Jayson Tatum Is Struggling Because...

[Karate Diop]

Eh... Tatum's not really struggling... Yes there are moments when he shrinks because he doesn't have that A1 mentality, but he's getting better in that regard.

His biggest obstacle right now is the selfishness of Kemba Walker. I don't know what happened to Kemba but recently he just freezes out his own team down the stretch and makes terrible decisions...

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Wait you think Kemba has been a selfish player so far?

LOL

Oh he definitely has... It's been a direct carryover from last season and Team USA.

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[themoneyteam2]

Eh... Tatum's not really struggling... Yes there are moments when he shrinks because he doesn't have that A1 mentality, but he's getting better in that regard.

His biggest obstacle right now is the selfishness of Kemba Walker. I don't know what happened to Kemba but recently he just freezes out his own team down the stretch and makes terrible decisions...

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Wait you think Kemba has been a selfish player so far?

LOL

Oh he definitely has... It's been a direct carryover from last season and Team USA.

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He's been anything but selfish, evidenced by comments from teammates and media, as well as his on court performance.

Yes he had a bad game last night but if you watch the first 14 games you'd see on the court he's actually being less selfish than Kyrie for example. Ball doesn't stick with him.

[MagicBagley18]

Nah not gonna let you off the hook that easily because with all your knowledge you refer to his set back season (Yr 2) with his settling for taking long 2's etc to now him not settling for long 2's (this season or Yr3) vs my case of him attacking looking like he was on his way to being the next star (Yr1) to now (Yr3) which his %'s are lower and he doesn't attack the rim like he used to (Yr1).

That's eye test, could care less about a box score and the thread was made at the offset of last nites game in which he got pushed around and couldn't finish at the rim. Eye test his body hasn't progressed as much as his teammates or peers.

Therefore the thread to me his struggles scoring seems physical to me. Others said mentally which could also be it.

You jump in the thread hurt because you're a fan, I get it. He's not a terrible player, far from it.

I just thought he would be better than he is as a scorer at this stage.

Except, it’s not a set back season I’m referring to at all but his style of play- and his adjusting to his new style vs his old style and why it may take time for his fg % to improve and why it’s been so bad. So again you missed the point completely.

Your hypothesis is also flawed because in year 1 he hit difficult shots all season long, long fade-aways, mid ranges , one legged dirk shots, side way leaning jumpers etc.. it wasn’t sustainable. They were extremely difficult shots that he pulled out his ass. The entire reason he’s changed his play style is to get to the line more and attempt more free throws- something the coaching staff wanted him to do because it was lacking from his game season 1 and 2.

Him changing his shot selection and play style and mentality as led to set backs early on this year but will ultimately pay off in long term dividends that will allow his game to really reach new heights.

The fact that you think the reason for his success season 1 or a big part of his game was attacking the basket, shows you don’t know the player and haven’t watched him much and you demonstrated that by saying his body hasn’t changed at all when it clearly has. instead of allowing you to demonstrate how poorly you know his game, I’ll let you off the hook to stop you from embarrassing yourself any further.

Not hurt at all. Get familiar or get lost ( more so than u already are)

I need a pair of those designer rose colored glasses lol

But but his shoulders got wider... smh a 6'8" outstanding wing player having problems finishing at the rim... My bad for wasting time engaging with this particular poster about Tatum.

Honestly designer or not get the GLASSES....myself and about 4 or 5 other posters have said he’s added weight, so it’s not just bias. He has to add more and no way is he where he needs to be but he most def has bulked up some no question.

Get those glasses brother. Hopefully they’ll allow you to see through your own bull s hit

[MagicBagley18]

He's a fine player no argument there, but he could have got Anthony Davis for Tatum plus change if he had wanted I guarantee it and he passed. Anthony Davis. There's just no comparison in my mind and now the Lakers are set to challenge for a championship for the next few years. For the celtics, they'll be an underdog playoff team as usual but there's no way they make it past the second round.

He couldn't use Tatum in a trade for AD. A trade for AD was literally impossible for Boston last year unless it involved Kyrie because of that weird cap rule.

Then if it comes to trades for kawhi or Butler, Tatum wasn't even really talked about, it was Brown.

See the fear is real. There was a time in Boston where management would have been brave and believed their incredible culture would win over the player. That’s what happens with KG and that was the last time they won a championship. If they had managed to get Kawhi despite the cost then they probably would have had a championship last year. This year they probably could have got one if they had worked out a deal for AD. There’s always an excuse to be an also-ran. No risk takers left I guess. Probably what happens when you feel safe in your job like Ainge does. But Celts will never win a championship the way they are building that team.

Kg signed an extension with the trade. U have no clue what you’re talking about.

[Jcity08]

From what I see his struggles are due to him physically not getting much stronger or bigger.

From Duke to 2019 Celtics he pretty much still has his "baby body".

All the greats from Kobe LeBron MJ Wade on and on with the exception of maybe Durant put on weight in order to be more unstoppable.

I thought Tatum was in that mold, if he puts in weight I think he will be the player everyone thought he would be.

Do you agree, if not what do you feel is the reason for his struggles?

Hard disagree. Everyone that watches the Celts regularly agree that he got a lot wider in the shoulders and has some muscle now. I think he's mostly struggling because he drastically adjusted his shot profile and needs time to get used to it. Also he's just missing some makeables now that will drop. He does need to embrace contact more, i think he doesn't use the body he has nearly enough to his advantage.

We had a similar situation with OG on the Raptors. He wasn't really using his 6'8 frame to his advantage in seasons prior. Now he's using it in a big way and not shying from contact, rather he's using his strength to leverage for a basket.

It'll come around for Tatum eventually.

[SmartWentCrazy]

Eh... Tatum's not really struggling... Yes there are moments when he shrinks because he doesn't have that A1 mentality, but he's getting better in that regard.

His biggest obstacle right now is the selfishness of Kemba Walker. I don't know what happened to Kemba but recently he just freezes out his own team down the stretch and makes terrible decisions...

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Wait you think Kemba has been a selfish player so far?

LOL

He’s been struggling with his troll game recently. Hes just upset that the Nets look like crap and Celtics fans have hit the Nets fans pretty hard for all of their trolling this summer.

[LipSkinMatter]

NBA leader in net rating by a wide margin Jayson Tatum?

Are you trying to imply Tatum is one of the best players in the NBA?

[SmartWentCrazy]

He's a fine player no argument there, but he could have got Anthony Davis for Tatum plus change if he had wanted I guarantee it and he passed. Anthony Davis. There's just no comparison in my mind and now the Lakers are set to challenge for a championship for the next few years. For the celtics, they'll be an underdog playoff team as usual but there's no way they make it past the second round.

He couldn't use Tatum in a trade for AD. A trade for AD was literally impossible for Boston last year unless it involved Kyrie because of that weird cap rule.

Then if it comes to trades for kawhi or Butler, Tatum wasn't even really talked about, it was Brown.

See the fear is real. There was a time in Boston where management would have been brave and believed their incredible culture would win over the player. That’s what happens with KG and that was the last time they won a championship. If they had managed to get Kawhi despite the cost then they probably would have had a championship last year. This year they probably could have got one if they had worked out a deal for AD. There’s always an excuse to be an also-ran. No risk takers left I guess. Probably what happens when you feel safe in your job like Ainge does. But Celts will never win a championship the way they are building that team.

Man, Philly fans trying real hard to troll right here. That rough start to the season really has yall shook, huh?

[Blaze4G]

He's a fine player no argument there, but he could have got Anthony Davis for Tatum plus change if he had wanted I guarantee it and he passed. Anthony Davis. There's just no comparison in my mind and now the Lakers are set to challenge for a championship for the next few years. For the celtics, they'll be an underdog playoff team as usual but there's no way they make it past the second round.

He couldn't use Tatum in a trade for AD. A trade for AD was literally impossible for Boston last year unless it involved Kyrie because of that weird cap rule.

Then if it comes to trades for kawhi or Butler, Tatum wasn't even really talked about, it was Brown.

See the fear is real. There was a time in Boston where management would have been brave and believed their incredible culture would win over the player. That’s what happens with KG and that was the last time they won a championship. If they had managed to get Kawhi despite the cost then they probably would have had a championship last year. This year they probably could have got one if they had worked out a deal for AD. There’s always an excuse to be an also-ran. No risk takers left I guess. Probably what happens when you feel safe in your job like Ainge does. But Celts will never win a championship the way they are building that team.

If you don't know what you're talking about it is best not to say anything. We didn't win over KG, he signed an extension with the trade.

I like your "probabilities". You really think just trading for a super star makes the team "probably" win a championship? There is much more that goes into winning a championship. Probably means almost certainly.

[Curmudgeon]

A couple of articles the haters might want to read, one from the Boston Globe and another from the Ringer.

1.https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/celtics/2019/11/21/even-defeat-jayson-tatum-outplayed-two-nba-best/w974elg0SnYcYUNoaBmBAK/story.html

2.https://www.theringer.com/nba/2019/11/20/20972750/boston-celtics-wings-jayson-tatum-jaylen-brown

[ballup]

Tatum's restricted area percentages

Rookie season: 58%
Sophomore season: 61%
This season: 50%

Tatum's percentages off drives

list]Rookie season: 45%
Sophomore season: 46%
This season: 39%

The percentages clearly show a cold start rather than an issue that has never plagued him during his NBA career.j

[Celts17Pride]

NBA leader in net rating by a wide margin Jayson Tatum?

Are you trying to imply Tatum is one of the best players in the NBA?

Simply saying if your leading the NBA in net rating by a wide margin over guys like Lebron, Giannis, Kawhi etc. you can't be struggling too bad.

[LipSkinMatter]

NBA leader in net rating by a wide margin Jayson Tatum?

Are you trying to imply Tatum is one of the best players in the NBA?

Simply saying if your leading the NBA in net rating by a wide margin over guys like Lebron, Giannis, Kawhi etc. you can't be struggling too bad.

What about his advanced stats which place him as a league average player? .515 TS%, 17.2 PER, .104 WS/48, all on a fat 27.4% usage rate. That is borderline struggling.

[Celts17Pride]

Are you trying to imply Tatum is one of the best players in the NBA?

Simply saying if your leading the NBA in net rating by a wide margin over guys like Lebron, Giannis, Kawhi etc. you can't be struggling too bad.

What about his advanced stats which place him as a league average player? .515 TS%, 17.2 PER, .104 WS/48, all on a fat 27.4% usage rate. That is borderline struggling.

If you want to talk about struggling I would focus your attention on Philadelphia. 4-5 on the road?

[LipSkinMatter]

Simply saying if your leading the NBA in net rating by a wide margin over guys like Lebron, Giannis, Kawhi etc. you can't be struggling too bad.

What about his advanced stats which place him as a league average player? .515 TS%, 17.2 PER, .104 WS/48, all on a fat 27.4% usage rate. That is borderline struggling.

If you want to talk about struggling I would focus your attention on Philadelphia. 4-5 on the road?

Yeah we suck, doesn't change the fact that Tatum's TS% is hovering around 500.

[themoneyteam2]

What about his advanced stats which place him as a league average player? .515 TS%, 17.2 PER, .104 WS/48, all on a fat 27.4% usage rate. That is borderline struggling.

If you want to talk about struggling I would focus your attention on Philadelphia. 4-5 on the road?

Yeah we suck, doesn't change the fact that Tatum's TS% is hovering around 500.

If averaging 21/7/2 on 41% FG and 40% 3PT is league average player then sign me up.

He's been struggling at the rim and had one awful game. If you watch the games (you don't), it's the improved shot selection and volume of 3s which is a great sign.

[LipSkinMatter]

If you want to talk about struggling I would focus your attention on Philadelphia. 4-5 on the road?

Yeah we suck, doesn't change the fact that Tatum's TS% is hovering around 500.

If averaging 21/7/2 on 41% FG and 40% 3PT is league average player then sign me up.

He's been struggling at the rim and had one awful game. If you watch the games (you don't), it's the improved shot selection and volume of 3s which is a great sign.

How foolish do you have to be to assume what another man watches or doesn't watch? It's my job to watch sports, I've seen Tatum play smart guy. I actually really like the player based on the eye test and always have. Sadly, his advanced stats betray an inefficient shooter who doesn't do enough else well to grade out very well. He is young so there is plenty of room for growth, wouldn't surprise me to see him take that jump any time now, but it hasn't happened yet.

[Darth Celtic]

Tatum's restricted area percentages

Rookie season: 58%
Sophomore season: 61%
This season: 50%

Tatum's percentages off drives

list]Rookie season: 45%
Sophomore season: 46%
This season: 39%

The percentages clearly show a cold start rather than an issue that has never plagued him during his NBA career.j

but are they flat across all 14 games, or is there 1 game blowing up the %. (hint, it's 1 game, take out the 1-18 game and look at the other 13 games averages in the paint and stuff).

[Darth Celtic]

Yeah we suck, doesn't change the fact that Tatum's TS% is hovering around 500.

If averaging 21/7/2 on 41% FG and 40% 3PT is league average player then sign me up.

He's been struggling at the rim and had one awful game. If you watch the games (you don't), it's the improved shot selection and volume of 3s which is a great sign.

How foolish do you have to be to assume what another man watches or doesn't watch? It's my job to watch sports, I've seen Tatum play smart guy. I actually really like the player based on the eye test and always have. Sadly, his advanced stats betray an inefficient shooter who doesn't do enough else well to grade out very well. He is young so there is plenty of room for growth, wouldn't surprise me to see him take that jump any time now, but it hasn't happened yet.

remove the 1 bad game in a young 14 game season, what do your advanced stats show then.

[SmartWentCrazy]

Are you trying to imply Tatum is one of the best players in the NBA?

Simply saying if your leading the NBA in net rating by a wide margin over guys like Lebron, Giannis, Kawhi etc. you can't be struggling too bad.

What about his advanced stats which place him as a league average player? .515 TS%, 17.2 PER, .104 WS/48, all on a fat 27.4% usage rate. That is borderline struggling.

He had a historic outlier which is overweighting his stats down negatively. He wont continue to have 1-18 games every 14 games.