Trade Ideas Thread, 2019-20

[yeahM8]

just thought of this.. probably shouldnt be saying this out loud but seems as tho there is a lot of minutes going to our bench.. are we showcasing our team or are we just 'load managing' our best players

Giving everyone a chance and trying to figure out who fits and who doesn't

seems too logical to me

[Marvel]

just thought of this.. probably shouldnt be saying this out loud but seems as tho there is a lot of minutes going to our bench.. are we showcasing our team or are we just 'load managing' our best players

Giving everyone a chance and trying to figure out who fits and who doesn't

seems too logical to me

Always been like this under Brad.

[Andrew McCeltic]

But why would you make that trade? Hayward is the best player in the deal. He's been rolling when healthy.

I think the question is why Orlando would do it.. we take a step back offensively, but Aaron Gordon is decent and versatile, defensively skilled, and 24, Capela is 25 and approaching DPOY levels, and both are on good deals - combined, they make the same money Hayward does. We’d be elite defensively, strong on the boards, and ready to go as far as Brown and Tatum are able.

The real question is why Orlando would do it - they need scoring, but not at that price.

Not gonna comment on the whole post but you’re severely overrating Capela imo. He doesn’t have the b-ball iq to be a dpoy level player and he’s kinda mediocre as a switching big.

I think his defensive IQ can keep improving - that’s why I said “approaching DPOY” - but you have to explain to my dumb ears how he’s mediocre as a switching big - his capacity to switch is his stand-out quality..

Anyway I forgot the trade doesn’t work because Eric Gordon signed an extension

[Homerclease]

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[Darth Celtic]

Something I have been pondering on a bit for at least the base of a balancing move.
To be done post December 15th when restrictions are removed.

To Sacramento
Vincent Poirier, Semi and a first rounder (Protected Celtics) for Bjelica and Giles
Sacramento are not winning, this adds them a pick, and more cost controlled players at a cheaper price.

To Phoenix
Enes Kanter, Bjelica and Bucks 1st
Phoenix saves on having to pay Baynes in the offseason by getting Kanter who is locked up for a year longer. Bjelica is a floor spacing, defensive PF that the team needs to spread the floor for Ayton up front but still cover for weak perimeter defense.

To Boston
Baynes, Bridges, Giles 3
Boston adds a center than can man the middle with Theis on a nightly basis until Williams is ready. This allows team to maintain the 3 wing lineup as Baynes is defensively sound enough to cover any weaknesses. Bridges is falling out of rotation in Phoenix but will make a good scoring SF off the bench here as we are lacking that. Giles is out of the rotation in Sacramento and could be a cheap flyer for Boston as deep bench depth.

Kemba/Wannamaker/Edwards
Brown/Smart/Langford
Tatum/Bridges/Green
Hayward/GWilliams/Giles
Baynes/Theis/RWilliams

IMO that is bordering on Championship level core and some of the best depth in the league.

Giles is done and Suns are not trading Baynes now that they’re winning for the first time in forever. Especially cause he can be a mentor for Ayton. Bridges i don’t know but they should value him but not sure if they do

They are winning for the first time, but I think all agree that Ayton is far superior to Baynes. And their big weakness/question mark is a floor spacing power forward. I think they can capitalize and make that happen as Bjelica is a very good fit to mentor and play beside Ayton. (baynes can only do 1 of those) Bridges isnt getting minutes, not sure what is going on there but his value should be the piuck they are getting. Kanter gives them a scoring punch off the bench up front.

I am not sure its too far off. But that is open to interpretation.

how many times do we have to say this. We can't trade for Baynes this season unless he is first traded to another team. It's against the CBA.

[Feed Your Head]

Giles is done and Suns are not trading Baynes now that they’re winning for the first time in forever. Especially cause he can be a mentor for Ayton. Bridges i don’t know but they should value him but not sure if they do

They are winning for the first time, but I think all agree that Ayton is far superior to Baynes. And their big weakness/question mark is a floor spacing power forward. I think they can capitalize and make that happen as Bjelica is a very good fit to mentor and play beside Ayton. (baynes can only do 1 of those) Bridges isnt getting minutes, not sure what is going on there but his value should be the piuck they are getting. Kanter gives them a scoring punch off the bench up front.

I am not sure its too far off. But that is open to interpretation.

how many times do we have to say this. We can't trade for Baynes this season unless he is first traded to another team. It's against the CBA.

From this point on, it should be a bannable offense. Along with people calling Hayward, Haywood.

[djFan71]

They are winning for the first time, but I think all agree that Ayton is far superior to Baynes. And their big weakness/question mark is a floor spacing power forward. I think they can capitalize and make that happen as Bjelica is a very good fit to mentor and play beside Ayton. (baynes can only do 1 of those) Bridges isnt getting minutes, not sure what is going on there but his value should be the piuck they are getting. Kanter gives them a scoring punch off the bench up front.

I am not sure its too far off. But that is open to interpretation.

how many times do we have to say this. We can't trade for Baynes this season unless he is first traded to another team. It's against the CBA.

From this point on, it should be a bannable offense. Along with people calling Hayward, Haywood.

Maybe we trade Haywood for Baynes and solve all our problems at once?

[Ernest]

Ok, with all the Baynes talk, we can't trade for him. But here is what could happen:
1. PHX starts to suck.
2. They want to trade players for deadweight and picks and Baynes gets traded.
3. Baynes gets bought out.

If that happens I'd imagine we'd be at the top of his list of places to go. The only problem is that he's probably playing too well for a team to want to buy him out. Maybe another bad team with some young centers they want to develop? Maybe they want to tank, but tanking seems like a terrible stratagy now with the revised lotto odds.

[PtruthP34]

Do the rules prevent a 3 team trade immediately followed by a two team trade as a way around this? Or would owners prevent this? This way Boston can directly compensate both teams involved in facilitating the deal.

I'm not sure how much value I'd be willing to give up, but Baynes belongs on this team. The way things went down this summer does not sit right, even though I credit Ainge for making the hard decisions.

[steefP2]

I think the question is why Orlando would do it.. we take a step back offensively, but Aaron Gordon is decent and versatile, defensively skilled, and 24, Capela is 25 and approaching DPOY levels, and both are on good deals - combined, they make the same money Hayward does. We’d be elite defensively, strong on the boards, and ready to go as far as Brown and Tatum are able.

The real question is why Orlando would do it - they need scoring, but not at that price.

Not gonna comment on the whole post but you’re severely overrating Capela imo. He doesn’t have the b-ball iq to be a dpoy level player and he’s kinda mediocre as a switching big.

I think his defensive IQ can keep improving - that’s why I said “approaching DPOY” - but you have to explain to my dumb ears how he’s mediocre as a switching big - his capacity to switch is his stand-out quality..

Anyway I forgot the trade doesn’t work because Eric Gordon signed an extension

Well maybe I was being a bit hyperbolic but from what i’ve seen he was pretty good but not great as a switching big 2 years ago and he’s struggled ever since to regain that form. Maybe I’m weighing his performances against the warriors too much. Guess it comes down to me thinking he’s just fine. A good defensive center but not a real force. I think Robert Williams might be as good in a year from now, maybe 2. Wouldn’t give up any of our top guys for him.

[100proof]

Giles is done and Suns are not trading Baynes now that they’re winning for the first time in forever. Especially cause he can be a mentor for Ayton. Bridges i don’t know but they should value him but not sure if they do

They are winning for the first time, but I think all agree that Ayton is far superior to Baynes. And their big weakness/question mark is a floor spacing power forward. I think they can capitalize and make that happen as Bjelica is a very good fit to mentor and play beside Ayton. (baynes can only do 1 of those) Bridges isnt getting minutes, not sure what is going on there but his value should be the piuck they are getting. Kanter gives them a scoring punch off the bench up front.

I am not sure its too far off. But that is open to interpretation.

how many times do we have to say this. We can't trade for Baynes this season unless he is first traded to another team. It's against the CBA.

Oh. I thought it was only a 90 day restriction on trading for a player you traded away

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https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/28088068/do-boston-celtics-embiid-sized-hole-their-lineup

Boston has made it clear to anyone who has asked that their core players are absolutely not available. That includes, sources said, both Hayward and Smart, players who have been floated as possible trade chips in the past.

[jirrit]

how many times do we have to say this. We can't trade for Baynes this season unless he is first traded to another team. It's against the CBA.

From this point on, it should be a bannable offense. Along with people calling Hayward, Haywood.

Maybe we trade Haywood for Baynes and solve all our problems at once?

When is Hortford eligible?

[Darth Celtic]

They are winning for the first time, but I think all agree that Ayton is far superior to Baynes. And their big weakness/question mark is a floor spacing power forward. I think they can capitalize and make that happen as Bjelica is a very good fit to mentor and play beside Ayton. (baynes can only do 1 of those) Bridges isnt getting minutes, not sure what is going on there but his value should be the piuck they are getting. Kanter gives them a scoring punch off the bench up front.

I am not sure its too far off. But that is open to interpretation.

how many times do we have to say this. We can't trade for Baynes this season unless he is first traded to another team. It's against the CBA.

Oh. I thought it was only a 90 day restriction on trading for a player you traded away

we caused the rule with the Gary Payton trade for Walker then he was bought out and resigned with us. I was sure he agreed to that before the trade. This way teams can't do that.

[Darth Celtic]

From this point on, it should be a bannable offense. Along with people calling Hayward, Haywood.

Maybe we trade Haywood for Baynes and solve all our problems at once?

When is Hortford eligible?

there is no rule that says we can't trade for Horford because he left via free agency, but there is a hold where recently signed players can't be traded. I think the offseason signings are dec 15th or something like that. Not like it matters, that contract is terrible and we have nothing to match it.

[djFan71]

Maybe we trade Haywood for Baynes and solve all our problems at once?

When is Hortford eligible?

there is no rule that says we can't trade for Horford because he left via free agency, but there is a hold where recently signed players can't be traded. I think the offseason signings are dec 15th or something like that. Not like it matters, that contract is terrible and we have nothing to match it.

I'm pretty sure jirrit was playing along with the Haywood thing.

[RB34]

Any chance we cut Kanter and sign Bogut?

[Fencer reregistered]

Any chance we cut Kanter and sign Bogut?

More likely Poirier.

I must say that we've done better recently with Australian big men than French ones.

[RB34]

Any chance we cut Kanter and sign Bogut?

More likely Poirier.

I must say that we've done better recently with Australian big men than French ones.

Either or..

Bogut can still give us spot defensive minutes and great passing. He could also be a mentor to Timelord. It’s a win win.

[djFan71]

Langford, Semi & Poirier for Aminu & Birch.

Aminu would add depth in the rotation with Theis & Timelord. Adding a mobile tall guy that can hit 3s and defend would be great. Birch is an upgrade over Poirier and he & Kanter could help against the big 5s of the world. Costs Langford which hurts, but with a slight upgrade in bigs this year, we could be legit contenders. Plus, you have Aminu's contract as trade ballast for the draft/summer. (For ex, Kanter/Aminu/picks gets you Myles Turner without losing Theis)

ORL gets out of Aminu's contract when he's been redundant from the start behind AG & Isaac. They get a high-end wing prospect, a wing defender and a downgrade at 3rd string center they can afford. If they both develop, a Fultz/Romeo backcourt could be great. Downside may be losing Slart to the ORL board, though.

Kemba, Smart, Wanamaker
Hayward, Brown, Tatum
Theis, Aminu, RWIII
Kanter, Birch
Grant, Edwards, Green

That's a really deep team of guys that are (mostly) long and can defend and (mostly) hit shots too.