Around the League - 2019-2020

[Kobblehead]

We run a dribble handoff system. I don't see us wanting or having a real need for a true point guard.

Are we sure DeAaron Fox is even that good? He can't shoot, he can't hit free throws, he has no defensive versatility, and his halfcourt effectiveness is 100% dependant on the pick and roll (something we don't run). The last thing I want is to acquire him and he turnout as a rich man's Ish Smith in our system.

[76ciology]

We run a dribble handoff system. I don't see us wanting or having a real need for a true point guard.

Are we sure DeAaron Fox is even that good? He can't shoot, he can't hit free throws, he has no defensive versatility, and his halfcourt effectiveness is 100% dependant on the pick and roll (something we don't run). The last thing I want is to acquire him and he turnout as a rich man's Ish Smith in our system.

We run a dribble handoff system because of Ben.

Ben’s man is sagged off so one of his best use on halfcourt is as a screener off a dribble hand off.

If we have Butler at PG and a shooter to replace Ben, then I bet we’d be running PnR

I mean.. do you see Neto doing dribble handoffs? He’s been running 2 man game with Horford a lot from what i saw

[Mik317]

Ish Smith was the last competent PG we had lol

[DaSixers]

not only is ben a problem, so is brett brown for not tailoring his offense to fit his players. We have players that are good in the PnR, and rarely use it. When we acquired butler, our brilliant coach literally plugged him into covingtons EXACT role of standing in the corners, as if it was still covington. Then when we got Tobias, same thing.

Not only do we need a real PG, but we need a real coach who can play to his players strengths

[Kobblehead]

We run a dribble handoff system because of Ben.

Ben’s man is sagged off so one of his best use on halfcourt is as a screener off a dribble hand off.

If we have Butler at PG and a shooter to replace Ben, then I bet we’d be running PnR

I mean.. do you see Neto doing dribble handoffs? He’s been running 2 man game with Horford a lot from what i saw

So assume we do change the offense. Do we really think DeAaron Fox is the horse to hitch our wagon to? I'd much rather target an all-level scorer that can also space the floor when he's off the ball.

Fox is just so meh, to me.

His game is a little slash heavy (and he doesn't hit free throws that well) and he's not very good off the ball because his jumper is pretty weak.

[Negrodamus]

With my intermittent plugs for Dinwiddie, I do think his current contract situation is interesting to follow. NBA is rejecting his crypto investment idea for his contract.

Either way, dude has been balling out these past 6 games (2 without Kyrie): 23.7 ppg (7.7 FTA per game on 87 FT%, 35% 3FG), 5 apg, 2.7 rpg. I'm standing behind a trade structured around Dinwiddie and Tobias at the deadline.

[youngcrev]

not only is ben a problem, so is brett brown for not tailoring his offense to fit his players. We have players that are good in the PnR, and rarely use it. When we acquired butler, our brilliant coach literally plugged him into covingtons EXACT role of standing in the corners, as if it was still covington. Then when we got Tobias, same thing.

Not only do we need a real PG, but we need a real coach who can play to his players strengths

This is only going to feed into your "Ben is the problem" thinking, but you neither have the spacing or the ball handler to run a quality PnR with this lineup.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

not only is ben a problem, so is brett brown for not tailoring his offense to fit his players. We have players that are good in the PnR, and rarely use it. When we acquired butler, our brilliant coach literally plugged him into covingtons EXACT role of standing in the corners, as if it was still covington. Then when we got Tobias, same thing.

Not only do we need a real PG, but we need a real coach who can play to his players strengths

This is only going to feed into your "Ben is the problem" thinking, but you neither have the spacing or the ball handler to run a quality PnR with this lineup.

Harris was a very good PnR scorer with the Clippers, the Sixers have the personnel to do it. The Sixers screen for the ball handler all the time, it's just that they do it from the wing which leads to a post up more so than an open shot. Simmons is the problem both on and off the ball if you want to run your basic 1-4 high screen with him as the ball handler the opposing teams go under the pick, or in the more extreme cases they play two bigs and put one of them on Simmons (The Celtics method). When he's off the ball he refuses to go to the corner to space the floor, so that just negates the potential roll from Embiid/Horford.

I watch the Knicks run some PnR with far worse shooters and ball handlers, but they put lineups on the floor that space to the corners. You can't run a PnR with a guy constantly hanging out at the dunkers spot, it's why the Cp3, DJ and Blake Clippers could never win despite having an elite pick and roll ball handler & rollmen, the 3 other guys not involved in the play have to go to the corner and the ball handler has to be a threat to score.

[Kobblehead]

not only is ben a problem, so is brett brown for not tailoring his offense to fit his players. We have players that are good in the PnR, and rarely use it. When we acquired butler, our brilliant coach literally plugged him into covingtons EXACT role of standing in the corners, as if it was still covington. Then when we got Tobias, same thing.

Not only do we need a real PG, but we need a real coach who can play to his players strengths

This is only going to feed into your "Ben is the problem" thinking, but you neither have the spacing or the ball handler to run a quality PnR with this lineup.

Tobias Harris in the starting lineup.

Furkan Korkmaz and Trey Burke off the bench.

We have pick and roll options. One really good one in Tobias Harris.

[the_process]

With my intermittent plugs for Dinwiddie, I do think his current contract situation is interesting to follow. NBA is rejecting his crypto investment idea for his contract.

Either way, dude has been balling out these past 6 games (2 without Kyrie): 23.7 ppg (7.7 FTA per game on 87 FT%, 35% 3FG), 5 apg, 2.7 rpg. I'm standing behind a trade structured around Dinwiddie and Tobias at the deadline.

I don’t see the Nets going for that. But that would be perfect for the Sixers.

[youngcrev]

I get that Tobias ranked well in scoring efficiency in the pick and roll ball handler stat, but I don't think he has the passing or ball handling to be great at it. Particularly not with Simmons, Richardson and Embiid or Horford spacing the floor.

Trey's our best pick and roll ball handler... And he's a guy we picked up for the minimum mid-way through free agency.

[Kobblehead]

I get that Tobias ranked well in scoring efficiency in the pick and roll ball handler stat, but I don't think he has the passing or ball handling to be great at it. Particularly not with Simmons, Richardson and Embiid or Horford spacing the floor.

Trey's our best pick and roll ball handler... And he's a guy we picked up for the minimum mid-way through free agency.

He doesn't have to be elite at it. He's proven to be perfectly good at it, though.

Also, we have a ton of pick and roll personnel. Richardson is a really good catch and shoot player. Horford is outstanding in the pick and pop and a good enough spacer when he's not the screener. Embiid should theoretically be dominant as a screen and roller.

Ben would be lost but that's because he doesn't logical fit in hardly any schemes other than smallball C. As many of us have been lamenting forever now.

[youngcrev]

I get that Tobias ranked well in scoring efficiency in the pick and roll ball handler stat, but I don't think he has the passing or ball handling to be great at it. Particularly not with Simmons, Richardson and Embiid or Horford spacing the floor.

Trey's our best pick and roll ball handler... And he's a guy we picked up for the minimum mid-way through free agency.

He doesn't have to be elite at it. He's proven to be perfectly good at it, though.

Also, we have a ton of pick and roll personnel. Richardson is a really good catch and shoot player. Horford is outstanding in the pick and pop and a good enough spacer when he's not the screener. Embiid should theoretically be dominant as a screen and roller.

Ben would be lost. But that's because he doesn't fit anywhere other than smallball C on some other team. As many of us have been lamenting forever now.

One, Ben's clearly an elite corner 3 point shooter

Two, are we talking giving a set here and there or having that be a point of emphasis of the offense? Because again, I'll fall back on him not being a good enough ball handler or passer for it to be a mainstay in the offense, and that your spacers aren't good enough. The efficient play out of pick and roll is to get a look for the roll man or an open corner 3. Harris may have ranked highly in PPP as the ball handler, but that mark was still only .99 PPP. I'm also not buying Jo as a great roll man even though he should be in theory. He's just kinda clumsy on the move and doesn't seem to have great hands. And none of Richardson, Simmons or Horford are lights out shooters that'll kill you for leaving them open.

If we're just talking a handful of sets per game I'm all for it just to try and get Harris in a rhythm with the jumper.

[Kobblehead]

44-16 first quarter

Golden State should be ashamed of themselves. They condemned tanking and they're doing it even more transparently than Hinkie. Sam never pulled healthy players off the court.

[the_process]

Doncic with 35/11/10 in only 25 mins vs. GSW

What the Dubs are doing this year is more blatant tanking than even the Process Sixers. Only difference is Hinkie was honest about it.

[Kobblehead]

Doncic is already better than Steph Curry and James Harden.

I just wonder if Dallas might have been too hasty in picking his running mate. Not sure Porzingis is that great. They'll have a good 2-man game in time, but I'm not the biggest Kristaps guy.

Morant/Jackson will be the better tandem out West.

[the_process]

Doncic is already better than Steph Curry and James Harden.

No.

Morant/Jackson will be the better tandem [than Doncic/Porzingis] out West.

Agreed.

[Negrodamus]

I’ll admit to being wrong about Thybulle, even though his ceiling is an elite role player, but we will kick ourselves for not drafting Terence Davis, a guy we brought in for multiple workouts.

[76ciology]

We run a dribble handoff system because of Ben.

Ben’s man is sagged off so one of his best use on halfcourt is as a screener off a dribble hand off.

If we have Butler at PG and a shooter to replace Ben, then I bet we’d be running PnR

I mean.. do you see Neto doing dribble handoffs? He’s been running 2 man game with Horford a lot from what i saw

So assume we do change the offense. Do we really think DeAaron Fox is the horse to hitch our wagon to? I'd much rather target an all-level scorer that can also space the floor when he's off the ball.

Fox is just so meh, to me.

His game is a little slash heavy (and he doesn't hit free throws that well) and he's not very good off the ball because his jumper is pretty weak.

The only way we can win with Embiid is playing all time great defense. Think about 90s to early 2000 brand of basketball. And the only way to play all time great defense is to can switch and yet be elite on defense. I believe after Ben, Fox is very close 2nd that fits that bill for the PG position.

On offense, Fox is not yet an all level scorer, but he can be one given his trajectory. He can run PnR. He can space the floor. He will not make boneheaded passes on transition like Ben. He will attack the basket.

Given the overall picture. Your best bet is banking on Embiid developing a perimeter game and Tobias developing into a star scorer.

Kings will ask a lot for Fox. Trading Ben for Lavine is a high risk position for us, given the difference in value and the holes in Lavine’s game.

[76ciology]

Doncic with 35/11/10 in only 25 mins vs. GSW

What the Dubs are doing this year is more blatant tanking than even the Process Sixers. Only difference is Hinkie was honest about it.

You don’t get awards for honesty. You get awards for creativity.

Lakers also tanked but they have the Mamba farewell tour.

Problem with Hinkie is he allowed that all time losing streak that red flagged everyone. He also built a roster that nobody in the league wanted to watch. I mean, do you enjoy watching a bunch of dleague players going up against star teams.

Then drafting a bunch of busts in the lottery also didnt help his reputation and allowed more window for critics.