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Post#201 » by danfantastk32 » Wed Nov 20, 2019 7:22 am

HIF wrote:I'm reading everywhere that the Premier league is all over.

Surely people are not that stupid.

Liverpool must be hot favourites but it's mid November. A lot can happen in a week in football let alone 5 months.


Oh man....I don't know what your reading, but we could be 15points clear with 8 games left, and I still wouldn't get too happy. I don't know a team better at f&*^ing this up, than Liverpool. We haven't won in 30-some years...I'm not about to start planning the parade, with 2/3rds of the season left.

We have a brutal Dec ahead of us. Let's talk after that. Any media outlet calling the season over clearly doesn't watch the Prem.
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Post#202 » by danfantastk32 » Wed Nov 20, 2019 7:26 am

Cactus Jack wrote:It's done!

Read on Twitter


Just read it on ESPN too. I find it a curious choice. I tend to think this was prob set up behind the scenes. Real quick turn-around.


On a side note: read that there's some talk of Zlatan joining Liverpool for the remainder. Part of me wants to puke at the idea of that guy rolling in and getting credit for our first Prem title (if it were to happen). But if he can help (I think we could use another striker) I think they'd be fools not to grab him. At this point, I'll name my first-born Zlatan....if it gets us the Prem.
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Post#203 » by The_Brecht » Wed Nov 20, 2019 7:49 am

Can't wait to see Son playing at left back.
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Post#204 » by HIF » Wed Nov 20, 2019 9:54 am

Baphomet wrote:Poch sacked. So long to our best manager in 30 years, you always handled yourself with dignity and grace. I believe it's the correct decision at this point, but I doubt we'll be as good again as the last few years for a long time. Thanks for that night in Amsterdam. It's a heartbreaker that it ended like this. Hope he kills it at his next job... so long as it's not in the Premier League.

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Mourinho is favourite to replace him, followed by Allegri and Ancelotti.


I understand the sacking as there was a chasm developing between Poch and Spurs but I don't think it was clever and the problem was not Poch.

The board thought they were so clever when they bought no-one for two consecutive transfer periods and Poch warned them this was wrong. The price is being paid this season for not having a couple of fresh faces in place earlier.

On top of that the mess with Eriksen and the CBs and WBs has been a joke. They should have been sold ( having already been replaced). With that Spurs would have been in the top 4 right now.

Poch is a good manager and will do well somewhere else. If Manure have any sense they'd sack Solskaer right now and replace him with Poch and team. They won't though - of course!

Will Mourhinho succeed?

I think he's still a great manager and he may well turn them around this season and make the top 4 - or europe at least. Knowing him he can win them a cup too - which will be astounding for spurs. Sadly he'll wreck the club in a couple of years though.

For me the question is how many players will leave in the summer and who will be brought in (in January). that will be the real test.
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Post#205 » by ZoLo » Wed Nov 20, 2019 2:16 pm

The hell are you doing Tottenham? You just take a shat on your philosophy. And then you hire the most expensive mercenary in the world, who will mainly add a lot of trumpesque drama to your club. Of course he´s more than capable to stabilize the team with some ugly football and it kind of works for a short period of time. But I can´t see any longtime compatibility here. He will most likely drag the club down. Not worth the 15m pounds per year.
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Post#206 » by Foye » Wed Nov 20, 2019 6:16 pm

ZoLo wrote:The hell are you doing Tottenham? You just take a shat on your philosophy. And then you hire the most expensive mercenary in the world, who will mainly add a lot of trumpesque drama to your club. Of course he´s more than capable to stabilize the team with some ugly football and it kind of works for a short period of time. But I can´t see any longtime compatibility here. He will most likely drag the club down. Not worth the 15m pounds per year.


They are just 3 points behind 5th spot. No idea why they fired him. Yeah, the results werent good but you have to keep in mind that every year at least two of the big clubs have to miss out on the CL.

This year it will be Tottenham, Arsenal and ManUs turn.
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Post#207 » by Baphomet » Wed Nov 20, 2019 7:46 pm

Whether Mourinho is the right man or not remains to be seen, but I wanted to address a few things about Pochettino from the last year or so. Spurs fans and the media at large rightly loved Poch for his great work in his first three or four seasons at the club, where he instilled a counter-press predicated on youth and energy, and turned us from fringe top four hopefuls into title contenders. It's not really a secret that, a miraculous CL run aside, Spurs have been dismal for pretty much all of 2019. No away league wins since January, and a record of 25 points in the last 24 league matches stretching back to last season is utterly abysmal and is relegation form. Even during the good years, he frequently showed a kind of naive tactical idealism and often lacked a plan B. I don't believe a single top manager on the planet would survive a run like that. The board and players deserve plenty of criticism as well, but when things go south we know where the finger is pointed, for better or worse.

Poch was the darling of North London but football's a business and there's little room for sentiment. Managers who have achieved more have been sacked for less. Ranieri was sacked within months of bringing the league title to Leicester, Mourinho himself sacked not long after winning the title again with Chelsea, Van Gaal within minutes of bringing the FA Cup to Manchester as the first post-Fergie trophy, and Brendo was sacked within a few months of narrowly finishing second and bringing Liverpool closest to the league title in 20+ years (until last season of course). In Poch's case, people will look at the run to the CL final and wonder what happened. I'm not saying those sackings were necessarily moral or that this will be the case with Spurs, but Man United aside those teams are all in good shape now, partly because management took the initiative in attempting to stop the rot before it got out of hand.

We'll see whether or not Mourinho is the right man. I'm nervous because he's one of my favourite managers of all time dating back to his Inter days, and it feels surreal that he's at Spurs now. The man who wins things everywhere he goes meets the club that is roundly mocked for not winning anything. I do like the idea of bringing in a proper bastard who has been there and done it, whether his mentality will rub off on the players in a positive way remains to be seen.

humanrefutation wrote:I think he'll end up managing Barca.


Not sure about that. He'd be a good fit at Barca but he's an Espanyol man, both as a player and manager. I wager he'd be considered a turncoat by a large portion of the city if he were ever to make that move, and Poch doesn't seem like that guy. My guess is Real, PSG or Man United if he elects to stay in England. And to address your other comment, it absolutely will be Poch in a better position in 12 months because he's going to end up at a massive club.

The_Brecht wrote:Can't wait to see Son playing at left back.


Here's a fun fact about this, Poch actually played Son at left wing back a few times a couple seasons ago. Every time it was a disaster, most notably in the cup semi-final against Chelsea where poor Sonny gave away a penalty early on in the game because he was asked to defend.
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Post#208 » by humanrefutation » Wed Nov 20, 2019 7:56 pm

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humanrefutation wrote:I think he'll end up managing Barca.


Not sure about that. He'd be a good fit at Barca but he's an Espanyol man, both as a player and manager. I wager he'd be considered a turncoat by a large portion of the city if he were ever to make that move, and Poch doesn't seem like that guy. My guess is Real, PSG or Man United if he elects to stay in England.


Perhaps, but he's said that he wants to get back to Spain and I doubt he'll be interested in managing someone other than Barca/Real/Atleti. Of those three, Barca is the most likely opportunity opening up in the near future. I highly doubt that Real Madrid is going to sack Zizou after begging for him to come back last spring, and Simeone and Atletico Madrid are basically joined at the hip.

Man U would be the obvious choice if the Glazers are willing to eat the rest of Ole's contract (which was amazingly stupid to give to him at the time) to bring in Poch. If he wants to stick it to Spurs, I could see him taking over for Emery once he gets sacked at Arsenal. I don't think Tuchel is leaving PSG in the near future, though you never know. Another obvious choice is Bayern, though I think they're going to hire Nagelsmann.

One option to keep in mind is whether Pep will leave City after this coming season, making them the obvious choice for Poch if they don't just hand the job to Arteta.
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Post#209 » by Baphomet » Wed Nov 20, 2019 8:09 pm

humanrefutation wrote:Perhaps, but he's said that he wants to get back to Spain and I doubt he'll be interested in managing someone other than Barca/Real/Atleti. Of those three, Barca is the most likely opportunity opening up in the near future. I highly doubt that Real Madrid is going to sack Zizou after begging for him to come back last spring, and Simeone and Atletico Madrid are basically joined at the hip.

Man U would be the obvious choice if the Glazers are willing to eat the rest of Ole's contract (which was amazingly stupid to give to him at the time) to bring in Poch. If he wants to stick it to Spurs, I could see him taking over for Emery once he gets sacked at Arsenal. I don't think Tuchel is leaving PSG in the near future, though you never know. Another obvious choice is Bayern, though I think they're going to hire Nagelsmann.

One option to keep in mind is whether Pep will leave City after this coming season, making them the obvious choice for Poch if they don't just hand the job to Arteta.


Hey man, don't even speak that voodoo about Poch possibly going to Arsenal. Imagine the fume. :lol:

Good points though, I hadn't considered City as an option. Pep would be an incredibly difficult act to follow but Poch has shown he's got some of the chops for a job like that. With unlimited resources to bring in any player and probably the best squad on the planet at his disposal, his tactical stubbornness could actually work out.

Another perhaps less likely bet is the Argentina job, which seems to always be in a state of flux and I don't know how stable Scaloni's position is there. Having said that, it's not too likely that they'd part ways with a manager before they play another major tournament unless the international friendlies and qualifiers go particularly pear-shaped.
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Post#210 » by zhenyasj » Thu Nov 21, 2019 3:19 am

Baphomet wrote:Whether Mourinho is the right man or not remains to be seen, but I wanted to address a few things about Pochettino from the last year or so. Spurs fans and the media at large rightly loved Poch for his great work in his first three or four seasons at the club, where he instilled a counter-press predicated on youth and energy, and turned us from fringe top four hopefuls into title contenders. It's not really a secret that, a miraculous CL run aside, Spurs have been dismal for pretty much all of 2019. No away league wins since January, and a record of 25 points in the last 24 league matches stretching back to last season is utterly abysmal and is relegation form. Even during the good years, he frequently showed a kind of naive tactical idealism and often lacked a plan B. I don't believe a single top manager on the planet would survive a run like that. The board and players deserve plenty of criticism as well, but when things go south we know where the finger is pointed, for better or worse.

Poch was the darling of North London but football's a business and there's little room for sentiment. Managers who have achieved more have been sacked for less. Ranieri was sacked within months of bringing the league title to Leicester, Mourinho himself sacked not long after winning the title again with Chelsea, Van Gaal within minutes of bringing the FA Cup to Manchester as the first post-Fergie trophy, and Brendo was sacked within a few months of narrowly finishing second and bringing Liverpool closest to the league title in 20+ years (until last season of course). In Poch's case, people will look at the run to the CL final and wonder what happened. I'm not saying those sackings were necessarily moral or that this will be the case with Spurs, but Man United aside those teams are all in good shape now, partly because management took the initiative in attempting to stop the rot before it got out of hand.

We'll see whether or not Mourinho is the right man. I'm nervous because he's one of my favourite managers of all time dating back to his Inter days, and it feels surreal that he's at Spurs now. The man who wins things everywhere he goes meets the club that is roundly mocked for not winning anything. I do like the idea of bringing in a proper bastard who has been there and done it, whether his mentality will rub off on the players in a positive way remains to be seen.

humanrefutation wrote:I think he'll end up managing Barca.


Not sure about that. He'd be a good fit at Barca but he's an Espanyol man, both as a player and manager. I wager he'd be considered a turncoat by a large portion of the city if he were ever to make that move, and Poch doesn't seem like that guy. My guess is Real, PSG or Man United if he elects to stay in England. And to address your other comment, it absolutely will be Poch in a better position in 12 months because he's going to end up at a massive club.

The_Brecht wrote:Can't wait to see Son playing at left back.


Here's a fun fact about this, Poch actually played Son at left wing back a few times a couple seasons ago. Every time it was a disaster, most notably in the cup semi-final against Chelsea where poor Sonny gave away a penalty early on in the game because he was asked to defend.

You're spot on. I love Poch, but he's is a better person than an actual tactician. He's made critical mistakes that cost the team over the years, from finishing behind Leicester when the rest of the big clubs had a down year, to stubbornly insisting on playing the diamond, to starting Kane in the CL final. And don't forget that the only reason why Spurs are in the CL this year is because Arsenal and Man Utd bottled it down the stretch last year. No doubt that Poch is responsible for the culture change in the club and getting the best out of his players for several years, but the notion that he's a miracle worker and somehow massively overachieved is nonsense. The team is full of internationals with the best striker in the league.

The Jose experiment is interesting and I think a kick in the butt is exactly what the team needs at this point. I think everyone know how this story will end, but I'm just glad that Levy is finally showing an ambition of a big club.
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Post#211 » by The_Brecht » Thu Nov 21, 2019 7:36 am

I'd take Poch at Arsenal.
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Post#212 » by HIF » Sat Nov 23, 2019 1:23 pm

Baph is smiling again!
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Post#213 » by sovietchild » Sat Nov 23, 2019 4:38 pm

Southampton winning at Arsenal brought me here. It would be epic is they win. Is Arsenal the next team to fire their coach?
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Post#214 » by Baphomet » Sat Nov 23, 2019 4:42 pm

HIF wrote:Baph is smiling again!


Right on mate. I know we still conceded some sloppy late goals, but they looked like a different team the first hour or so. Happy for Spurs, happy for Mourinho, happy that West Ham lost their cup final.

More VAR drama at the Leicester game.
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Post#215 » by Baphomet » Sat Nov 23, 2019 4:44 pm

sovietchild wrote:Southampton winning at Arsenal brought me here. It would be epic is they win. Is Arsenal the next team to fire their coach?


Don't know if Southampton will hold on, but Emery is 100% gone even if Arsenal level it.
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Post#216 » by Cactus Jack » Sat Nov 23, 2019 5:52 pm

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Post#217 » by Cactus Jack » Sat Nov 23, 2019 5:54 pm

Baphomet wrote:
sovietchild wrote:Southampton winning at Arsenal brought me here. It would be epic is they win. Is Arsenal the next team to fire their coach?


Don't know if Southampton will hold on, but Emery is 100% gone even if Arsenal level it.

Is Poch the vengeful type to take that job? :wink:
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Post#218 » by danfantastk32 » Sat Nov 23, 2019 5:59 pm

Baphomet wrote:
sovietchild wrote:Southampton winning at Arsenal brought me here. It would be epic is they win. Is Arsenal the next team to fire their coach?


Don't know if Southampton will hold on, but Emery is 100% gone even if Arsenal level it.


Yeah....you gotta think Emery is out. He's got nothin. I'd never heard of him before....maybe he's god's gift to strategy, and all that...but it ain't happening at Arsenal.
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Post#219 » by Baphomet » Sat Nov 23, 2019 6:01 pm

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Baphomet wrote:
sovietchild wrote:Southampton winning at Arsenal brought me here. It would be epic is they win. Is Arsenal the next team to fire their coach?


Don't know if Southampton will hold on, but Emery is 100% gone even if Arsenal level it.

Is Poch the vengeful type to take that job? :wink:


I don't think so, but we'll see. I don't think he'd take the Barca job for the same reason, given his Espanyol ties.
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Post#220 » by danfantastk32 » Sat Nov 23, 2019 6:01 pm

Now I need a Man-$ity and Chel$ea draw. Come on baby....daddy needs new shoes!

Sorry HIF, but your guys gotta stink it up a couple games. You had your title a couple years back. Good on ya....but It's our turn!

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