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Re: 2019-20 Offseason Thread 

Post#101 » by Schad » Fri Nov 22, 2019 4:31 pm

Skin Blues wrote:He can probably stick at catcher. Other than concussion issues, catchers usually perform well enough to remain at the position into their mid-30s. He'll be 34 when his contact ends. As for whether the White Sox will be any good these next 2 years, I'd probably guess no. But as with the Jays, their hopes really ride on how well their pitching pans out.


No catcher 33 or older has exceeded 2.6 fWAR (Brian McCann in 2017) in the past three seasons, and Yadi Molina/Russ Martin (once each) are the only players to surpass that threshold in the past seven years. Aren't a lot of good old catchers.
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Re: 2019-20 Offseason Thread 

Post#102 » by Skin Blues » Fri Nov 22, 2019 4:45 pm

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Skin Blues wrote:He can probably stick at catcher. Other than concussion issues, catchers usually perform well enough to remain at the position into their mid-30s. He'll be 34 when his contact ends. As for whether the White Sox will be any good these next 2 years, I'd probably guess no. But as with the Jays, their hopes really ride on how well their pitching pans out.


No catcher 33 or older has exceeded 2.6 fWAR (Brian McCann in 2017) in the past three seasons, and Yadi Molina/Russ Martin (once each) are the only players to surpass that threshold in the past seven years. Aren't a lot of good old catchers.

Everybody sucks more as they get old. My point is, I don't think they'll be moving him to 1B after 2 years. He'd have to deteriorate way faster than expected, in order for that to happen.
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Re: 2019-20 Offseason Thread 

Post#103 » by dagger » Fri Nov 22, 2019 5:02 pm

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Skin Blues wrote:He can probably stick at catcher. Other than concussion issues, catchers usually perform well enough to remain at the position into their mid-30s. He'll be 34 when his contact ends. As for whether the White Sox will be any good these next 2 years, I'd probably guess no. But as with the Jays, their hopes really ride on how well their pitching pans out.


No catcher 33 or older has exceeded 2.6 fWAR (Brian McCann in 2017) in the past three seasons, and Yadi Molina/Russ Martin (once each) are the only players to surpass that threshold in the past seven years. Aren't a lot of good old catchers.

Everybody sucks more as they get old. My point is, I don't think they'll be moving him to 1B after 2 years. He'd have to deteriorate way faster than expected, in order for that to happen.


After two years? Not likely. Since Abreu is back for 3 years.

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Re: 2019-20 Offseason Thread 

Post#104 » by Black Watch » Fri Nov 22, 2019 9:06 pm

Schad wrote:The Grandal deal is perfectly fair, but as is often the case with moves the White Sox make, it's a question of whether they're the team that ought to be signing that perfectly fair deal. He's likely a major bargain next year, and maybe the year after, but the aging curve for catchers generally isn't kind. The White Sox have improved despite a number of missteps, but are they going to compete before Grandal becomes an okay 1B?

Similarly, I'm surprised there wasn't a competitive team willing to take that massive bargain up front.

I expect the ChiSox to turn the corner sooner than later.
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Post#105 » by agkagk » Sun Nov 24, 2019 12:07 am

Black Watch wrote:
Schad wrote:The Grandal deal is perfectly fair, but as is often the case with moves the White Sox make, it's a question of whether they're the team that ought to be signing that perfectly fair deal. He's likely a major bargain next year, and maybe the year after, but the aging curve for catchers generally isn't kind. The White Sox have improved despite a number of missteps, but are they going to compete before Grandal becomes an okay 1B?

Similarly, I'm surprised there wasn't a competitive team willing to take that massive bargain up front.

I expect the ChiSox to turn the corner sooner than later.


They’re a starling marte trade and a wade Miley level signing away.

A Jimenez - marte - Luis Robert outfield would be something.
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Gray definitely seems like an interesting target. A move away from Coors could do him well. He has electric stuff. Get 'er done Shatkins
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Sanders' departure creates questions for Blue Jays ahead of crucial draft - Sportsnet.ca

TORONTO – The Pirates’ front office overhaul has already cost the Blue Jays one of their top executives. Soon, it will cost them another.

As first reported by ESPN’s Jeff Passan and since confirmed by an industry source to Sportsnet, Blue Jays amateur scouting director Steve Sanders – considered by some a future GM – will be leaving the Blue Jays. His next job will be with Ben Cherington, the former Blue Jays executive who replaced Neal Huntington as Pittsburgh’s baseball ops leader last month.

While details of Sanders’ new role aren’t yet clear, it stands to reason that he’s joining the Pirates for a significant promotion such as assistant GM. According to a person close to the team, Cherington left the Blue Jays with an understanding that he wouldn’t deplete the Blue Jays’ front office unless a significant promotion was involved. That appears to be the case here.

Some in the industry consider Sanders a future GM candidate, too. His baseball operations career began a decade ago when he interned for the Los Angeles Dodgers. He later worked for the Red Sox under Cherington before joining the Blue Jays in the fall of 2016.

Senior VP of player personnel Tony LaCava mentored Sanders in Toronto and has extensive experience in amateur scouting, so it’s not as though the Blue Jays are completely depleted. The Blue Jays could rely on LaCava to guide the club’s amateur scouting efforts in 2020 or pair him with another emerging executive such as Sanders.

Either way, the stakes are high. The Blue Jays have the fifth overall pick in next year’s draft – a huge opportunity for the franchise to add an impact player, and the first time Toronto has picked this high since 1997. That selection led to Vernon Wells, underscoring the potential opportunity for Sanders’ replacement and the importance for the Blue Jays of finding the right successor.
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Post#117 » by polo007 » Tue Dec 3, 2019 3:55 pm

Rosenthal: Wheeler will be a $100 million man; the market for Bumgarner and Castellanos; more notes – The Athletic

Oh, to be free-agent right-hander Zack Wheeler.

His stuff is elite. His career innings total is low. His recent durability is encouraging.

Any day now, he will be a $100 million man.

Wheeler, 29, has received at least one $100 million offer and will land a five-year deal in excess of that amount, according to major-league sources.

The White Sox, Twins, Reds, Rangers and Blue Jays are among the clubs pursuing Wheeler
, who is the leading free-agent alternative to fellow right-handers Gerrit Cole and Stephen Strasburg even though his career ERA+ (ERA adjusted to park and league) is exactly league average.

A pitcher’s long-term health is difficult to predict. Teams craft narratives to justify whatever additions they make, believing what they want to believe. But the intense interest in Wheeler indicates that clubs view him as a No. 3 starter at worst, a No. 1 at best.
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Re: 2019-20 Offseason Thread 

Post#118 » by Wo1verine » Tue Dec 3, 2019 4:36 pm

Already $100M offer in hand? Yeah, i'll eat my shoe if Toronto signs him.

I totally expect starters like Roark/Shoemaker and Pineda.
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Re: 2019-20 Offseason Thread 

Post#119 » by Wo1verine » Tue Dec 3, 2019 4:46 pm

After the non-tender deadline, the Blue Jays have the 2nd lowest committed payroll in all of baseball ($69.3 million) behind only the Marlins ($65 million). Lower than the Rays ($70M), Pirates ($71M), Orioles ($80M), and Royals ($85M)
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