and could dominate the game without needing to score 1 point lol

ricky was a top 5 pg in the league ever? show me

We're getting in the weeds here so I'm going to move this to another thread.

Rondo relatively sucked, bro. He was never a top 5 PG. He wasn't even better than a guy like Andre Miller.

Ricky Rubio and Lonzo Ball are playing at peak Rondo level and nobody really cares. Because it's a replacement level starter level of play.

you're memeing me bro. rondo, paul and deron williams ran the point guard position at one time. go back and watch some film because he was a fantastic player

Kobblehead · Post #523 » by **Kobblehead** » Tue Nov 19, 2019 3:18 am

Rondo would be a nobody if he wasn't name-associated with a prominent Celtics run during the late 2000s.

That's like saying Kendrick Perkins was a Top 15 C during the same period.

Negrodamus · Post #524 » by **Negrodamus** » Tue Nov 19, 2019 3:35 am

Terence Davis starting to figure it out lately.

stormi · Post #525 » by **stormi** » Tue Nov 19, 2019 3:45 am

Kobblehead wrote:Rondo would be a nobody if he wasn't name-associated with a prominent Celtics run during the late 2000s.

That's like saying Kendrick Perkins was a Top 15 C during the same period.

repeating the same wrong argument over and over again doesn't make it right lmfao

Kobblehead · Post #526 » by **Kobblehead** » Tue Nov 19, 2019 3:56 am

Mik317 wrote:Rondo was not a nobody.

Not what you want your first overall to be but still a very valuable player in his prime.

A relative nobody. He was a replacement level starter during a run where a team with 3 hall of famers had success. Rondo's career since then has been a joke and he wasn't even moving the needle during his peak seasons. He was a basic role player. Putting him on a pedestal seems preposterous to me.

Kobblehead · Post #527 » by **Kobblehead** » Tue Nov 19, 2019 3:59 am

Mik317 wrote:You really need to get off this idea that everyone has to be these perfect modern day players to work. You are a slave to your own love of stats.

Hold up, are you having fun with this season and think that our collection of players fit and work? Your posts in gamethreads suggest otherwise.

I'd rather yearn for logical pieces than be a slave to the status quo and mediocre complacency. We know how this story likely ends if we continue down this path. 2nd round exit, players requesting trades, coaches fired. Wouldn't you rather be proactive and get out in front of that?

Mik317 · Post #528 » by **Mik317** » Tue Nov 19, 2019 4:24 am

no I'm not happy but I am also not going to sit around and act like things will ever be fully ideal. Its not a reasonable request. Every single team has somethings that just don't make sense. This idea that we will easily just got get shooters who can penetrate and be willing to do whatever it takes to win including not getting their stats is not going to happen. We will field some guys w/ warts on their games...we will have some of those "nobodies". As great as it would be to have a team full of two way shot creators its not going to happen...so some times having a Rondo in his prime type ( a prime that got cut short by injuries, the team getting old and Rondo's own ego) who while yeah he may not be the perfect PG, with the right set up he can work and help you win a chip.

I am not enjoying this season much BUT that doesn't mean I am just ready to blow it up because its a wonky put together team. It may be a Ben trade but you add one shot creator and this team works w/ ease. Thats with Embiid cloggin up the paint. Thats w/ Josh Richardson being miscast at times. That's with Horford being redundant. Hell we may not even need to trade Ben....I am very frustrated but its not this end of world scenario either....especially since that scenario just doesn't work in reality. Ben can't be traded. There are no coaches that will waltz in midseason and solve everything and blowing it up with panic trades will only lead to the team meshing even less..... so yeah while its not ideal, we have made our bed and the best play is to how time heals all wounds and if not, we will flame out, THEN we can get busy w/ moves and changes...instead of doing so on the fly.

Its not a videogame. You can't just plug and play pieces and have everything work. **** takes time....

eagereyez · Post #529 » by **eagereyez** » Tue Nov 19, 2019 2:49 pm

30/11/9 on 61% TS% at 20 years old.

Man, Doncic is unreal. Forget about Young vs Doncic. Doncic is challenging for the MVP. Everyone who passed on him should lose their job.

the_process · Post #530 » by **the_process** » Tue Nov 19, 2019 2:53 pm

Kobblehead wrote:
Mik317 wrote:You really need to get off this idea that everyone has to be these perfect modern day players to work. You are a slave to your own love of stats.

Hold up, are you having fun with this season and think that our collection of players fit and work? Your posts in gamethreads suggest otherwise.

I'd rather yearn for logical pieces than be a slave to the status quo and mediocre complacency. We know how this story likely ends if we continue down this path. 2nd round exit, players requesting trades, coaches fired. Wouldn't you rather be proactive and get out in front of that?

I 100% agree with you on this.

But I also realize this team isn’t making any big moves until the offseason. The best we could hope for would be a deadline Harris for McCollum type deal.

Kobblehead · Post #531 » by **Kobblehead** » Tue Nov 19, 2019 7:38 pm

The only reason I'm holding out hope for something to get done before this upcoming playoffs is that there was scuttlebut that Brand isn't a big fan of Simmons. The regression of Ben's game, stagnation in the offensive effectiveness, and some possible Brett/Joel chirping could lead to something getting done.

Mik317 · Post #532 » by **Mik317** » Tue Nov 19, 2019 7:54 pm

Ben's contract makes it harder to move him right now ,no?

Kobblehead · Post #533 » by **Kobblehead** » Tue Nov 19, 2019 7:58 pm

Mik317 wrote:Ben's contract makes it harder to move him right now ,no?

I think now is the time to move him.

His $8m or so salary makes him very movable for a rookie contract player. And you can pair him pretty easily with Richardson plus filler to get a highpaid player on another team.

I think his trade kicker only activates once he begins his second contract (2020-2021).

nrok10307 · Post #534 » by **nrok10307** » Tue Nov 19, 2019 10:21 pm

Kobblehead wrote:
Mik317 wrote:Ben's contract makes it harder to move him right now ,no?

I think now is the time to move him.

His $8m or so salary makes him very movable for a rookie contract player. And you can pair him pretty easily with Richardson plus filler to get a highpaid player on another team.

I think his trade kicker only activates once he begins his second contract (2020-2021).

Ben is such a weird fit in this NBA if he doesn't shoot. He has way more value to a team that wants to build around him and minimize his weaknesses. He's clearly not going to be Lebron-level dominant since he cant shoot from outside, he cant bully ball his way to the rim / shies away from contact, and he cant break down players off the dribble in the half court.

There's no way the Sixers are going to build around Ben (they build around Embiid).

Brand has shown the guts to make big trades, hopefully he does it again this year.

SparksFly87 · Post #535 » by **SparksFly87** » Tue Nov 19, 2019 10:24 pm

I love Ben but I like him as a 3/4 that can run a offense not strictly 1.

XtremeDunkz · Post #536 » by **XtremeDunkz** » Tue Nov 19, 2019 10:59 pm

SparksFly87 wrote:I love Ben but I like him as a 3/4 that can run a offense not strictly 1.

People need to realize Bens position is the least of the issues at hand. It doesnt matter what position you are at, if you are not a threat to score in the halfcourt you are a problem in the modern NBA.

If this was the 90s when team werent allowed to run zone defense it would be a different story. But you can put Ben at whatever position you want, his man is still gonna play free safety in half court and make everyones life harder until he learns how to shoot

eyeatoma · Post #537 » by **eyeatoma** » Wed Nov 20, 2019 12:22 am

Kobblehead wrote:
Mik317 wrote:Ben's contract makes it harder to move him right now ,no?

I think now is the time to move him.

His $8m or so salary makes him very movable for a rookie contract player. And you can pair him pretty easily with Richardson plus filler to get a highpaid player on another team.

I think his trade kicker only activates once he begins his second contract (2020-2021).

I think a lot of this will depend on how the team views Embiid's health. If they think that Embiid won't last for long, they won't trade Ben. If not, and if he shows a refusal to develop/grow his shooting profile, then I could see a big shake up.

the_process · Post #538 » by **the_process** » Wed Nov 20, 2019 12:48 am

Mik317 wrote:Ben's contract makes it harder to move him right now ,no?

They got rid of the Base Year Compensation rule on extended contracts.

You could legally do (as an example) Ben, Burke, and Bolden to OKC for SGA, Roberson, and protection removed from owed 2020 1st.

Negrodamus · Post #539 » by **Negrodamus** » Wed Nov 20, 2019 1:15 am

Melo looking a bit plump before the holiday season. Actually playing alright.

Skates · Post #540 » by **Skates** » Wed Nov 20, 2019 5:04 am

CJ McCollum to me is one of the more overrated players in the NBA and not a guy I want to make a move for. Not that he is a bad player, just that he is a scoring guard who is not a point guard and has no size to defend with and his efficiency is pretty meh. If I was dealing someone like Simmons I would much prefer to target Sacramento and Fox and a shooter in return.

Preferably find a way to get a true point guard who can shoot and move Simmons to the 3/4, bring Horford off the bench and tell Simmons to watch videos of Charles Barkley at PF. At PG Simmons has a size advantage he rarely uses on offense since he won't shoot over the guys he easily can, at forward he has a strength and speed and handle advantage he could use in ways similar to Barkley in Charles' early years (with better D and not as good on the boards).