GT # 16, Heat @ Bulls, 22 Nov 2019, 7 PM CT, NBC SCH

[kodo]

Fairly amazing how Riley, Spo and the Heat can't be kept down too long and seem to always bounce back to be competitive/respectable.

Quite a contrast in organizations. I've never been a Heat, Riley or Spo fan, but credit where it's due, while the Bulls organization appears to have a long way to go.

But hasn't MIA more or less been in the dreaded "nba hell" of being a middle to low seeded playoff team most of the time, even since James and Wade left? Isn't this what you want to avoid at all costs? Do you really see this MIA team as a serious contender to win it all?

I don't think what they've been doing since James left has been that remarkable. They have a few good players, and build around them with good role players. Good enough for 40-45 wins or so, and a first or second round exit in the playoffs.

Miami has averaged 41.8 wins per season for 5 seasons since they lost Lebron.
Bulls averaged 45 wins per season for 5 seasons since Rose tore his ACL.

So both teams more or less performed the same after losing their star.

Getting Jimmy was a great move, but a lot of that has to do with the city of Miami. If Spo was coaching Goran Dragic and Justise Winslow in Minnesota or Utah, Jimmy Butler doesn't join that team.

[mtron32]

Hopefully LaVine and Lauri are both good tonight

[Red Larrivee]

Fairly amazing how Riley, Spo and the Heat can't be kept down too long and seem to always bounce back to be competitive/respectable.

Quite a contrast in organizations. I've never been a Heat, Riley or Spo fan, but credit where it's due, while the Bulls organization appears to have a long way to go.

But hasn't MIA more or less been in the dreaded "nba hell" of being a middle to low seeded playoff team most of the time, even since James and Wade left? Isn't this what you want to avoid at all costs? Do you really see this MIA team as a serious contender to win it all?

I don't think what they've been doing since James left has been that remarkable. They have a few good players, and build around them with good role players. Good enough for 40-45 wins or so, and a first or second round exit in the playoffs.

There's nothing wrong with being middle of the road. It's just a matter of whether you have the assets to keep improving. Miami's drafted and developed well, and they're still an appealing free agent destination.

I don't buy Miami as a title contender, but they have a window to get there with Jimmy. They're one more piece away.

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[dougthonus]

Fairly amazing how Riley, Spo and the Heat can't be kept down too long and seem to always bounce back to be competitive/respectable.

Quite a contrast in organizations. I've never been a Heat, Riley or Spo fan, but credit where it's due, while the Bulls organization appears to have a long way to go.

Since the Heat lost the big 3 they have:
37, 48, 41, 44, and 39 wins

After the ACL Tear, the Bulls had:
45, 48, 50, 42, and 41 wins prior to deciding rebuild.

The Heat, like the Bulls prior to rebuilding, have no way to get better. Granted, the Bulls have a pretty good chance of not getting back to where the Heat are (or where they were) either.

[madvillian]

Duncan Robinson, a guy they found off the UDFA scrap heap, is twice the player Hutch is. Ugh.

[VolumePoster]

Duncan Robinson, a guy they found off the UDFA scrap heap, is twice the player Hutch is. Ugh.

Hutch really is a bit of a head scratcher. He’s a good athlete and rebounds hard but he’s not a lockdown defender and his shooting remains cringeworthy.

[madvillian]

Duncan Robinson, a guy they found off the UDFA scrap heap, is twice the player Hutch is. Ugh.

Hutch really is a bit of a head scratcher. He’s a good athlete and rebounds hard but he’s not a lockdown defender and his shooting remains cringeworthy.

The DX scouting report on him out of Boise just screamed "big fish small pond". I'm always skeptical of non Major guys that are seniors with high usage that are just better athletes than 90% of the guys they play.

[samwana]

Duncan Robinson, a guy they found off the UDFA scrap heap, is twice the player Hutch is. Ugh.

It all comes back to the front office, they don't let the game come to them. They decide who's going to be a star and don't let game play decide.

They want their draft picks to become players, they keep most their mistakes too long, so we have a lot of dead weight on the roster. Felicio, Valentine and maybe a few more. Those two don't play and occupy valuable roster spots, where you rotate some promising players.

And of course you don't decide to keep someone worthless with draft pedigree over Dinwiddie or mistakes like that. Or trade for a worthless #14th draft pick where everyone sees he's not NBA material, but since you were high on him at draft time he is worth trading for.

Riley is still sneaky good. Spo too, great coach, mostly gets the best out of players..

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[Ice Man]

The Heat, like the Bulls prior to rebuilding, have no way to get better.

I'm no salary-cap expert, but with the Heat having $107 million guaranteed for next year (as opposed to a $136 million payroll this year) and $60 million for the following year, they would seem to have room to add a significant piece.

[MalagaBulls]

Duncan Robinson, a guy they found off the UDFA scrap heap, is twice the player Hutch is. Ugh.

Hutch really is a bit of a head scratcher. He’s a good athlete and rebounds hard but he’s not a lockdown defender and his shooting remains cringeworthy.

The DX scouting report on him out of Boise just screamed "big fish small pond". I'm always skeptical of non Major guys that are seniors with high usage that are just better athletes than 90% of the guys they play.

This screams of potential botched scouting like the Bears taking Shaheen, who is a literal bust in his 2nd season.

[FriedRise]

Actually, there's a chance that this could be a trap game for Miami. They're playing a National TV game tomorrow vs Philly, which obviously is more important in terms of standings.

[dougthonus]

The Heat, like the Bulls prior to rebuilding, have no way to get better.

I'm no salary-cap expert, but with the Heat having $107 million guaranteed for next year (as opposed to a $136 million payroll this year) and $60 million for the following year, they would seem to have room to add a significant piece.

They'll have about 50 million in space assuming they get down to:
Jimmy, Bam, Nun, Herro, 2020 1st,

Maybe they can make something happen if Jimmy doesn't slow down and someone wants to come and play with him. Though still the exact same boat we were in Jimmy + Cap room and hope. Maybe Bam/Herro/Nun become more legit though.

[RedBulls23]

Fairly amazing how Riley, Spo and the Heat can't be kept down too long and seem to always bounce back to be competitive/respectable.

Quite a contrast in organizations. I've never been a Heat, Riley or Spo fan, but credit where it's due, while the Bulls organization appears to have a long way to go.

Since the Heat lost the big 3 they have:
37, 48, 41, 44, and 39 wins

After the ACL Tear, the Bulls had:
45, 48, 50, 42, and 41 wins prior to deciding rebuild.

The Heat, like the Bulls prior to rebuilding, have no way to get better. Granted, the Bulls have a pretty good chance of not getting back to where the Heat are (or where they were) either.

Heat have young players that can get better and have shown improvement, and I believe they will have cap space to go after free agents. Plus they already have a all NBA caliber player in Jimmy.

I think you're underrating their roster. Will they win a title? probably not, but they will be a fun competitive team for the foreseeable future.

[StunnerKO]

Kendrick Nunn homecoming


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[mtron32]

Fairly amazing how Riley, Spo and the Heat can't be kept down too long and seem to always bounce back to be competitive/respectable.

Quite a contrast in organizations. I've never been a Heat, Riley or Spo fan, but credit where it's due, while the Bulls organization appears to have a long way to go.

Since the Heat lost the big 3 they have:
37, 48, 41, 44, and 39 wins

After the ACL Tear, the Bulls had:
45, 48, 50, 42, and 41 wins prior to deciding rebuild.

The Heat, like the Bulls prior to rebuilding, have no way to get better. Granted, the Bulls have a pretty good chance of not getting back to where the Heat are (or where they were) either.

Heat have young players that can get better and have shown improvement, and I believe they will have cap space to go after free agents.

I think you're underrating their roster. Will they win a title? probably not, but they will be a fun competitive team for the foreseeable future.

The Heat seam to be building their roster similar to the Raps, Jimmy is the icing on top. I'm looking forward to seeing how far they go..........as long as they lose tonight

[RedBulls23]

The Heat, like the Bulls prior to rebuilding, have no way to get better.

I'm no salary-cap expert, but with the Heat having $107 million guaranteed for next year (as opposed to a $136 million payroll this year) and $60 million for the following year, they would seem to have room to add a significant piece.

They'll have about 50 million in space assuming they get down to:
Jimmy, Bam, Nun, Herro, 2020 1st,

Maybe they can make something happen if Jimmy doesn't slow down and someone wants to come and play with him. Though still the exact same boat we were in Jimmy + Cap room and hope. Maybe Bam/Herro/Nun become more legit though.

Bam, Nun, Herro look better than what the Bulls had with Jimmy.

Who did the Bulls have with Jimmy (the year right before they traded him) that's as good as Bam is?

[ATRAIN53]

Kendrick Nunn homecoming

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Myers Leonard too!

This should get more emphasis than Butlers 4th return visit....

I mean if you want ILLINIOIS basketball to matter to kids, this kinda stuff helps.
2 starters on an NBA team here

That had to help with swaying that huge commitment they got yesterday from that Miller Kid.


Jimmy gonna carve us up, he THRIVES on revenge.
Who is gonna guard him?

[bad knees]

Kendrick Nunn homecoming

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Myers Leonard too!

This should get more emphasis than Butlers 4th return visit....

I mean if you want ILLINIOIS basketball to matter to kids, this kinda stuff helps.
2 starters on an NBA team here

That had to help with swaying that huge commitment they got yesterday from that Miller Kid.


Jimmy gonna carve us up, he THRIVES on revenge.
Who is gonna guard him?

Shaq will guard him, I would guess. Should be fun.

[Mech Engineer]

What Heat(Riley) have done well are 2 things...

1. Riley is more of an established winner which the Bulls have never had except when Krause was with the Bulls. That gives him an advantage when attracting stars during trade or free agency. As the famous LeBron 2010 free agency comments go(not sure how much it is exaggerated)....Riley threw his rings on the desk and that basically was a big deal in winning over LeBron.

2. Riley has slowly given up a lot of his power/grunt work to more analytical minded folks. That helps not just in the game schemes but also in drafting/development etc...

They have never been a laughing stock like the Bulls have been with lots of useless drama other than the initial year of LeBron. And, they have had a lot of stability.

Plus, I don't think they have had so many high picks like the Bulls. The Bulls have had cap-space, high picks and chances to trade but still f'ed up a lot. Most GMs would salivate for the advantage GarPax have had.

[StunnerKO]

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