Future of PG position (in MIN)

[Tukkerwolf]

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So a I was a little surprised that someone in another topic said he didn't want Teague resigned. At all.
I think our best way forward is to resign him, obviously only for a reasonable price. For me that would be somewhere around 20/2. What do you guys think? Let him walk (but then what?), or resign (and then at what max price?)?

There are many factors in play:

0) trade opportunities, Teague main value now is his expiring contract.

Is it? I think he is an overpaid, below average starter, but still a big positive for our team as he's the only player that can dribble the ball. We probably have the team with the worst handles in the league and having someone who can create a little bit and bring some on-ball movement on the team is a positive to me. Both eye-test and statistics-wise...

[minimus]

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So a I was a little surprised that someone in another topic said he didn't want Teague resigned. At all.
I think our best way forward is to resign him, obviously only for a reasonable price. For me that would be somewhere around 20/2. What do you guys think? Let him walk (but then what?), or resign (and then at what max price?)?

There are many factors in play:

0) trade opportunities, Teague main value now is his expiring contract.

Is it? I think he is an overpaid, below average starter, but still a big positive for our team as he's the only player that can dribble the ball. We probably have the team with the worst handles in the league and having someone who can create a little bit and bring some on-ball movement on the team is a positive to me. Both eye-test and statistics-wise...

Since FA market is small, a trade is more realistic way to improve our roster. While Teague is overpaid, his contract can be used to bring here a decent player.

P.S. This is a contract year for him, so I'd expect many good games from him. Next contract might be his last big contract.

[Tukkerwolf]

There are many factors in play:

0) trade opportunities, Teague main value now is his expiring contract.

Is it? I think he is an overpaid, below average starter, but still a big positive for our team as he's the only player that can dribble the ball. We probably have the team with the worst handles in the league and having someone who can create a little bit and bring some on-ball movement on the team is a positive to me. Both eye-test and statistics-wise...

Since FA market is small, a trade is more realistic way to improve our roster. While Teague is overpaid, his contract can be used to bring here a decent player.

P.S. This is a contract year for him, so I'd expect many good games from him. Next contract might be his last big contract.

But we can't run with Culver at the point so we need a PG back in the trade. So you have any player in mind that would be an upgrade over Teague and would even be remotely possible to trade for?

[minimus]

Is it? I think he is an overpaid, below average starter, but still a big positive for our team as he's the only player that can dribble the ball. We probably have the team with the worst handles in the league and having someone who can create a little bit and bring some on-ball movement on the team is a positive to me. Both eye-test and statistics-wise...

Since FA market is small, a trade is more realistic way to improve our roster. While Teague is overpaid, his contract can be used to bring here a decent player.

P.S. This is a contract year for him, so I'd expect many good games from him. Next contract might be his last big contract.

But we can't run with Culver at the point so we need a PG back in the trade. So you have any player in mind that would be an upgrade over Teague and would even be remotely possible to trade for?

In my opinion we need to look at dynamic. Culver is raw, but we need to see what kind of player he might be in 2-3yrs. So showcasing him and Wiggins will decide what we will do Teague.

However, after Tyus situation I highly doubt that Rosas will consider re-signing Teague. I feel like it will be more 3 stars one RoCo type contract, one Layman contract and other vetmin or rookie deals. Last thing I want to see is another Thibs type mangement, I wonder if Butler situation would be less problematic if we did not have Aldrich/Gibson/Teague/Dieng contracts. Similar situation now in MIA (Olynik, Meyers, Dragic, Waiters, JJ deals), ORL (Vuc, Ross, Aminu).

[Tukkerwolf]

Since FA market is small, a trade is more realistic way to improve our roster. While Teague is overpaid, his contract can be used to bring here a decent player.

P.S. This is a contract year for him, so I'd expect many good games from him. Next contract might be his last big contract.

But we can't run with Culver at the point so we need a PG back in the trade. So you have any player in mind that would be an upgrade over Teague and would even be remotely possible to trade for?

In my opinion we need to look at dynamic. Culver is raw, but we need to see what kind of player he might be in 2-3yrs. So showcasing him and Wiggins will decide what we will do Teague.

I doubt Culver will ever be a starting PG, but I hope so. However, as he develops why not have Teague on the team in the mean time? Just to actually win games for a change in this franchise's history.

However, after Tyus situation I highly doubt that Rosas will consider re-signing Teague. I feel like it will be more 3 stars one RoCo type contract, one Layman contract and other vetmin or rookie deals. Last thing I want to see is another Thibs type mangement, I wonder if Butler situation would be less problematic if we did not have Aldrich/Gibson/Teague/Dieng contracts. Similar situation now in MIA (Olynik, Meyers, Dragic, Waiters, JJ deals), ORL (Vuc, Ross, Aminu).

But we don't have three stars, so why not go for 2 max players (one star) and then two RoCo type contracts, supplemented with min's and rookies?

[minimus]

^^ I dont see any point of keeping Teague. I believe that Layman contract is a baseline contract for role players in our situation. Because, Jack can still improve, his contract is tradeble, at the same time 3yrs contracts is long enough for management to get full Bird Rights. Jeff Teague is 31 yrs old, he is declining. Recent Wiggins explosion at PG leaves no room for him, other than backup PG. I just doubt he will agree to play for backup PG money.

We can have KAT+Wiggins on max deal, RoCo contract and Layman. However, as I wrote before I dont see many FA at RoCo type contract who might be available for us and fits as ballhandler/shooter. I would say it is more realistic to draft our future PG or trade Teague/Dieng/Culver in order to get ballhandler/shooter.

Some players who I want to get:

~25-27mil per year:
Brandon Ingram

~15-16mil per year:
Fred VanVleet
Bogdan Bogdanovic

~10-11mil per year (RoCo contract):
Jerami Grant

Min deal:
Kris Dunn
Svi Mykhailiuk

[Tukkerwolf]

^^ I dont see any point of keeping Teague. I believe that Layman contract is a baseline contract for role players in our situation. Because, Jack can still improve, his contract is tradeble, at the same time 3yrs contracts is long enough for management to get full Bird Rights. Jeff Teague is 31 yrs old, he is declining. Recent Wiggins explosion at PG leaves no room for him, other than backup PG. I just doubt he will agree to play for backup PG money.

We can have KAT+Wiggins on max deal, RoCo contract and Layman. However, as I wrote before I dont see many FA at RoCo type contract who might be available for us and fits as ballhandler/shooter. I would say it is more realistic to draft our future PG or trade Teague/Dieng/Culver in order to get ballhandler/shooter.

Some players who I want to get:

~25-27mil per year:
Brandon Ingram

~15-16mil per year:
Fred VanVleet
Bogdan Bogdanovic

~10-11mil per year (RoCo contract):
Jerami Grant

Min deal:
Kris Dunn
Svi Mykhailiuk

I'm sorry, but are willingly ignoring my main question: Who do you envision as our PG next season? Toronto won't trade Van Vleet and I certainly don't hope you want to start Kriss freaking Dunn?

[minimus]

I'm sorry, but are willingly ignoring my main question: Who do you envision as our PG next season? Toronto won't trade Van Vleet and I certainly don't hope you want to start Kriss f*cking Dunn?

As for now - Wiggins. Napier backup.

[Tukkerwolf]

I'm sorry, but are willingly ignoring my main question: Who do you envision as our PG next season? Toronto won't trade Van Vleet and I certainly don't hope you want to start Kriss f*cking Dunn?

As for now - Wiggins. Napier backup.

Ok, thanks. But then I'm glad you're not our GM.

[shrink]

Right now, the future of the PG position is Culver, as someone who can distribute and switch defensively 1-3. It’s why we traded up to get him, and why Rosas evaluated him as one of the five best players in this draft.

However, Culver is still a long shot. If he can learn to become an effective distributor, he has high upside, with a bright future. Unfortunately, it is very rare for any rookie to be a positive player, especially at the PG position. Ryan has said he is trying to bring him along slowly, by playing him mostly at the wing early, but I have been impressed that Culver has looked so comfortable already with the ball in his hands. That’s encouraging, but it will take time, And that’s OK, because we are building for the future.

In the meantime, we need Teague. Without a good PG that can run a consistent, repeatable offense, it hurts the development of all the young players at other positions. Teague is a solid NBA starting PG, and to his credit, the vet has done a lot to change his prodding game to fit this new pass-oriented system. His expiring contract fits here as well, giving us a year to evaluate Culver. If Culver does not look like our PG of the future, we are fortunate that the 2020 draft is loaded with young PG’s, many of whom could become our “PG of the Future.”

[minimus]

Right now, the future of the PG position is Culver, as someone who can distribute and switch defensively 1-3. It’s why we traded up to get him, and why Rosas evaluated him as one of the five best players in this draft.

However, Culver is still a long shot. If he can learn to become an effective distributor, he has high upside, with a bright future. Unfortunately, it is very rare for any rookie to be a positive player, especially at the PG position. Ryan has said he is trying to bring him along slowly, by playing him mostly at the wing early, but I have been impressed that Culver has looked so comfortable already with the ball in his hands. That’s encouraging, but it will take time, And that’s OK, because we are building for the future.

IMO Culver biggest issue right now is shooting. I am okay with his playmaking skills and decisoin making, because I would not expect him to become a true pass first PG. I think he needs to constantly attack defense with his drives and shot in order to create opportunities for himself and teammates.

[Dewey]

Right now, the future of the PG position is Culver, as someone who can distribute and switch defensively 1-3. It’s why we traded up to get him, and why Rosas evaluated him as one of the five best players in this draft.

However, Culver is still a long shot. If he can learn to become an effective distributor, he has high upside, with a bright future. Unfortunately, it is very rare for any rookie to be a positive player, especially at the PG position. Ryan has said he is trying to bring him along slowly, by playing him mostly at the wing early, but I have been impressed that Culver has looked so comfortable already with the ball in his hands. That’s encouraging, but it will take time, And that’s OK, because we are building for the future.

IMO Culver biggest issue right now is shooting. I am okay with his playmaking skills and decisoin making, because I would not expect him to become a true pass first PG. I think he needs to constantly attack defense with his drives and shot in order to create opportunities for himself and teammates.

Simply put - he needs to prove he can finish around the basket. If/when that occurs, we'll know the game is starting to slow down for him.

At some point, he's gonna need that 5-10 game run where he shoes that confidence has the feeling he belongs. I like that Ryan has worked to incorporate him a few different ways ... I think those perspectives from PG to off-ball help these young guys understand the game better. Flip had done that with Lavine back in the day and it paid.

[minimus]

Simply put - he needs to prove he can finish around the basket. If/when that occurs, we'll know the game is starting to slow down for him.

I wish Culver had same floater as Kelan Martin. A liitle in between game that can help him a lot as scorer.

[Killboard]

Simply put - he needs to prove he can finish around the basket. If/when that occurs, we'll know the game is starting to slow down for him.

I wish Culver had same floater as Kelan Martin. A liitle in between game that can help him a lot as scorer.

Agreed shooting is the biggest concern with him.

The 3pt shot will need a lot of work and is going to take time, but his inside shooting is more about adjust to size and phisicallity as the season goes. Even with a putrid sample size:
He started 13 from 32 (40.0 FG%) in the first 9 games inside 5 feet.
In the last 5 games he is at 11 from 20 (55.0 FG%) inside 5 feet.

Also, this is very encouraging for a 6'7 rookie.

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[life_saver]

Simply put - he needs to prove he can finish around the basket. If/when that occurs, we'll know the game is starting to slow down for him.

I wish Culver had same floater as Kelan Martin. A liitle in between game that can help him a lot as scorer.

Agreed shooting is the biggest concern with him.

The 3pt shot will need a lot of work and is going to take time, but his inside shooting is more about adjust to size and phisicallity as the season goes. Even with a putrid sample size:
He started 13 from 32 (40.0 FG%) in the first 9 games inside 5 feet.
In the last 5 games he is at 11 from 20 (55.0 FG%) inside 5 feet.

Also, this is very encouraging for a 6'7 rookie.

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I don't understand why we don't execute a simple play like this between Teague - KAT.

[Jedzz]

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I don't understand why we don't execute a simple play like this between Teague - KAT.

You can tell how well practiced that is. Teague makes that first pass to Culver and Towns is right there. That pass scoots directly by Towns left shoulder. He knows exactly what is setting up. If that wasn't well prepared for, would Towns have grabbed that pass?

Count me in as also not knowing why we haven't seen more of Teague/Kat doing this as well. Ahtough I know that as long as Teague has been here he's been told that Towns and Wiggins are where they want the ball to go. Coluld be they've added Culver to that. For the most part, the only time Teague get's really offensive on his own is when those guys aren't on the floor or the shot clock is near zero.

[Jedzz]

Exact same as I posted happened again tonight. Teague won't even shoot when open when the ball comes back to him. Well, he did shoot one single time early in the shot clock because everyone was far behind and after 1.5 seconds of pausing he just shot it. Otherwise he won't shoot because clearly he's been told to set Towns, Wiggs, and Culver up. Two games in a row of that's all he does. He's not driving and kicking, they have practiced things they are trying to get going with Towns and Culver. Wiggins sat in the corner for the whole first quarter off ball entirely and it wasn't a case where teague was ball hogging or anything. They were working on a Culver/Towns screen set repeatedly. It's practice right in front of our eyes.

Give me a PG they will allow to play PG already. We can't have three guys that are supposed to be PGs on the court at once. We have Culver they are trying to develop, Wiggins who plays best this year as Point Wiggins, and Teague starting at PG all playing together too often. It's hurting the starting crew to be experimenting and developing so much.

If they aren't going to allow Teague to play as a normal PG with the starting crew, then play him from the bench. Let Culver catch up to the speed of this game from bench minutes as a 2, even 3, and occasionally 1.

[DaKid]

Exact same as I posted happened again tonight. Teague won't even shoot when open when the ball comes back to him. Well, he did shoot one single time early in the shot clock because everyone was far behind and after 1.5 seconds of pausing he just shot it. Otherwise he won't shoot because clearly he's been told to set Towns, Wiggs, and Culver up. Two games in a row of that's all he does. He's not driving and kicking, they have practiced things they are trying to get going with Towns and Culver. Wiggins sat in the corner for the whole first quarter off ball entirely and it wasn't a case where teague was ball hogging or anything. They were working on a Culver/Towns screen set repeatedly. It's practice right in front of our eyes.

Give me a PG they will allow to play PG already. We can't have three guys that are supposed to be PGs on the court at once. We have Culver they are trying to develop, Wiggins who plays best this year as Point Wiggins, and Teague starting at PG all playing together too often. It's hurting the starting crew to be experimenting and developing so much.

If they aren't going to allow Teague to play as a normal PG with the starting crew, then play him from the bench. Let Culver catch up to the speed of this game from bench minutes as a 2, even 3, and occasionally 1.

I'd be ok with them starting any of the wings next to wiggins. Maybe put Martin next to wiggins in the starting lineup and see if he can continue hitting 3s. Bring teague off the bench. Would be awesome to have Reddick next to wiggins in the backcourt

[Klomp]

Exact same as I posted happened again tonight. Teague won't even shoot when open when the ball comes back to him. Well, he did shoot one single time early in the shot clock because everyone was far behind and after 1.5 seconds of pausing he just shot it. Otherwise he won't shoot because clearly he's been told to set Towns, Wiggs, and Culver up. Two games in a row of that's all he does. He's not driving and kicking, they have practiced things they are trying to get going with Towns and Culver. Wiggins sat in the corner for the whole first quarter off ball entirely and it wasn't a case where teague was ball hogging or anything. They were working on a Culver/Towns screen set repeatedly. It's practice right in front of our eyes.

Give me a PG they will allow to play PG already. We can't have three guys that are supposed to be PGs on the court at once. We have Culver they are trying to develop, Wiggins who plays best this year as Point Wiggins, and Teague starting at PG all playing together too often. It's hurting the starting crew to be experimenting and developing so much.

If they aren't going to allow Teague to play as a normal PG with the starting crew, then play him from the bench. Let Culver catch up to the speed of this game from bench minutes as a 2, even 3, and occasionally 1.

Don't like when role players don't shoot when open but don't like when role players shoot when open, hmmm.....

[PharmD]

Exact same as I posted happened again tonight. Teague won't even shoot when open when the ball comes back to him. Well, he did shoot one single time early in the shot clock because everyone was far behind and after 1.5 seconds of pausing he just shot it. Otherwise he won't shoot because clearly he's been told to set Towns, Wiggs, and Culver up. Two games in a row of that's all he does. He's not driving and kicking, they have practiced things they are trying to get going with Towns and Culver. Wiggins sat in the corner for the whole first quarter off ball entirely and it wasn't a case where teague was ball hogging or anything. They were working on a Culver/Towns screen set repeatedly. It's practice right in front of our eyes.

Give me a PG they will allow to play PG already. We can't have three guys that are supposed to be PGs on the court at once. We have Culver they are trying to develop, Wiggins who plays best this year as Point Wiggins, and Teague starting at PG all playing together too often. It's hurting the starting crew to be experimenting and developing so much.

If they aren't going to allow Teague to play as a normal PG with the starting crew, then play him from the bench. Let Culver catch up to the speed of this game from bench minutes as a 2, even 3, and occasionally 1.

Don't like when role players don't shoot when open but don't like when role players shoot when open, hmmm.....

Having inadequate players definitely sucks.