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Game 13: Phoenix Suns (7-5) @ Sacramento Kings (5-7)

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Re: Game 13: Phoenix Suns (7-5) @ Sacramento Kings (5-7) 

Post#421 » by Revived » Wed Nov 20, 2019 10:51 pm

One thing to note is that the Celtics are playing exceptional basketball without having any good bigs. The Suns without Ayton still have a better big man rotation than the Celtics do. Without Baynes, both teams are about equal in that regard.

But Brad Stevens is utilizing the wing players he has really well and their having a lot of success both offensively and defensively because of that. Even despite playing without a rim protector or a big man presence of any kind really, the Celtics have the best record in the league.

The Suns need to incorporate some of that with Booker, Oubre, Bridges, Cam etc.
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Re: Game 13: Phoenix Suns (7-5) @ Sacramento Kings (5-7) 

Post#422 » by cberry78 » Wed Nov 20, 2019 11:03 pm

Revived wrote:One thing to note is that the Celtics are playing exceptional basketball without having any good bigs. The Suns without Ayton still have a better big man rotation than the Celtics do. Without Baynes, both teams are about equal in that regard.

But Brad Stevens is utilizing the wing players he has really well and their having a lot of success both offensively and defensively because of that. Even despite playing without a rim protector or a big man presence of any kind really, the Celtics have the best record in the league.

The Suns need to incorporate some of that with Booker, Oubre, Bridges, Cam etc.

Kinda hard to incorporate any of what Stevens is doing when you don't have a healthy NBA-caliber starting PG. :dontknow:
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Re: Game 13: Phoenix Suns (7-5) @ Sacramento Kings (5-7) 

Post#423 » by Saberestar » Wed Nov 20, 2019 11:22 pm

Revived wrote:One thing to note is that the Celtics are playing exceptional basketball without having any good bigs. The Suns without Ayton still have a better big man rotation than the Celtics do. Without Baynes, both teams are about equal in that regard.

But Brad Stevens is utilizing the wing players he has really well and their having a lot of success both offensively and defensively because of that. Even despite playing without a rim protector or a big man presence of any kind really, the Celtics have the best record in the league.

The Suns need to incorporate some of that with Booker, Oubre, Bridges, Cam etc.

Well, look at their more important wing players... Jaylen Brown, Tatum and Hayward. Those three can be All Stars any given year, all three can average 20 points per game being solid on defense (Jaylen elite).

We don't have that type of wings. Booker is not a wing player, he is a pure SG. Our wings are Oubre, Bridges and Cam. The difference is huge.
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Re: Game 13: Phoenix Suns (7-5) @ Sacramento Kings (5-7) 

Post#424 » by Revived » Wed Nov 20, 2019 11:40 pm

Saberestar wrote:
Revived wrote:One thing to note is that the Celtics are playing exceptional basketball without having any good bigs. The Suns without Ayton still have a better big man rotation than the Celtics do. Without Baynes, both teams are about equal in that regard.

But Brad Stevens is utilizing the wing players he has really well and their having a lot of success both offensively and defensively because of that. Even despite playing without a rim protector or a big man presence of any kind really, the Celtics have the best record in the league.

The Suns need to incorporate some of that with Booker, Oubre, Bridges, Cam etc.

Well, look at their more important wing players... Jaylen Brown, Tatum and Hayward. Those three can be All Stars any given year, all three can average 20 points per game being solid on defense (Jaylen elite).

We don't have that type of wings. Booker is not a wing player, he is a pure SG. Our wings are Oubre, Bridges and Cam. The difference is huge.

Booker is interchangeable as SG or SF. Just like Brown and Hayward are.

Stevens is the best coach in basketball so I’m not saying it’s possible to copy them exactly and expect same results but the Suns can take a lot from what their doing before we get Ayton back.
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Re: Game 13: Phoenix Suns (7-5) @ Sacramento Kings (5-7) 

Post#425 » by Saberestar » Wed Nov 20, 2019 11:48 pm

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Revived wrote:One thing to note is that the Celtics are playing exceptional basketball without having any good bigs. The Suns without Ayton still have a better big man rotation than the Celtics do. Without Baynes, both teams are about equal in that regard.

But Brad Stevens is utilizing the wing players he has really well and their having a lot of success both offensively and defensively because of that. Even despite playing without a rim protector or a big man presence of any kind really, the Celtics have the best record in the league.

The Suns need to incorporate some of that with Booker, Oubre, Bridges, Cam etc.

Well, look at their more important wing players... Jaylen Brown, Tatum and Hayward. Those three can be All Stars any given year, all three can average 20 points per game being solid on defense (Jaylen elite).

We don't have that type of wings. Booker is not a wing player, he is a pure SG. Our wings are Oubre, Bridges and Cam. The difference is huge.

Booker is interchangeable as SG or SF. Just like Brown and Hayward are.

Stevens is the best coach in basket so I’m not saying it’s possible to copy them exactly and expect same results but the Suns can take a lot from what their doing before we get Ayton back.

They are bigger and stronger, Booker is more an SG/PG than SF IMO.

All their wing players can switch on any PF and it's not a mismatch, that is a big advantage.
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Re: Game 13: Phoenix Suns (7-5) @ Sacramento Kings (5-7) 

Post#426 » by bwgood77 » Thu Nov 21, 2019 12:39 am

Revived wrote:One thing to note is that the Celtics are playing exceptional basketball without having any good bigs. The Suns without Ayton still have a better big man rotation than the Celtics do. Without Baynes, both teams are about equal in that regard.

But Brad Stevens is utilizing the wing players he has really well and their having a lot of success both offensively and defensively because of that. Even despite playing without a rim protector or a big man presence of any kind really, the Celtics have the best record in the league.

The Suns need to incorporate some of that with Booker, Oubre, Bridges, Cam etc.


Yeah, I'm game for super small ball with Cam at 4 and Saric or Kaminsky at 5. I noticed several mentions in articles/shows that Mikal and Cam played really well together. As well as Oubre has played most of the time, and the energy and scoring he brings, I wouldn't mind starting Tyler/Booker/Bridges/Cam/Dario with Carter/Oubre/Kaminsky off the bench with some staggering and a little of Okobo and Diallo.

Or just stagger enough to have Bridges and Cam together enough. Bridges has the defense to play with Booker and Cam and will eventually get the 3 back, and Oubre provides a bit more scoring punch off the bench.
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Re: Game 13: Phoenix Suns (7-5) @ Sacramento Kings (5-7) 

Post#427 » by bwgood77 » Thu Nov 21, 2019 12:43 am

Saberestar wrote:
Revived wrote:One thing to note is that the Celtics are playing exceptional basketball without having any good bigs. The Suns without Ayton still have a better big man rotation than the Celtics do. Without Baynes, both teams are about equal in that regard.

But Brad Stevens is utilizing the wing players he has really well and their having a lot of success both offensively and defensively because of that. Even despite playing without a rim protector or a big man presence of any kind really, the Celtics have the best record in the league.

The Suns need to incorporate some of that with Booker, Oubre, Bridges, Cam etc.

Well, look at their more important wing players... Jaylen Brown, Tatum and Hayward. Those three can be All Stars any given year, all three can average 20 points per game being solid on defense (Jaylen elite).

We don't have that type of wings. Booker is not a wing player, he is a pure SG. Our wings are Oubre, Bridges and Cam. The difference is huge.


I think in the end, they probably rate Hayward, Tatum (though this is expecting him to get back...he could move down some spots), and then our 3 is up for grabs. Personally I would bet overall, in the end consider offense and defense, Bridges, Cam, Oubre...but honestly depending on what you value any order works. Currently it is more like Hayward first and then it's tough between the other 5. One could argue Oubre 1st, or even Cam...but also Tatum or Brown..they all have strengths and weaknesses. Bridges is in offensive funk until last night and still struggling shooting, but still looks good passing, cutting, with steals, blocks, and the total package on defense.
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