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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Thread: Bulls pick #7 (probably) 

Post#141 » by Hold That » Wed Nov 20, 2019 2:54 am

Jcool0 wrote:28 point game

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I hope we stay away from this kid. another Austin Rivers.
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Post#142 » by kulaz3000 » Wed Nov 20, 2019 3:34 am

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Jcool0 wrote:28 point game

Read on Twitter

I hope we stay away from this kid. another Austin Rivers.


Why do you think that? Besides the fact that they are sons of former NBA players.
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Thread: Bulls pick #7 (probably) 

Post#143 » by Hold That » Wed Nov 20, 2019 3:40 am

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Hold That wrote:
Jcool0 wrote:28 point game

Read on Twitter

I hope we stay away from this kid. another Austin Rivers.


Why do you think that? Besides the fact that they are sons of former NBA players.

I’ve never been enamored with his game even at the high school level. I don’t find him as a player with a super high ceiling. He doesn’t have the athleticism of a Ja westbrook Rose or Wall to make up for his average court vision and he’s not the shooter that Dame and Steph are to compensate for it either. He’s a very good scorer, but to use a Mayweather quote. “He’s a man of many things but a master of nothing” I think that’s applies to Anthony. At the College level he’s gonna feast but pro level I don’t see him being a top 5 PG ever. I think his ceiling is top 10 PG and mostly Kyle Lowry at the NBA level which is still a damn good player. But a superstar by no means.
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Thread: Bulls pick #7 (probably) 

Post#144 » by The Box Office » Wed Nov 20, 2019 5:09 am

Hold That wrote:
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Hold That wrote:I hope we stay away from this kid. another Austin Rivers.


Why do you think that? Besides the fact that they are sons of former NBA players.

I’ve never been enamored with his game even at the high school level. I don’t find him as a player with a super high ceiling. He doesn’t have the athleticism of a Ja westbrook Rose or Wall to make up for his average court vision and he’s not the shooter that Dame and Steph are to compensate for it either. He’s a very good scorer, but to use a Mayweather quote. “He’s a man of many things but a master of nothing” I think that’s applies to Anthony. At the College level he’s gonna feast but pro level I don’t see him being a top 5 PG ever.


This is where I'm at with Cole Anthony, too. He's not getting a lot of assists, but getting tons of buckets against boys. I think I'll move Cole Anthony down to number 4 on my list now. LaMelo is doing his thing against experienced men in a pro league.

Cole Anthony is truly an undersized scoring guard. Not a play maker like Chris Paul, Rondo, Westbrook, and Doncic.

My list now:

4 - Cole Anthony (Walking bucket)
3 - Anthony Edwards (Oladipo type. Can play defense. Power guard)
2 - James Wiseman (That height and defensive prowess. Has a jump shot)
1 - LaMelo Ball (Super court vision. 6-7 height. Nice handles. Proven play maker)
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Thread: Bulls pick #7 (probably) 

Post#145 » by Hold That » Wed Nov 20, 2019 5:54 am

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Why do you think that? Besides the fact that they are sons of former NBA players.

I’ve never been enamored with his game even at the high school level. I don’t find him as a player with a super high ceiling. He doesn’t have the athleticism of a Ja westbrook Rose or Wall to make up for his average court vision and he’s not the shooter that Dame and Steph are to compensate for it either. He’s a very good scorer, but to use a Mayweather quote. “He’s a man of many things but a master of nothing” I think that’s applies to Anthony. At the College level he’s gonna feast but pro level I don’t see him being a top 5 PG ever.


This is where I'm at with Cole Anthony, too. He's not getting a lot of assists, but getting tons of buckets against boys. I think I'll move Cole Anthony down to number 4 on my list now. LaMelo is doing his thing against experienced men in a pro league.

Cole Anthony is truly an undersized scoring guard. Not a play maker like Chris Paul, Rondo, Westbrook, and Doncic.

My list now:

4 - Cole Anthony (Walking bucket)
3 - Anthony Edwards (Oladipo type. Can play defense. Power guard)
2 - James Wiseman (That height and defensive prowess. Has a jump shot)
1 - LaMelo Ball (Super court vision. 6-7 height. Nice handles. Proven play maker)

Wiseman
Edwards
Lamelo
Anthony

Is my top 4 in order
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Post#146 » by LateNight » Wed Nov 20, 2019 4:03 pm

Where do you all have Jordan Nwora? He's got good height, good athleticism and had a consistently solid shooting percentage (from 3 and overall). I've seen one person call him an "excellent" off-ball defender and I think he was ranked 51st in defensive rebounding at one point. However, the big ciriticism seems to be that his lack of quickness limits him as an on-ball defender.

Where do you all think he'll land?

Coming into the season I saw him ranked in the Top 10 in terms of NCAA impact, but it looks like early mocks have him at the end of the first round.... If that's true, I would consider trying to get a late first
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Post#147 » by CoreyVillains » Wed Nov 20, 2019 4:05 pm

LaMelo is very much not doing his thing. He’s making some really nice highlight plays. His passing and ball handling have been superb. BUT his shooting splits are 35/24/73. He’s averaging 14.7ppg on 15.2fga. He is an absolutely atrocious shooter and scorer who doesn’t get to the free throw line. Not to mention how awful he is defensively off the ball. I must be taking crazy pills bc if anything his play should be scaring people.
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Thread: Bulls pick #7 (probably) 

Post#148 » by TheSuzerain » Wed Nov 20, 2019 4:29 pm

Edwards
Hampton
Anton Watson
Samuell Williamson
Onyeka Okongwu
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Post#149 » by JohnnyTapwater » Wed Nov 20, 2019 4:38 pm

Gafford's immediate impact is why we need athletes... I don't know if we do a good job at identifying elite athletes.

Obviously a team is constructed of a balance of skill and ridiculous athletes. What we draft never impresses me on the athletic side of things.
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Post#150 » by TheSuzerain » Wed Nov 20, 2019 10:10 pm

Isaiah Joe going to have a Buddy Hield type breakout?
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Thread: Bulls pick #7 (probably) 

Post#151 » by The Box Office » Thu Nov 21, 2019 3:40 am

TheSuzerain wrote:Edwards
Hampton
Anton Watson
Samuell Williamson
Onyeka Okongwu


Pretty good list. At least you put up yours.

- Okongwu is an interesting prospect since he plays defense and loves to do the dirty work. I like that.
- Great athlete
- But he plays for USC. THAT I don't like. I hate USC. USC prospects usually don't do well in the NBA. Off the top of my head, Taj Gibson is the last one and he wasn't scouted heavily.
- He's undersized at 6-9 for a center. I see power forward.
- On my first impressions, he's not diverse on offense. Catches a lot of lobs.
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Thread: Bulls pick #7 (probably) 

Post#152 » by kulaz3000 » Thu Nov 21, 2019 3:46 am

JohnnyTapwater wrote:Gafford's immediate impact is why we need athletes... I don't know if we do a good job at identifying elite athletes.

Obviously a team is constructed of a balance of skill and ridiculous athletes. What we draft never impresses me on the athletic side of things.


It's because athletes without skills is worthless. It's a fine balance.

Skills should be more valued when it comes to basketball players, look at some of the best young prospects in the league right now, Young, Doncic, and Jokic, are average athletes, but their skill level is what makes them great. Now, you get a player with the combination of skill and athlete, you're looking at a generational player, but in the current climate of the league, you can be an average athlete and still be a dominate player.
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Post#153 » by Rose2Boozer » Thu Nov 21, 2019 5:54 am

One of my favorite sleeper prospects has to be Patrick Williams(FSU). I think he's the perfect small ball four, who has the skills to still excel as a three. Williams playing in the ACC is the perfect platform for him to raise his draft stock. Vernon Carey Jr. will have the same type of platform to show out. He's another sleeper who has a great opportunity to play himself into the lottery.
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Thread: Bulls pick #7 (probably) 

Post#154 » by JohnnyTapwater » Thu Nov 21, 2019 6:16 pm

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JohnnyTapwater wrote:Gafford's immediate impact is why we need athletes... I don't know if we do a good job at identifying elite athletes.

Obviously a team is constructed of a balance of skill and ridiculous athletes. What we draft never impresses me on the athletic side of things.


It's because athletes without skills is worthless. It's a fine balance.

Skills should be more valued when it comes to basketball players, look at some of the best young prospects in the league right now, Young, Doncic, and Jokic, are average athletes, but their skill level is what makes them great. Now, you get a player with the combination of skill and athlete, you're looking at a generational player, but in the current climate of the league, you can be an average athlete and still be a dominate player.


skills without athletics is proven to be worthless on this team. Which is everybody on our team expect for Gafford and Zach. We're not balanced right for this new NBA.
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Thread: Bulls pick #7 (probably) 

Post#155 » by ZOMG » Fri Nov 22, 2019 6:24 am

JohnnyTapwater wrote:
kulaz3000 wrote:
JohnnyTapwater wrote:Gafford's immediate impact is why we need athletes... I don't know if we do a good job at identifying elite athletes.

Obviously a team is constructed of a balance of skill and ridiculous athletes. What we draft never impresses me on the athletic side of things.


It's because athletes without skills is worthless. It's a fine balance.

Skills should be more valued when it comes to basketball players, look at some of the best young prospects in the league right now, Young, Doncic, and Jokic, are average athletes, but their skill level is what makes them great. Now, you get a player with the combination of skill and athlete, you're looking at a generational player, but in the current climate of the league, you can be an average athlete and still be a dominate player.


skills without athletics is proven to be worthless on this team. Which is everybody on our team expect for Gafford and Zach. We're not balanced right for this new NBA.


That's a weird take. Who do you see as being a "non-athletic skills guy" in our current rotation? For instance, I wouldn't call either Lauri or Carter particularly skilled. They both have very big skill-based holes in their games. On Lauri, you could almost say that it was his athletic ability that made the difference in his rookie year, not his skills. He moved nothing like a 7 footer.

Dunn has more athleticism than skill. So does Shaq. Arci is not particularly athletic OR skilled. He gets by on his smarts, hustle and confidence.

This team is missing skill. Lots of it. We certainly have enough athleticism to do some damaga in the NBA. People are beating the Bullls by playing smarter basketball, not by jumping higher.
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Thread: Bulls pick #7 (probably) 

Post#156 » by JohnnyTapwater » Fri Nov 22, 2019 5:31 pm

ZOMG wrote:
JohnnyTapwater wrote:
kulaz3000 wrote:
It's because athletes without skills is worthless. It's a fine balance.

Skills should be more valued when it comes to basketball players, look at some of the best young prospects in the league right now, Young, Doncic, and Jokic, are average athletes, but their skill level is what makes them great. Now, you get a player with the combination of skill and athlete, you're looking at a generational player, but in the current climate of the league, you can be an average athlete and still be a dominate player.


skills without athletics is proven to be worthless on this team. Which is everybody on our team expect for Gafford and Zach. We're not balanced right for this new NBA.


That's a weird take. Who do you see as being a "non-athletic skills guy" in our current rotation? For instance, I wouldn't call either Lauri or Carter particularly skilled. They both have very big skill-based holes in their games. On Lauri, you could almost say that it was his athletic ability that made the difference in his rookie year, not his skills. He moved nothing like a 7 footer.

Dunn has more athleticism than skill. So does Shaq. Arci is not particularly athletic OR skilled. He gets by on his smarts, hustle and confidence.

This team is missing skill. Lots of it. We certainly have enough athleticism to do some damaga in the NBA. People are beating the Bullls by playing smarter basketball, not by jumping higher.



Their sliders are more towards skill than they are athletics...

The bad part is these skills need to be improved too. That's why we have this treadmill team.
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Post#157 » by JockItch43 » Sat Nov 23, 2019 1:49 am

This draft class isn’t making me too excited. Hope I’m wrong.
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Post#158 » by SfBull » Sat Nov 23, 2019 2:23 am

We're going to be a lottery again so let's go with our big draft thread.
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Post#159 » by GimmeDat » Sat Nov 23, 2019 12:32 pm

Imo Vernon Carey is (crude comparison) Greg Monroe.

Don't think he's a top 20 pick. Will be a productive college player though.
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Post#160 » by Rose2Boozer » Sat Nov 23, 2019 4:09 pm

Vernon Carey Jr. put up another 20 and 10 game against the Hoyas.
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