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Re: Around the NBA, 2019/20 Edition 

Post#461 » by tiderulz » Wed Nov 20, 2019 1:02 pm

pepe1991 wrote:
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pepe1991 wrote:
Luka is actually average defender, nothing special but doesn't really blow up their defense.
Right now i would take Giannis, mostly because he is more experienced and few years older.
But if you are in playoffs and you need somebody down the streach to make right plays, 2,3 years from now, i would trust Doncic to do it way more than i trust Giannis. Mostly because Doncic already showed in other competitions he is composed and calm in high pressure situations, where Giannis due his lack of shooting is pretty much one trick pony, he'll attack you off high pick&roll and you will set double "wall" of defense in front of him to stop penetration.
One of main reasons Greece still can't do jack ***t with GIannis is how he plays in half court. For same reasons Raptors beat them last year. On open court he is probably the greatest player of all time, but there is no much open court in playoffs.

Oh also Doncic will make his +80% FTs where Giannis nowdays shoots airballs for whatever reason, and his 3 ball is nowhere to be found.

Where Giannis can in some scenario end up being top 5 player ever , i think key for him to unlock " championship" mode is to find elite playmaker. God, imagine if he leaves Bucks for Dallas :lol:


Yea there future playoff performances gonna play a huge role, but we have to see Luka 1st there. I can see Luka be the better future playoff performer for sure. My biggest questionmark is his 3Pt shot, he is well below avg & if i remember correctly was in europe too already. Against playoff defenses designed to stop him, he needs to hit those on a higher clip to make noise in the playoffs. I hope Dallas reaches the playoffs, really wanna watch Luka do some damage there. I'm really curious to see Giannis this year too. Except Philly i can't see a team defending him like Toronto last year (Toronto maybe still does, but Giannis literally destroys Siakam everytime). Philly got the pieces but they don't have any late game playmaker and shot maker at all. I'm not sure Philly even comes out of the 1st round if they doesnt get there **** together. Embiid looks bad so far, even on defense & Simmons is still useless in the 4th quarter.


Luka and Harden are great shooters, but they make thins hard on themselfs.
Do you know that Luka has less assisted 3s than Harden ? :lol:
RIght now it's more about who Luka plays with, it's not like Hardaway or Seth Curry will make plays to get him open.

Philly will have issues with outside shooting, Korkmaz is fine, i still think they should have kept JJ .
Right now they are miserable from outside ( Richardson 31%, Horford 31%, Harris 25,5%).
Bucks biggest adventage over Philly is fact that Simmons plays like poor man Giannis and struggles from same areas, just is much worst.
Embiid looks slow. I was betting for him to score <25 points against Cavs, guy was horrid, scored 14 :lol:
If i'm Celtics i would just push for Adams trade ( or Noel, or any center who can defend) and i'm going for Eastern Conference.

Luka's FT and especially 3pt% says he isnt a "great shooter", (31% at 9 attemtps a game)
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Re: Around the NBA, 2019/20 Edition 

Post#462 » by MagicFan101 » Wed Nov 20, 2019 1:48 pm

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You forgot how nba playoffs in 2018 played out?
Houston got them, 3-2 , and in gamae 7 just couldn't make shots.
And that's against team with prime Durant, Curry, Klay and Green.
Same team that whooped Cavs in finals. So if they didn't have just one of their stars ( like it happend year after, when they got all hurt) Rockets and Harde would have been champions because they were simply waaaay more talented than Cavs.



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Didn’t even try to read? Why bother?



No, you just make false assumption that "Harden isn't winner" or whatever just because he still didn't win title, when in reality his team was never favorite to win one, yet you just ignore that and ignore that in 2018 he was stopped by probably most talented roster in basketball history, and even they needed 7 games to beat Harden led Houston. OH and by the way, his second best player that year, Chris Paul DID NOT PLAY GAME 6 AND GAME 7 of that series.

It's just being ignorant because you don't like somebody, i don't like Harden either, i hate his playing style, but making stuff like "At least one such team along the long playoff road would have been more balanced than the chucking Harden roster." is simply false as Harden led Houston beat: Minessota with Butler and Towns, beat Jazz with Mitchell and Gobert, beat OKC with Westbrook.

He does win games and win playoff series, he just didn't get over a hump. Yet.


How is something which has happened in 100% of the observed cases “simply false”?

You can’t just erase opponents and say if they didn’t exist so-and-so would have won. If Durant didn’t sign in GS he would have signed with another mega team. That is obvious. We have the fact that he left to inform us that he felt his time with OKC had hit a ceiling and he wanted to win. If not GS then maybe he signs with Lebron? Who knows. So you can’t just say award the on the condition of no Golden State.

It isn’t like Houston hasn’t tried to form their own super team. It just never works because Harden’s style limits the effectiveness of other star players. That is part of the problem.

I’ll agree with the Pepe-logic that if no other team is allowed to cluster together stars then sure, Houston and Harden have a chance ... :roll:
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Re: Around the NBA, 2019/20 Edition 

Post#463 » by pepe1991 » Wed Nov 20, 2019 3:21 pm

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pepe1991 wrote:
GelbeWand09 wrote:
Yea there future playoff performances gonna play a huge role, but we have to see Luka 1st there. I can see Luka be the better future playoff performer for sure. My biggest questionmark is his 3Pt shot, he is well below avg & if i remember correctly was in europe too already. Against playoff defenses designed to stop him, he needs to hit those on a higher clip to make noise in the playoffs. I hope Dallas reaches the playoffs, really wanna watch Luka do some damage there. I'm really curious to see Giannis this year too. Except Philly i can't see a team defending him like Toronto last year (Toronto maybe still does, but Giannis literally destroys Siakam everytime). Philly got the pieces but they don't have any late game playmaker and shot maker at all. I'm not sure Philly even comes out of the 1st round if they doesnt get there **** together. Embiid looks bad so far, even on defense & Simmons is still useless in the 4th quarter.


Luka and Harden are great shooters, but they make thins hard on themselfs.
Do you know that Luka has less assisted 3s than Harden ? :lol:
RIght now it's more about who Luka plays with, it's not like Hardaway or Seth Curry will make plays to get him open.

Philly will have issues with outside shooting, Korkmaz is fine, i still think they should have kept JJ .
Right now they are miserable from outside ( Richardson 31%, Horford 31%, Harris 25,5%).
Bucks biggest adventage over Philly is fact that Simmons plays like poor man Giannis and struggles from same areas, just is much worst.
Embiid looks slow. I was betting for him to score <25 points against Cavs, guy was horrid, scored 14 :lol:
If i'm Celtics i would just push for Adams trade ( or Noel, or any center who can defend) and i'm going for Eastern Conference.

Luka's FT and especially 3pt% says he isnt a "great shooter", (31% at 9 attemtps a game)


Out of 9,1 threes a game, only 1,5 he takes are catch&shoot.

For season 70% of his threes are unasisted.

For comparison how crazy is that, this is how many unassisted threes ( by percentage ) Magic players make
Isaac - 0
Fournier 16%
Gordon 23%

Not all 3s are the same.
81,1% at free throw line is 4% above average.

He could take better shots, but 30 ppg on 61% TS is already crazy.
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Re: Around the NBA, 2019/20 Edition 

Post#464 » by tiderulz » Wed Nov 20, 2019 5:11 pm

pepe1991 wrote:
tiderulz wrote:
pepe1991 wrote:
Luka and Harden are great shooters, but they make thins hard on themselfs.
Do you know that Luka has less assisted 3s than Harden ? :lol:
RIght now it's more about who Luka plays with, it's not like Hardaway or Seth Curry will make plays to get him open.

Philly will have issues with outside shooting, Korkmaz is fine, i still think they should have kept JJ .
Right now they are miserable from outside ( Richardson 31%, Horford 31%, Harris 25,5%).
Bucks biggest adventage over Philly is fact that Simmons plays like poor man Giannis and struggles from same areas, just is much worst.
Embiid looks slow. I was betting for him to score <25 points against Cavs, guy was horrid, scored 14 :lol:
If i'm Celtics i would just push for Adams trade ( or Noel, or any center who can defend) and i'm going for Eastern Conference.

Luka's FT and especially 3pt% says he isnt a "great shooter", (31% at 9 attemtps a game)


Out of 9,1 threes a game, only 1,5 he takes are catch&shoot.

For season 70% of his threes are unasisted.

For comparison how crazy is that, this is how many unassisted threes ( by percentage ) Magic players make
Isaac - 0
Fournier 16%
Gordon 23%

Not all 3s are the same.
81,1% at free throw line is 4% above average.

He could take better shots, but 30 ppg on 61% TS is already crazy.

Luka was 84% last year in November and finished at 71. ill wait and see.

And TS benefits on 3 pt and FT's, of which he is getting both. that doesnt mean he is a "great shooter". he seems to be a great "scorer"
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Re: Around the NBA, 2019/20 Edition 

Post#465 » by pepe1991 » Wed Nov 20, 2019 7:06 pm

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tiderulz wrote:Luka's FT and especially 3pt% says he isnt a "great shooter", (31% at 9 attemtps a game)


Out of 9,1 threes a game, only 1,5 he takes are catch&shoot.

For season 70% of his threes are unasisted.

For comparison how crazy is that, this is how many unassisted threes ( by percentage ) Magic players make
Isaac - 0
Fournier 16%
Gordon 23%

Not all 3s are the same.
81,1% at free throw line is 4% above average.

He could take better shots, but 30 ppg on 61% TS is already crazy.

Luka was 84% last year in November and finished at 71. ill wait and see.

And TS benefits on 3 pt and FT's, of which he is getting both. that doesnt mean he is a "great shooter". he seems to be a great "scorer"


Fair enough. Luka should use catch&shoots more, but , just like Harden, their palystyle is best suited as ball dominant players.
Luka's FG% jumped for whooping 5% this year and his eFG is on really nice 55% eFG.
In future imo, key for Doncic lead teams to be contenders is to find defensive minded but still capable of scoring SF.

But time will tell. Imagine being Suns and Kings and passing on him for steroid user and Bagley
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Re: Around the NBA, 2019/20 Edition 

Post#466 » by PrimeThyme » Wed Nov 20, 2019 9:14 pm

Lakers off to a 12-2 start and look like as legit of a contender as any other team up to this point.. As one of the biggest Vogel haters who thought he'd be a fall guy by game 60 this year, I have to give credit where credit is due. They have so many new pieces and he has done a really nice job so far finding lineups that work and getting this team off to a fast start.
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Post#467 » by pepe1991 » Thu Nov 21, 2019 7:03 am

PrimeThyme wrote:Lakers off to a 12-2 start and look like as legit of a contender as any other team up to this point.. As one of the biggest Vogel haters who thought he'd be a fall guy by game 60 this year, I have to give credit where credit is due. They have so many new pieces and he has done a really nice job so far finding lineups that work and getting this team off to a fast start.


Clippers , Lakers, Rockets, they are only nba contenders this year.
Celtics do have nice roster, and i feel like they could move assets to become contender but knowing Danny Ainge, he probably won't do anything.
Vogel isn't terrible coach if team has enough offensive talent to figure things on their own or when he has solid offensive minded assistent. Now he has Lebron and Davis, offense fixes itself and he has nice defensive principles. If i'm not mistaking, Lakers are best defensive team in nba by def rating.
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Re: Around the NBA, 2019/20 Edition 

Post#468 » by SOUL » Thu Nov 21, 2019 8:57 pm

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Re: Around the NBA, 2019/20 Edition 

Post#469 » by NavalAviator94 » Fri Nov 22, 2019 2:58 am

pepe1991 wrote:
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Luka, and I don't even stop to think.

Giannis is a monster, don't get me wrong, but needs a roster constructed around him to be fully maximised. Luka can be plugged into any basketball team and make every player on it better.


But its the same for Luka. Whats the difference of constructing a team with shooting around Giannis & defense around Luka?
I still take Giannis, because you know you got easy a top 5 offense & defense team, with some shooting around him. Dallas got a bunch of high level defenders and are still only 18th in def. rating, because Luka only plays one side of the game. I love watching Luka, even before the NBA, but so far Giannis is the safer bet to get a elite team.


Luka is actually average defender, nothing special but doesn't really blow up their defense.
Right now i would take Giannis, mostly because he is more experienced ( at nba level at least ) and few years older.
But if you are in playoffs and you need somebody down the streach to make right plays, 2,3 years from now, i would trust Doncic to do it way more than i trust Giannis. Mostly because Doncic already showed in other competitions he is composed and calm in high pressure situations, where Giannis due his lack of shooting is pretty much one trick pony, he'll attack you off high pick&roll and you will set double "wall" of defense in front of him to stop penetration.
One of main reasons Greece still can't do jack ***t with GIannis is how he plays in half court. For same reasons Raptors beat them last year. On open court he is probably the greatest player of all time, but there is no much open court in playoffs.

Oh also Doncic will make his +80% FTs where Giannis nowdays shoots airballs for whatever reason, and his 3 ball is nowhere to be found.

Where Giannis can in some scenario end up being top 5 player ever , i think key for him to unlock " championship" mode is to find elite playmaker. God, imagine if he leaves Bucks for Dallas :lol:


I’m not sure they would ever lose a game.


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Re: Around the NBA, 2019/20 Edition 

Post#470 » by NavalAviator94 » Fri Nov 22, 2019 3:01 am

pepe1991 wrote:
tiderulz wrote:
pepe1991 wrote:
Out of 9,1 threes a game, only 1,5 he takes are catch&shoot.

For season 70% of his threes are unasisted.

For comparison how crazy is that, this is how many unassisted threes ( by percentage ) Magic players make
Isaac - 0
Fournier 16%
Gordon 23%

Not all 3s are the same.
81,1% at free throw line is 4% above average.

He could take better shots, but 30 ppg on 61% TS is already crazy.

Luka was 84% last year in November and finished at 71. ill wait and see.

And TS benefits on 3 pt and FT's, of which he is getting both. that doesnt mean he is a "great shooter". he seems to be a great "scorer"


Fair enough. Luka should use catch&shoots more, but , just like Harden, their palystyle is best suited as ball dominant players.
Luka's FG% jumped for whooping 5% this year and his eFG is on really nice 55% eFG.
In future imo, key for Doncic lead teams to be contenders is to find defensive minded but still capable of scoring SF.

But time will tell. Imagine being Suns and Kings and passing on him for steroid user and Bagley


Damn. Pepe telling it like it is.


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Post#471 » by GelbeWand09 » Fri Nov 22, 2019 7:16 am

SOUL wrote:
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Post#472 » by MagicFan101 » Sat Nov 23, 2019 3:10 am

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Post#473 » by GelbeWand09 » Sun Nov 24, 2019 9:53 am

Lavine would be such a great player with some kind of BBIQ. He got such awesome combination of shooting & athletiscm.
The Lauri vs JI discussion, looks pretty good in the moment. :lol: But seriously, he looks like a 7 ft DSJ out there in the moment. Totally lost.

How can you shoot under 50% from the line as a guard, like Barrett ? Its no small sample size anymore :o

That Oubre extension looks good so far.
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Re: Around the NBA, 2019/20 Edition 

Post#474 » by pepe1991 » Sun Nov 24, 2019 3:09 pm

GelbeWand09 wrote:Lavine would be such a great player with some kind of BBIQ. He got such awesome combination of shooting & athletiscm.
The Lauri vs JI discussion, looks pretty good in the moment. :lol: But seriously, he looks like a 7 ft DSJ out there in the moment. Totally lost.

How can you shoot under 50% from the line as a guard, like Barrett ? Its no small sample size anymore :o

That Oubre extension looks good so far.


Lauri dropped off map this year. He literally had 1 good game whole season.
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Post#475 » by pepe1991 » Mon Nov 25, 2019 7:26 am



And last 4 games 20-45 for 3, just for good measurment :lol:
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Post#476 » by drsd » Mon Nov 25, 2019 11:39 am

pepe1991 wrote:Clippers , Lakers, Rockets, they are only nba contenders this year.



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Post#477 » by pepe1991 » Mon Nov 25, 2019 12:23 pm

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pepe1991 wrote:Clippers , Lakers, Rockets, they are only nba contenders this year.



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They are worst than last year.

All 3 Ls they have are against good teams.
Jazz, Celtics and Heat.

I'm still keeping my reservations on playoff Giannis and what he can achive as solo superstar.
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Post#478 » by pepe1991 » Tue Nov 26, 2019 4:44 am

GIannis 50 points ,13 rebounds 6 assists :lol:
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Post#479 » by pepe1991 » Tue Nov 26, 2019 12:30 pm

Marc Gasol officially adopted Embiid.

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Re: Around the NBA, 2019/20 Edition 

Post#480 » by NavalAviator94 » Tue Nov 26, 2019 6:03 pm

This is for all you Vuc haters. Embiid held scoreless against the Raptors last night.

https://www.espn.com/nba/recap?gameId=401160888

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