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Official Speculation Thread ‘19-'20 III: It's B-ball Time !!!

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Re: Official Speculation Thread ‘19-'20 III: It's B-ball Time !!! 

Post#1761 » by zaymon » Thu Nov 21, 2019 11:34 am

pepe1991 wrote:Gordon isn't bad on ball defender, but as team defender he kind a blows.
Gordon's whole "gimmick" in nba is to be athletic marvel without much basketball intelligence.
Just when i thought after last year that i was just rude and unfair with that assumption as he improved as passer, he goes whole summer to work on post up , turnaround mid range jumpers. Because ? Reasons.

It's funny how somebody spent 4 months working on part of his game that he menaged to implement like 3 times in 400 min , and shoot 32% from that shots.

Its funny becouse you hear Fournier saing that he is better this season becouse he knew where his shots are going to come from and then you hear Gordon...
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Re: Official Speculation Thread ‘19-'20 III: It's B-ball Time !!! 

Post#1762 » by pepe1991 » Thu Nov 21, 2019 11:40 am

zaymon wrote:
pepe1991 wrote:Gordon isn't bad on ball defender, but as team defender he kind a blows.
Gordon's whole "gimmick" in nba is to be athletic marvel without much basketball intelligence.
Just when i thought after last year that i was just rude and unfair with that assumption as he improved as passer, he goes whole summer to work on post up , turnaround mid range jumpers. Because ? Reasons.

It's funny how somebody spent 4 months working on part of his game that he menaged to implement like 3 times in 400 min , and shoot 32% from that shots.

Its funny becouse you hear Fournier saing that he is better this season becouse he knew where his shots are going to come from and then you hear Gordon...


I would like to see his short chart.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread ‘19-'20 III: It's B-ball Time !!! 

Post#1763 » by GelbeWand09 » Thu Nov 21, 2019 12:40 pm

pepe1991 wrote:
zaymon wrote:
pepe1991 wrote:Gordon isn't bad on ball defender, but as team defender he kind a blows.
Gordon's whole "gimmick" in nba is to be athletic marvel without much basketball intelligence.
Just when i thought after last year that i was just rude and unfair with that assumption as he improved as passer, he goes whole summer to work on post up , turnaround mid range jumpers. Because ? Reasons.

It's funny how somebody spent 4 months working on part of his game that he menaged to implement like 3 times in 400 min , and shoot 32% from that shots.

Its funny becouse you hear Fournier saing that he is better this season becouse he knew where his shots are going to come from and then you hear Gordon...


I would like to see his short chart.


Here you go. Looks not pretty :lol: Stats are before last nights game

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Isaac much more efficient almost everywhere. Alot 3's & post shots, a lot less long 2's

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Post#1764 » by GelbeWand09 » Thu Nov 21, 2019 12:52 pm

Vuc looks not good too :o

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Re: Official Speculation Thread ‘19-'20 III: It's B-ball Time !!! 

Post#1765 » by pepe1991 » Thu Nov 21, 2019 12:59 pm

GelbeWand09 wrote:
pepe1991 wrote:
zaymon wrote:Its funny becouse you hear Fournier saing that he is better this season becouse he knew where his shots are going to come from and then you hear Gordon...


I would like to see his short chart.


Here you go. Looks not pretty :lol: Stats are before last nights game

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Isaac much more efficient almost everywhere. Alot 3's & post shots, a lot less long 2's

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Jesus. He should not be allowed to shoot from his right side :lol:

btw tnx man :D
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Re: Official Speculation Thread ‘19-'20 III: It's B-ball Time !!! 

Post#1766 » by GelbeWand09 » Thu Nov 21, 2019 1:08 pm

Jesus. He should not be allowed to shoot from his right side :lol:

btw tnx man :D[/quote]

He shoudnt be allowed to shoot from midrange at all. 0.6 points per shot. He shoots the most inefficient shot, on horrible efficiency, on high volume. :o
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Re: Official Speculation Thread ‘19-'20 III: It's B-ball Time !!! 

Post#1767 » by GelbeWand09 » Thu Nov 21, 2019 2:30 pm

Because i'm bored at work. :lol: I post the shotcharts for more of our players.

Markelle
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Post#1768 » by j-ragg » Thu Nov 21, 2019 2:33 pm

I wish Dj and Markelle could just be one player.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread ‘19-'20 III: It's B-ball Time !!! 

Post#1769 » by swarlesbarkley » Thu Nov 21, 2019 3:32 pm

pepe1991 wrote:Gordon isn't bad on ball defender, but as team defender he kind a blows.
Gordon's whole "gimmick" in nba is to be athletic marvel without much basketball intelligence.
Just when i thought after last year that i was just rude and unfair with that assumption as he improved as passer, he goes whole summer to work on post up , turnaround mid range jumpers. Because ? Reasons.

It's funny how somebody spent 4 months working on part of his game that he menaged to implement like 3 times in 400 min , and shoot 32% from that shots.


Haven't you been saying that pro ballers can't really improve their game in the offseason anyway? That they're basically who they are going to be 4-5 years into career? Why does it matter what he worked on?
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Post#1770 » by OrlandO » Thu Nov 21, 2019 4:48 pm

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basketballRob wrote:Do the have all the players defensive ratings too?

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Here we go... Basketballrobs drop mike moment.... No Bumbas defensive rating.

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He has the worst DRTG over the last 6 games... he is trending in the wrong direction.

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Post#1771 » by cedric76 » Thu Nov 21, 2019 4:53 pm

With Okeke coming back next season and Evan likely to opt out i really think we r gonna trade AG for a SG

14 th Dec

Gordon+DJ+2nd for Russell and Chriss

Fultz(28),Russell(20),MCW(0)
Russell(13),Evan(18),Ross(17)
Evan(15),Isaac(18),Iwundu(15)
Isaac(16),Chief(24),Chriss(8)
Vuc(31),Birch(7),Mo(10)

Next year Okeke will be able to get plenty Forward minutes

Lineup

Fultz,Russell,Evan

Russell primary back up for Fultz

Russell,Evan,Isaac,chief,vuc when fultz is bench
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Re: Official Speculation Thread ‘19-'20 III: It's B-ball Time !!! 

Post#1772 » by pepe1991 » Thu Nov 21, 2019 4:59 pm

swarlesbarkley wrote:
pepe1991 wrote:Gordon isn't bad on ball defender, but as team defender he kind a blows.
Gordon's whole "gimmick" in nba is to be athletic marvel without much basketball intelligence.
Just when i thought after last year that i was just rude and unfair with that assumption as he improved as passer, he goes whole summer to work on post up , turnaround mid range jumpers. Because ? Reasons.

It's funny how somebody spent 4 months working on part of his game that he menaged to implement like 3 times in 400 min , and shoot 32% from that shots.


Haven't you been saying that pro ballers can't really improve their game in the offseason anyway? That they're basically who they are going to be 4-5 years into career? Why does it matter what he worked on?


Can 30% three point shooter work hard whole summer and become 33% three point shooter on high usage ? Yes.
Can player who is poor dribbler and struggles with basic ballhandling skills develop somewhat respectul ballhandling skills over few months? Yes
Can 33% three point shooter work his way into Curry type level? No.
Can average ballhandler become Kyrie by just working hard? No
There are natural limits to everything.

I always debated, and in Gordon's case turned out to be right, that player won't make huge leaps in development after few years.
When half of the board argued me about Gordon and his potential i kept saying he will never be allstar level player ( there were few others who also agreed with me like fendilim) but vast majority of a board had " Paul Geroge, Blake Griffin, Kawhi Leonard" level of expetations.

Once he made progress i said he will be 3rd best player on really good team. To this date he never proved he can be that.
If you look at his stats in second half of third season (after Ibaka trade) and compare it to his stats last year, they are almost identical. His stats of first half of season with Ibaka are similar with his stats this year.

He is power forward and best used there. He will never be SF and he will never be superstar level player.

You try to pick fight with me for quite some time, like last time you didn't even read what other poster said about Fultz when you jumped on me for "using preseason stats". And that's just one of examples in last few weeks. If you wanna argue with me about something, fine we can work something out :lol: . But picking Gordon for my " development isn't miracle work" claim would be pretty poor decision as he is body of evidence that no matter how young player is entering nba, after few years he hits plateau.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread ‘19-'20 III: It's B-ball Time !!! 

Post#1773 » by tiderulz » Thu Nov 21, 2019 6:17 pm

cedric76 wrote:With Okeke coming back next season and Evan likely to opt out i really think we r gonna trade AG for a SG

14 th Dec

Gordon+DJ+2nd for Russell and Chriss

Fultz(28),Russell(20),MCW(0)
Russell(13),Evan(18),Ross(17)
Evan(15),Isaac(18),Iwundu(15)
Isaac(16),Chief(24),Chriss(8)
Vuc(31),Birch(7),Mo(10)

Next year Okeke will be able to get plenty Forward minutes

Lineup

Fultz,Russell,Evan

Russell primary back up for Fultz

Russell,Evan,Isaac,chief,vuc when fultz is bench

i dont think people should plan on Evan opting out.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread ‘19-'20 III: It's B-ball Time !!! 

Post#1774 » by zaymon » Thu Nov 21, 2019 6:29 pm

tiderulz wrote:
cedric76 wrote:With Okeke coming back next season and Evan likely to opt out i really think we r gonna trade AG for a SG

14 th Dec

Gordon+DJ+2nd for Russell and Chriss

Fultz(28),Russell(20),MCW(0)
Russell(13),Evan(18),Ross(17)
Evan(15),Isaac(18),Iwundu(15)
Isaac(16),Chief(24),Chriss(8)
Vuc(31),Birch(7),Mo(10)

Next year Okeke will be able to get plenty Forward minutes

Lineup

Fultz,Russell,Evan

Russell primary back up for Fultz

Russell,Evan,Isaac,chief,vuc when fultz is bench

i dont think people should plan on Evan opting out.

Evan playing as he had is well worth his contract. He would be perfect 3rd option behind Fultz and Vucevic.I hope he stays long term.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread ‘19-'20 III: It's B-ball Time !!! 

Post#1775 » by MasterGMer » Thu Nov 21, 2019 6:51 pm

What is the update on Vuc and AG?

Evan is playing great and I really hope he stays next year
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Post#1776 » by KillMonger » Thu Nov 21, 2019 7:14 pm

Now we're going to really see what Clifford is made of. He's going to have to replace vuc and AG's production with spare parts so to speak. We have no more "dump it to vuc and let him work" offense and letting AG do what he does. Clifford is now going to have to get creative with his offense because you can't run everything through fournier that would be idiocracy. So I expect more fultz and definitely more issac, could be a blessing in disguise.

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Post#1777 » by MasterGMer » Thu Nov 21, 2019 7:19 pm

Solid Snake wrote:Now we're going to really see what Clifford is made of. He's going to have to replace vuc and AG's production with spare parts so to speak. We have no more "dump it to vuc and let him work" offense and letting AG do what he does. Clifford is now going to have to get creative with his offense because you can't run everything through fournier that would be idiocracy. So I expect more fultz and definitely more issac, could be a blessing in disguise.

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Exactly what I said last night "blessing in disguise". We will see more Fultz, Issac and Bamba
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Post#1778 » by Blue_and_Whte » Thu Nov 21, 2019 7:36 pm

OrlandO wrote:
basketballRob wrote:
Blue_and_Whte wrote:Here we go... Basketballrobs drop mike moment.... No Bumbas defensive rating.

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If he had the worst defensive rating it would be posted non stop. Bamba has been a good defender this year.

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He has the worst DRTG over the last 6 games... he is trending in the wrong direction.

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Someone check on BasketballRob..You just crushed his only pro Bamba stat.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread ‘19-'20 III: It's B-ball Time !!! 

Post#1779 » by Blue_and_Whte » Thu Nov 21, 2019 7:38 pm

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Solid Snake wrote:Now we're going to really see what Clifford is made of. He's going to have to replace vuc and AG's production with spare parts so to speak. We have no more "dump it to vuc and let him work" offense and letting AG do what he does. Clifford is now going to have to get creative with his offense because you can't run everything through fournier that would be idiocracy. So I expect more fultz and definitely more issac, could be a blessing in disguise.

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Exactly what I said last night "blessing in disguise". We will see more Fultz, Issac and Bamba

Seeing more Bamba is in no way shape or form a blessing. Its a nightmare. and judging by Cliffs rotation were going to see more Birch because you know...we actually want to WIN games.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread ‘19-'20 III: It's B-ball Time !!! 

Post#1780 » by Magic_Johnny12 » Thu Nov 21, 2019 7:43 pm

Vuc out a min of 4 weeks

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