Future of PG position (in MIN)

Post #241 » by **Mamba4Goat** » Fri Nov 22, 2019 4:05 am

I would give up an overpay to get Smart as the PG of the future but Boston isn't trading him sadly.

Neeva · Post #242 » by **Neeva** » Fri Nov 22, 2019 4:13 am

Mamba4Goat wrote:I would give up an overpay to get Smart as the PG of the future but Boston isn't trading him sadly.

Good , what guard has success after being traded away from Boston lately??not counting Kyrie, their system Makes average guards look better than they are.

Jedzz · Post #243 » by **Jedzz** » Fri Nov 22, 2019 10:00 am

Klomp wrote:
Jedzz wrote:Exact same as I posted happened again tonight. Teague won't even shoot when open when the ball comes back to him. Well, he did shoot one single time early in the shot clock because everyone was far behind and after 1.5 seconds of pausing he just shot it. Otherwise he won't shoot because clearly he's been told to set Towns, Wiggs, and Culver up. Two games in a row of that's all he does. He's not driving and kicking, they have practiced things they are trying to get going with Towns and Culver. Wiggins sat in the corner for the whole first quarter off ball entirely and it wasn't a case where teague was ball hogging or anything. They were working on a Culver/Towns screen set repeatedly. It's practice right in front of our eyes.

Give me a PG they will allow to play PG already. We can't have three guys that are supposed to be PGs on the court at once. We have Culver they are trying to develop, Wiggins who plays best this year as Point Wiggins, and Teague starting at PG all playing together too often. It's hurting the starting crew to be experimenting and developing so much.

If they aren't going to allow Teague to play as a normal PG with the starting crew, then play him from the bench. Let Culver catch up to the speed of this game from bench minutes as a 2, even 3, and occasionally 1.

Don't like when role players don't shoot when open but don't like when role players shoot when open, hmmm.....

Where did you get that from my post? Where do I say anything about not liking when role players shoot when open?

I pointed out the one time he took a shot early when open to make sure it was clear I wasn't claiming he never does. But on that play he didn't shoot off of a pass. He got the ball on a small break and was first to the line and the rest of the team was still way back. Teague paused to wait for them even though he was already open because live I've posted, he's been told they want others to shoot and work on sets, not him. When realizing no Wolves were anywhere in sight yet he shot it. Too bad it didn't go in, but no surprise because it wasn't a deliberate action. It was more a, "well I better shoot because I feel like an idiot standing here" type of moment.

Post #244 » by **Mamba4Goat** » Fri Nov 22, 2019 1:45 pm

Neeva wrote:
Mamba4Goat wrote:I would give up an overpay to get Smart as the PG of the future but Boston isn't trading him sadly.

Good , what guard has success after being traded away from Boston lately??not counting Kyrie, their system Makes average guards look better than they are.

I'm not sure Smart blends in with those guys. He's just freaking great.

Post #245 » by **Klomp** » Fri Nov 22, 2019 7:54 pm

Jedzz wrote:Where did you get that from my post? Where do I say anything about not liking when role players shoot when open?

You didn't say it in that specific post, but have shared that sentiment in previous game threads in regards to both Graham and Culver specifically.

Jedzz · Post #246 » by **Jedzz** » Sat Nov 23, 2019 2:39 am

Klomp wrote:
Jedzz wrote:Where did you get that from my post? Where do I say anything about not liking when role players shoot when open?

You didn't say it in that specific post, but have shared that sentiment in previous game threads in regards to both Graham and Culver specifically.

I never have and I dare you to go find a post from me saying that. Maybe you are confusing me with someone else.

The only thing I have said during games, and it doesn't matter who is shooting, is that I hate when they jack up a rushed 3 attempt in the first 4 to 5 seconds of shot clock. I want to see them with ball movement that is getting someone truly open. These little heat checks if you can call them that aren't working for them very often. I see them as wasted possessions. The Wolves players are now notorious in my book for doing these whenever they get up in score by a few baskets. This just opens the door to the opponent to even it up. A 6 point lead and they force a turnover, so all of a sudden it's like the confidence reaches cocky level and it just ruins the next two possessions with slop shots. They seem to treat these as free possessionss, when what they could be are daggers if they deliberately made the opponet pay for that turnover.

WillyJakkz · Post #247 » by **WillyJakkz** » Sun Nov 24, 2019 4:17 am

Why is Teague starting again?

As soon as Wiggins and you guys were finding your way due to Wiggins running PG and having the ball in his hands making very good reads and decisions, Teague comes back in and it goes all to hell for you guys.

DaKid · Post #248 » by **DaKid** » Sun Nov 24, 2019 4:33 am

WillyJakkz wrote:Why is Teague starting again?

As soon as Wiggins and you guys were finding your way due to Wiggins running PG and having the ball in his hands making very good reads and decisions, Teague comes back in and it goes all to hell for you guys.

Exactly!

Crazy-Canuck · Post #249 » by **Crazy-Canuck** » Sun Nov 24, 2019 4:34 am

If this is a development season, why not try wiggs for an extended run instead of only when we have to. He doesnt have to be the pg, but someone who can we can play through.

Wiggs just looks out of rhythm playing off the ball and standing in the corner waiting for teague to make a move. The more he touches the ball, the better he is. However, touches doesnt mean only shots.

shrink · Post #250 » by **shrink** » Sun Nov 24, 2019 2:16 pm

WillyJakkz wrote:Why is Teague starting again?

As soon as Wiggins and you guys were finding your way due to Wiggins running PG and having the ball in his hands making very good reads and decisions, Teague comes back in and it goes all to hell for you guys.

As well as Wiggins has been when Teague was out, all he was really doing was making kick outs when he drives. That’s great, and effective in our 5-out, but Teague is still a far better passer, and understandably sees the floor better than Wiggins.

If we kept Wiggins as PG for long runs, to help him develop, it would hurt the development of our other young players. Teaching Wiggins may be important, but all the other young players need to learn too. While Teague is unlikely to be back next year, “some” PG will probably be brought in to start.

Hopefully point-Wiggins that can be more of a plan next year though, and in certain runs now when Teague is off the court.

old school 34 · Post #251 » by **old school 34** » Mon Nov 25, 2019 2:59 am

shrink wrote:
WillyJakkz wrote:Why is Teague starting again?

As soon as Wiggins and you guys were finding your way due to Wiggins running PG and having the ball in his hands making very good reads and decisions, Teague comes back in and it goes all to hell for you guys.

As well as Wiggins has been when Teague was out, all he was really doing was making kick outs when he drives. That’s great, and effective in our 5-out, but Teague is still a far better passer, and understandably sees the floor better than Wiggins.

If we kept Wiggins as PG for long runs, to help him develop, it would hurt the development of our other young players. Teaching Wiggins may be important, but all the other young players need to learn too. While Teague is unlikely to be back next year, “some” PG will probably be brought in to start.

Hopefully point-Wiggins that can be more of a plan next year though, and in certain runs now when Teague is off the court.

I love Wiggs approach & things going to new level for him. But I'd love for him to continue to develop to the next level as well...in picking those spots & maintaining that efficiency while playing next to a PG as well... now maybe Teague isn't that guy long term, but it's where he needs to continue to push towards if he's really going to be part of our hopefully long term championship caliber future plan.

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andyhop · Post #252 » by **andyhop** » Mon Nov 25, 2019 6:46 am

WillyJakkz wrote:Why is Teague starting again?

As soon as Wiggins and you guys were finding your way due to Wiggins running PG and having the ball in his hands making very good reads and decisions, Teague comes back in and it goes all to hell for you guys.

The simple answer is that the team is terrible overall offensively when Teague isn't on court, of course they are terrible defensively when he is so it is a two edged sword

Jedzz · Post #253 » by **Jedzz** » Mon Nov 25, 2019 8:06 am

WillyJakkz wrote:Why is Teague starting again?

As soon as Wiggins and you guys were finding your way due to Wiggins running PG and having the ball in his hands making very good reads and decisions, Teague comes back in and it goes all to hell for you guys.

Have no idea. Does "We are the Timberwolves" answer the question?

Tukkerwolf · Post #254 » by **Tukkerwolf** » Wed Nov 27, 2019 7:38 pm

Tukkerwolf wrote:
minimus wrote:
Tukkerwolf wrote:I'm sorry, but are willingly ignoring my main question: Who do you envision as our PG next season? Toronto won't trade Van Vleet and I certainly don't hope you want to start Kriss f*cking Dunn?

As for now - Wiggins. Napier backup.

Ok, thanks. But then I'm glad you're not our GM.

I have to apologize for this comment. I still think Point-Wiggins is a mistake, but apparantly I'm the only one, so it's crow for dinner tonight.

minimus · Post #255 » by **minimus** » Wed Nov 27, 2019 7:52 pm

Tukkerwolf wrote:
Tukkerwolf wrote:
minimus wrote:
As for now - Wiggins. Napier backup.

Ok, thanks. But then I'm glad you're not our GM.
I have to apologize for this comment. I still think Point-Wiggins is a mistake, but apparantly I'm the only one, so it's crow for dinner tonight.

No worries, mate

shrink · Post #256 » by **shrink** » Wed Nov 27, 2019 10:15 pm

Tukkerwolf wrote:I still think Point-Wiggins is a mistake, but apparantly I'm the only one, so it's crow for dinner tonight.

I don’t completely disagree with you, so you’re not alone.

I think Wiggins needs to play some PG this season, when we aren’t expected to make the playoffs. He seems engaged when he has the ball, and we need him to stay engaged to break those habits of apathy he gets. He clearly worked on his handles last summer, and if he has another summer focused on that, I’d be fine with him playing 20 back up minutes at PG (maybe Culver can develop for PG minutes too). Both provide terrifying match up problems for opposing coaches.

That said, I still feel we may need a PG for the future. He needs to be young, fit the system, be able to defend, and be able to hit three pointers credibly. My guess is that we will address that problem next summer, either by using our pick in the PG-laden draft, or making a trade for someone young and cheap that a team wants to move, to keep the path open for the growth of a PG that THEY selected in the PG-laden draft.

For now though, give me point-Wiggins and point-Culver, and Teague off the bench to help the younger players develop.

life_saver · Post #257 » by **life_saver** » Thu Nov 28, 2019 12:09 am

I think Point Wiggins will work against poor/mediocre defenses but I doubt it's gonna work when we face good defenses..

Jedzz · Post #258 » by **Jedzz** » Thu Nov 28, 2019 12:11 am

shrink wrote:
For now though, give me point-Wiggins and point-Culver, and Teague off the bench to help the younger players develop.

How are they supposed to have Point Wiggins and Point Culver and Teague first off the bench with 22-26 minutes?

Rather Culver playing sidekick guard to both Wiggins and Teague.

minimus · Post #259 » by **minimus** » Thu Nov 28, 2019 8:37 am

One very important thing worth to mention. With Culver on the floor Wiggins does not have to bring the ball in offense. Wiggins can start possesions on wings offe the ball then use couple of screens to get that space to operate. Wiggins can save some energy by not initiating offense. Also Culver size and wingspan allows him to switch PG-SG-SF in defense, which also is beneficial for our defense. Once Teague is in, we allow a lot of open 3s or easy putbacks.

minimus · Post #260 » by **minimus** » Thu Nov 28, 2019 9:53 am

life_saver wrote:I think Point Wiggins will work against poor/mediocre defenses but I doubt it's gonna work when we face good defenses.

Well prepared team will adjust their gameplan accordingly. For instance, the difference between first game against UTA and second game. That was playoff like experience. UTA coaching staff prepared, adjusted gameplan, and players executed it. We have too many rookies to play like this every game. At the same time we need to rely on KBD, Kelan Martin guys to step up. I expect us to make a big jump when we add 1-2 experienced players. Just like it happened with PHO, when they added Baynes, Rubio, Obre and Kaminsky and let Bender, Jackson go.