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Game 14: New Orleans Pelicans (5-9) @ Phoenix Suns (7-6) - 10:30 PM ET

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Re: Game 14: New Orleans Pelicans (5-9) @ Phoenix Suns (7-6) - 10:30 PM ET 

Post#421 » by bwgood77 » Fri Nov 22, 2019 8:17 am

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Didn't even look up the stats of the game, but damn, how did we lose with those kind of stats? 12 more games and then Ayton is back right? Hopefully he is the difference maker that can change these losses to dubs.


Well yes, but with Baynes and Rubio and maybe just one of them we win this one most likely anyway. We just need those guys to get back.

I didn't realize Baynes was out so long like Revived mentioned.


What is his injury? I thought he would only be out just that one game a couple days ago.


Me too. He was probable. Not sure. Maybe the info he has is wrong.
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Re: Game 14: New Orleans Pelicans (5-9) @ Phoenix Suns (7-6) - 10:30 PM ET 

Post#422 » by Revived » Fri Nov 22, 2019 10:36 am

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Well yes, but with Baynes and Rubio and maybe just one of them we win this one most likely anyway. We just need those guys to get back.

I didn't realize Baynes was out so long like Revived mentioned.


What is his injury? I thought he would only be out just that one game a couple days ago.


Me too. He was probable. Not sure. Maybe the info he has is wrong.

I was making an educated guess based on his injury (hip flexor). It wasn’t based on any reports or anything from the team.

I hope he can come back sooner, I’d be pleasantly surprised.

Baynes wasn’t probable for tonight, he was ruled out early on. Rubio was doubtful and the ones that were probable were Kaminsky, Cam Johnson and someone else (Saric?).
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Re: Game 14: New Orleans Pelicans (5-9) @ Phoenix Suns (7-6) - 10:30 PM ET 

Post#423 » by Qwigglez » Fri Nov 22, 2019 11:40 am

Was able to watch the game, here's my analysis / play-by-play while watching the game...

1st quarter. Two threes from Kaminsky that just rimmed out. A missed layup by Saric that should have went in. JJ Redick was scorching hot. Ball hit two consecutive jumpers, his shot looks a lot better than last year. They are double-teaming Booker whenever he asks for a pick, almost seems Booker is having a tough time finding the open man in these type of situations I've noticed recently. Okobo's three also looked good but rimmed out. Pelicans played a full court press that resulted in Diallo having an open lane but defense collapsed on him, he had two open shooters on each wing in Booker and Cam, probably could have hit them but instead misses a contested layup. Later, Cam Johnson hits a three in the same spot he was in earlier. Holiday hits a tough layup over Bridges. Okobo hits a circus layup with the and 1. He's looked really good in the 1st. Booker again, struggles in the pick and roll to end the quarter.

2nd quarter. Seemed to be some kind of confusion defensively as to who is guarding who that leaves Moore open for a three. These kind of situations shouldn't happen to a veteran team. Carter with back to back mid-range jumpers. Wow, Holiday hits a three off the dribble in front of Diallo's face, that's a tough shot to hit. Good backdoor cut by Oubre to get a foul and two free throws. Bridges takes his first shot (I think) and makes it. I really hope he finds his rhythm offensively. The Pelicans have gotten a few offensive rebounds that they probably wouldn't get if we even had Baynes. Moore hits a three despite the close defense by Carter. Kaminsky misses a layup. Misses another one but got bailed out by the foul. Johnson's wide open three is too strong. Really bad pass out of a pick by Booker that results in Ingram being fouled on the other side. Again though, Booker is struggling out of picks. We've been fortunate this quarter with the Pelicans missing shots, though most are well contested. Ingram got a lot of FT's this quarter too. Saric misses an easy layup, typical of our bigs but at least he got FT's. Williams of the Pelicans misses an easy layup so we got that going for us. Oubre ends the quarter with a made three. Up 7 at half.

3rd quarter. Booker makes a great feed to Kaminsky that leads to a foul, unfortunately no free throws since Kaminsky was looking to pass. Redick hits a long three. Wide open three by Ingram too. Booker hits a long three. Redick in the face of Saric, wow. Pelicans have made 7 of 7 shots to start the 3rd quarter. Redick in the face of Kaminsky now. Ball with a three in the corner because of poor coverage by Oubre, 10 for 10 to start the quarter by the Pels. Okob hits a three, good to see making shots. Apparently no one wants to miss on the Pels because Melli hits a three in the corner. Booker with another bad possession out of the pick. Ball on the other hand hits a cutting Melli off the pick and roll, Booker take notes. Diallo with a nice block on Ball, but Redick hits a jumper off the inbound play right after. Okobo definitely looks like he's earned more time. I could see us comfortably trading Ty Johnson with Okobo's development. Moore has killed us off the bench has 14 points thru 3 quarters. Carter with good defense to end the quarter. Pels up by 1 95-94.

4th quarter. Bridges is getting more comfortable with his role on the team. Melli hits another three. Bad defense by our bench unit that gives the Pelicans a 9 point lead to start the quarter. Jesus another difficult jumper by Jrue with defense on him. Oubre with two good drives to the bucket. Booker with a good pocket pass to Kaminsky who gets blocked going to the rim. Had that been Ayton I'm sure that's an And1 opportunity. Booker misses a wide open three that was setup by Ty Johnson's steal on the other end. Ingram misses a three at the top of the arc only for no one on the Suns to hustle for the easy rebound, Moore gets it and finds Ingram open for another three and hits that one. That's the type of play you gotta make to win the game. Moore hits a three, and then makes a layup. Can't have these kind of players have such big nights. Damn, Ingram hits a tough mid-range shot over Ty Johnson. Cam Johnson's three just rims out, unlucky there as that would have cut the lead to one. Ingram with a huge block on Ty. Oubre misses a wide open three. Ingram with a tough layup and1. Booker seems to make sloppy passes in the last three minutes, he should only look to score and only make easy passes in these situations.


Overall, I wasn't too disappointed with our efforts tonight. Guys were hot on the Pelicans. Probably should have played better against Moore. Redick, Ingram, and Jrue I expected to play well, though I didn't expect Redick to shoot this amazing. I liked what Okobo did, Bridges, Oubre, and Cam played great too. Tough to win when we are so depleted with Ayton, Rubio, Baynes, and Jerome out. Moral victories don't yield wins but it's good to know we didn't lose to a Pelicans team if we had our entire roster available.
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Re: Game 14: New Orleans Pelicans (5-9) @ Phoenix Suns (7-6) - 10:30 PM ET 

Post#424 » by Dual » Fri Nov 22, 2019 12:39 pm

It was painful loss because the way we played we could have won, but Pelicans were on fire all the game.
Saric has been awful lately, and is incredible how soft he is finishing around the basket.
Tyler played good finally and Dialo and Okobo were better.
But as someone said we are missing badly our pgs and ofc Baynes and Ayton.
We lost, but the image was better than last games and that show me we can go to the playoffs.
We have still a lot of knuckleheads in the team, luckily most of them are at the end of the rotation, but right now our IQ on the court is no the best.
Let's hope Baynes and Ricky are back on Saturday against Minny.
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Re: Game 14: New Orleans Pelicans (5-9) @ Phoenix Suns (7-6) - 10:30 PM ET 

Post#425 » by DroughtsOverPHX » Fri Nov 22, 2019 12:47 pm

You are not a stretch 4/5 unless you actually hit shots. For this reason alone, Diallo should be getting minutes we are giving to Saric and Kaminsky. A hustler, rim-protector feels a lot more useful that the non-defenders who can't hit shots at this point. It will be nice having something close to a full roster again where you don't have to mull over weird combinations of players.

Having heard Barkley declare we will not make the playoffs makes me hope even more that we do.
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Re: Game 14: New Orleans Pelicans (5-9) @ Phoenix Suns (7-6) - 10:30 PM ET 

Post#426 » by Crives » Fri Nov 22, 2019 2:00 pm

I’m worried Book/Bridges get listed as day to day with knee contusions after that tumble.
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Post#427 » by Dual » Fri Nov 22, 2019 2:03 pm

Crives wrote:I’m worried Book/Bridges get listed as day to day with knee contusions after that tumble.

It was an ugly collision that's for sure
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Re: Game 14: New Orleans Pelicans (5-9) @ Phoenix Suns (7-6) - 10:30 PM ET 

Post#428 » by hollywood6964 » Fri Nov 22, 2019 2:32 pm

DroughtsOverPHX wrote:You are not a stretch 4/5 unless you actually hit shots. For this reason alone, Diallo should be getting minutes we are giving to Saric and Kaminsky. A hustler, rim-protector feels a lot more useful that the non-defenders who can't hit shots at this point. It will be nice having something close to a full roster again where you don't have to mull over weird combinations of players.

Having heard Barkley declare we will not make the playoffs makes me hope even more that we do.

If they can et healthy sooner than later, they will. This team is too good. Don't be surprised when Rubio and Baynes come back that they rattle off 5 in a row and this whole board is talking about deep playoff pushes, etc.
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Re: Game 14: New Orleans Pelicans (5-9) @ Phoenix Suns (7-6) - 10:30 PM ET 

Post#429 » by bwoolf2 » Fri Nov 22, 2019 3:04 pm

DroughtsOverPHX wrote:You are not a stretch 4/5 unless you actually hit shots. For this reason alone, Diallo should be getting minutes we are giving to Saric and Kaminsky. A hustler, rim-protector feels a lot more useful that the non-defenders who can't hit shots at this point. It will be nice having something close to a full roster again where you don't have to mull over weird combinations of players.

Having heard Barkley declare we will not make the playoffs makes me hope even more that we do.


Ya I dont think Saric is a starter in this league just too slow footed, if he was a flame thrower from 3 he could get away with it but he is just average, still a role player if the bench but no way I pay him. you conlan hide him on D with Baynes or Ayton who are good enough athletes to help cover him, but would rather see oubre, bridges, Johnson, diallo get most of his minutes
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Re: Game 14: New Orleans Pelicans (5-9) @ Phoenix Suns (7-6) - 10:30 PM ET 

Post#430 » by Frank Lee » Fri Nov 22, 2019 4:46 pm

Qwigglez wrote:Can someone give a recap? Didn't watch the game because I went to a comedy show.


So did I.... no wait... I watched the game :-? Your laughs were likely better
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Re: Game 14: New Orleans Pelicans (5-9) @ Phoenix Suns (7-6) - 10:30 PM ET 

Post#431 » by bwgood77 » Fri Nov 22, 2019 4:57 pm

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What is his injury? I thought he would only be out just that one game a couple days ago.


Me too. He was probable. Not sure. Maybe the info he has is wrong.

I was making an educated guess based on his injury (hip flexor). It wasn’t based on any reports or anything from the team.

I hope he can come back sooner, I’d be pleasantly surprised.

Baynes wasn’t probable for tonight, he was ruled out early on. Rubio was doubtful and the ones that were probable were Kaminsky, Cam Johnson and someone else (Saric?).


Yeah, I knew he wasn't probable last night but was the game before...I figured it was the same lingering injury.
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Re: Game 14: New Orleans Pelicans (5-9) @ Phoenix Suns (7-6) - 10:30 PM ET 

Post#432 » by Jdiddy701 » Fri Nov 22, 2019 5:21 pm

Woke up feeling a bit better. I do think we all overreacted with saying the Suns are a playoff team so early in the season. We should be fighting for the 8th seed but no way are we a lock. I have us out the playoffs unless James Jones trades for a legit PF. Luckily, Spurs and Portland have been terrible to start the season but there are other teams who have also stepped up.

The good news is we are a competitive team that does not lose by 20+ points every night anymore with a great coach, that I can say with confidence. Still waiting for Booker to take over. Hopefully Baynes and Rubio are back soon.


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Re: Game 14: New Orleans Pelicans (5-9) @ Phoenix Suns (7-6) - 10:30 PM ET 

Post#433 » by hollywood6964 » Sat Nov 23, 2019 5:22 am

Jdiddy701 wrote:Woke up feeling a bit better. I do think we all overreacted with saying the Suns are a playoff team so early in the season. We should be fighting for the 8th seed but no way are we a lock. I have us out the playoffs unless James Jones trades for a legit PF. Luckily, Spurs and Portland have been terrible to start the season but there are other teams who have also stepped up.

The good news is we are a competitive team that does not lose by 20+ points every night anymore with a great coach, that I can say with confidence. Still waiting for Booker to take over. Hopefully Baynes and Rubio are back soon.


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Booker is not capable of taking over, not in the sense of a Kobe Bryant like ball dominant take over. Also, this is a very good team. We're missing 3 key players, and only have been losing since at least 2/3 have been out. Without Ayton we are thin, so health is important, but get Rubio and Baynes back and we'll go on a winning trend, if not streak, immediately.
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Re: Game 14: New Orleans Pelicans (5-9) @ Phoenix Suns (7-6) - 10:30 PM ET 

Post#434 » by Bogyo » Sat Nov 23, 2019 7:30 am

Felt a bit like last year, in a sense that with the injuries we have no real NBA caliber PG or C. When 2 positions are "empty" out of 5 it's really hard to win in this league. Let's not get anybody else injured, heal the ones that are out now, and get back to our winning ways.

(Also, pisses me off a bit that I heard no real mention of the injuries in national media... they just kinda like, yeah Suns cooled off after their hot start... f that... but not like we haven t gotten used to that cr*p)
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Re: Game 14: New Orleans Pelicans (5-9) @ Phoenix Suns (7-6) - 10:30 PM ET 

Post#435 » by RiRuHoops » Sat Nov 23, 2019 6:07 pm

Missed last 3 games due to traveling, so when do expect Rubio and Baynes to be back ?

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