Cleveland Cavaliers @ Miami Heat - 11/20/19 Wednesday - 7:30pm

[IggieCC]

i'm not going to overreact to anything at this point bish

we beat ATL without Trea twice, Cavs twice, heavily injured Pistons and Pelicans, and Grizzlies. Our signature wins are vs Bucks and Hou but lost most games against tough opponents. It's way too early to celebrate. But it's great that we're beating up on weak teams that's what good teams are supposed to do and we haven't been able to do in recent years.

let's go Heat bish

Compared to what we've been subjected to in recent years, I have a hard time blaming anyone for celebrating a bit. Miami right now is doing what great teams do, which is blowing out teams that are clearly either rebuilding or just bad, and frankly we haven't been fully healthy either.....lest we forget we were without Jimmy for the first 3 games. I hear ya on Trae Young, but I have a hard time believing Miami would've lost those games had he not gotten hurt. We'll never know sadly....but we got two matchups left.

My biggest concerns about this team is our reliance on 2 rookies for scoring and the abundance of turnovers. Against the elite, the latter ain't gonna fly. Hope we'll learn that lesson with as little pain as possible, but we're due for an awful loss as a result of it.

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Great post Tony.

Yeah I'm very happy that we are capable of winning winnable games. I'd say 60-70% of teams are not so great this szn and we are capitalizing it so far. I think having a true two-way star in Jimmy really helps in reducing stinker games that we have been so prone to in recent years.

I agree that relying on rooks to carry a lot of offensive load will bite us at some point but that's part of growing pains. I'd rather get through that than the alternative. But because of that, I think it's premature to count out people like Winslow. Or even Dion. Our rooks haven't hit any walls yet but they probably will, and because how hard we play, injuries and fatigues are always a major concern too. I'm a believer of strength in numbers, esp. with this team.

[Bishop45]

i'm not going to overreact to anything at this point bish

we beat ATL without Trea twice, Cavs twice, heavily injured Pistons and Pelicans, and Grizzlies. Our signature wins are vs Bucks and Hou but lost most games against tough opponents. It's way too early to celebrate. But it's great that we're beating up on weak teams that's what good teams are supposed to do and we haven't been able to do in recent years.

let's go Heat bish

Lone impressive win against a good team that wasn't on a back-to-back/at our home was the Mil win, but we'll devolve into this type of nonsense at the snap of a finger

Just wish everybody would keep it a buck and say that what it boils down to is that they don't like Winslow's style of play instead of insulting everyone's intelligence with this stuff every chance they get

Can't wait for Philly. I think they're a flawed team, but their defense is legit and they have the size to give us problems. Jimmy is gonna have to start establishing his offense earlier against the elite in the league. Let the others follow.

Honestly not sure what to do with Winslow. He's redundant next to Jimmy in the starting lineup, and Goran is flourishing as the PG off the bench. These are good problems to have mind you, but still.....

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Redundancy only matters if deficiencies are too large to overcome, I don't think Winslow/Butler have that problem. They're not players who won't make an impact on the court if their shots not falling, and those kind of guys make playoff runs. Very few examples in league history of teams winning with one creator in the main line-up; if I gotta ride tommorow, I'm ridin' with my guys

[DayofMourning]

Wouldn't move anyone for LMA. Too past his prime.

Even JJ and Mion? I believe they have 58 minutes combined this season. LMA may not be a prime player, but what would the Heat have to lose?

Think the Spurs would move on that?

If he was an expiring, then I'd jump on it (which would require sending a real asset to SA) just to be a player for AD.

[MadD23]

i'm not going to overreact to anything at this point bish

we beat ATL without Trea twice, Cavs twice, heavily injured Pistons and Pelicans, and Grizzlies. Our signature wins are vs Bucks and Hou but lost most games against tough opponents. It's way too early to celebrate. But it's great that we're beating up on weak teams that's what good teams are supposed to do and we haven't been able to do in recent years.

let's go Heat bish

Lone impressive win against a good team that wasn't on a back-to-back/at our home was the Mil win, but we'll devolve into this type of nonsense at the snap of a finger

Just wish everybody would keep it a buck and say that what it boils down to is that they don't like Winslow's style of play instead of insulting everyone's intelligence with this stuff every chance they get

Can't wait for Philly. I think they're a flawed team, but their defense is legit and they have the size to give us problems. Jimmy is gonna have to start establishing his offense earlier against the elite in the league. Let the others follow.

Honestly not sure what to do with Winslow. He's redundant next to Jimmy in the starting lineup, and Goran is flourishing as the PG off the bench. These are good problems to have mind you, but still.....

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I am glad Jimmy struggled with his shot in this game, that means he could have a big game on the road against Philly. We are going to need it.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Wouldn't move anyone for LMA. Too past his prime.

Even JJ and Mion? I believe they have 58 minutes combined this season. LMA may not be a prime player, but what would the Heat have to lose?

Think the Spurs would move on that?

If he was an expiring, then I'd jump on it (which would require sending a real asset to SA) just to be a player for AD.

We don't really need an expiring right now. His contract expires right when it needs to in 2021. His contract fits our free agency time line. LMA is at 18 points 7 rebounds a game. Yes he's 34 but so is Dragic. The numbers say he's still very productive. He would be an ideal fit along side Bam if he comes at the right price. I won't be missing DJJ if he's the ones that's used as the filler to make this happen.

[DayofMourning]

Even JJ and Mion? I believe they have 58 minutes combined this season. LMA may not be a prime player, but what would the Heat have to lose?

Think the Spurs would move on that?

If he was an expiring, then I'd jump on it (which would require sending a real asset to SA) just to be a player for AD.

We don't really need an expiring right now. His contract expires right when it needs to in 2021. His contract fits our free agency time line. LMA is at 18 points 7 rebounds a game. Yes he's 34 but so is Dragic. The numbers say he's still very productive. He would be an ideal fit along side Bam if he comes at the right price. I won't be missing DJJ if he's the ones that's used as the filler to make this happen.

What about if it were Justise?

[MettaWorldPanda]

Think the Spurs would move on that?

If he was an expiring, then I'd jump on it (which would require sending a real asset to SA) just to be a player for AD.

We don't really need an expiring right now. His contract expires right when it needs to in 2021. His contract fits our free agency time line. LMA is at 18 points 7 rebounds a game. Yes he's 34 but so is Dragic. The numbers say he's still very productive. He would be an ideal fit along side Bam if he comes at the right price. I won't be missing DJJ if he's the ones that's used as the filler to make this happen.

What about if it were Justise?

I'm balking at Justise unless the Spurs give us a pick or young player is coming back with him. Justise long term value is a lot more valuable over what LMA would bring to us in the next two years.

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[MHeat0279]

No kitchen should have too many chefs, especially when one of those chefs is made of glass with an abysmal AST/TO ratio and can't convert FTs or even layups at a professional level

We've got about 1.5 chefs, and a bunch of versatile onion cutters and for said reason our top hats will likely be rounding 30 mins each

I think Jimmy and Dragic could sufficiently lead the 1st and 2nd units with secondary ballhandlers like Nunn and Herro

But if I'm wrong, and we do in fact need another creator/playmaker/facilitator, then we're gonna need someone far better than Justise. The guy is a straight up liability on offense, his game is just littered with massive holes across the board. And aside from all that, he's nowhere near reliable enough durability-wise to invest any significant amount of importance in as a key element of a coherent and consistent offensive system. I wish he was better but I've been wishing the same thing for 4 years now; the unfortunate reality is that he's a role player in this league and one that I believe has some very real potential to contribute in that capacity. But any team that depends on Justice to be a creator is gonna be a very depressing team to watch

I agree with this, the guy is good at defense, but his offense man is really shaky, the guy still struggles to make layups. I think we have waited enough to see what Winslow will give you. Good defensive player but very average and inconsistent offense. Man we can really make some noise with another all start

[HEATVols865]

What a bizarre game! Duncan as the leading scorer...
BBW power is STRONG

[fouled out boy]

What a bizarre game! Duncan as the leading scorer...
BBW power is STRONG

Even more bizarre than bbw?

[County of Wade]

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[al bondiga]

He's a role player, nobody in their right mind would say otherwise. Everyone but Jimmy on this team is a role player. I can recommend some over-the-counter antidepressants for anyone who needs, but I can't change the fact that Winslow's one of the best players on the team and will likely see around 30 mins on the floor for it

I guess we have different definitions of role player. I think Jimmy, Bam, Dragic, Nunn -- Herro potentially -- are all crucial elements of this squad right now that have and will continue to shape the identity of the 2019-20 Miami Heat. Justise... not so much

You're entitled to your opinion that Justise is one of the best players on this team, but I've yet to see any evidence whatsoever that would suggest as much. If you have some I'd love to be proven wrong because I'm a Heat fan and I want to believe the best about our players. So if the info is there, then by all means. I'm just going on 4 years of eye-testing and stat referencing, but I'll admit I haven't dug too deep into the analytics in search of advanced on/off or +/- lineup numbers or anything

I can tell you why I think Winslow is one of the best role players in this team, If not the best... he can consistently play every position (except Center) and give you an okay performance ( doing so at young age)...plus what I think is super important ...he is one of the best media handlers in the team... MATURITY and Okey potencial

[Wiltside]

We don't really need an expiring right now. His contract expires right when it needs to in 2021. His contract fits our free agency time line. LMA is at 18 points 7 rebounds a game. Yes he's 34 but so is Dragic. The numbers say he's still very productive. He would be an ideal fit along side Bam if he comes at the right price. I won't be missing DJJ if he's the ones that's used as the filler to make this happen.

What about if it were Justise?

I'm balking at Justise unless the Spurs give us a pick or young player is coming back with him. Justise long term value is a lot more valuable over what LMA would bring to us in the next two years.

If it were Justise, you'd want one of Murray or White included in the deal, that's for sure.