GT # 16, Heat @ Bulls, 22 Nov 2019, 7 PM CT, NBC SCH

TheGOATRises007 · Post #221 » by **TheGOATRises007** » Sat Nov 23, 2019 2:04 am

Lauri is literally a terrible 3 point shooter now.

How long before it's no longer a slump?

TheSuzerain · Post #222 » by **TheSuzerain** » Sat Nov 23, 2019 2:04 am

Young improves to 1 for 4 on finger roll layups

johnnyvann840 · Post #223 » by **johnnyvann840** » Sat Nov 23, 2019 2:04 am

BookerBulls wrote:I don't know how all the blame goes on Zach - he is not a PG and shouldn't be asked to play like one. He can't drive open lanes because none of our team can hit a three, so they just collapse on him. Let's see how he looks within a decent offensive scheme and a half-decent PG that actually breaks down a defense and can hit an open man.

Yes he makes some dumb decisions - but if you think that Zach is to blame for this sh** show; you need to take off the blinkers.

Let's lose this one by 40 and hopefully we start getting some media pressure on Boylen and our clown of a front office. I can only hope.

It's not all Zach's fault... but he's a huge part of the problem.

HoopsterJones · Post #224 » by **HoopsterJones** » Sat Nov 23, 2019 2:04 am

Bulls just can’t pull any closer.

weneeda2guard · Post #225 » by **weneeda2guard** » Sat Nov 23, 2019 2:05 am

What you are seeing from lauri and lavine is them coming to terms that they are just not good enough

We might be able to get some confidence back in them with a coaching change because I believe they are both blaming a ton of this on the coach.

But for the most part, this core is done and we need to hit the eject button on it quickly. Only keepers at this point is coby and Carter jr. Get the best return you can get for lauri and lavine now while they have some kind of trade value. Wait too long you wont get much of anything

Kurt Heimlich · Post #226 » by **Kurt Heimlich** » Sat Nov 23, 2019 2:06 am

Lauri is shifting from what's wrong with this dude to actually sorta feeling bad for him. Dude is literally losing 10s upon 10s of millions of dollars. At least we didnt max him before he cashed out.

TheGOATRises007 · Post #227 » by **TheGOATRises007** » Sat Nov 23, 2019 2:06 am

weneeda2guard wrote:What you are seeing from lauri and lavine is them coming to terms that they are just not good enough

We might be able to get some confidence back in them with a coaching change because I believe they are both blaming a ton of this on the coach.

But for the most part, this core is done and we need to hit the eject button on it quickly. Only keepers at this point is coby and Carter jr. Get the best return you can get for lauri and lavine now while they have some kind of trade value. Wait too long you wont get much of anything

We have nothing.

At least Butler was a true asset.

No one would give us anything for Lauri and Lavine.

This is a colossal failure on GarPax's part.

They need to be fired.

RememberLu · Post #228 » by **RememberLu** » Sat Nov 23, 2019 2:06 am

weneeda2guard wrote:What you are seeing from lauri and lavine is them coming to terms that they are just not good enough

We might be able to get some confidence back in them with a coaching change because I believe they are both blaming a ton of this on the coach.

But for the most part, this core is done and we need to hit the eject button on it quickly. Only keepers at this point is coby and Carter jr. Get the best return you can get for lauri and lavine now while they have some kind of trade value. Wait too long you wont get much of anything

I completely agree with two caveats

1. Nobody on this roster should be ruled out of trade scenarios. Not one person
2. GarPax can't be the ones to rebuild their own rebuild. Can't happen.

erlim · Post #229 » by **erlim** » Sat Nov 23, 2019 2:06 am

Barf.

mtron32 · Post #230 » by **mtron32** » Sat Nov 23, 2019 2:06 am

weneeda2guard wrote:What you are seeing from lauri and lavine is them coming to terms that they are just not good enough

We might be able to get some confidence back in them with a coaching change because I believe they are both blaming a ton of this on the coach.

But for the most part, this core is done and we need to hit the eject button on it quickly. Only keepers at this point is coby and Carter jr. Get the best return you can get for lauri and lavine now while they have some kind of trade value. Wait too long you wont get much of anything

Lauri blames himself probably, LaVine blames the coach.

TeamMan · Post #231 » by **TeamMan** » Sat Nov 23, 2019 2:06 am

HoopsterJones wrote:Bulls just can’t pull any closer.

Boylen getting a coaching lesson.

Heat running a slow motion offense to take away the Bulls running game.

Bulls weren't prepared.

VolumePoster · Post #232 » by **VolumePoster** » Sat Nov 23, 2019 2:07 am

Not sure where we go from here. Down I suppose.

mtron32 · Post #233 » by **mtron32** » Sat Nov 23, 2019 2:08 am

RememberLu wrote:
weneeda2guard wrote:What you are seeing from lauri and lavine is them coming to terms that they are just not good enough

We might be able to get some confidence back in them with a coaching change because I believe they are both blaming a ton of this on the coach.

But for the most part, this core is done and we need to hit the eject button on it quickly. Only keepers at this point is coby and Carter jr. Get the best return you can get for lauri and lavine now while they have some kind of trade value. Wait too long you wont get much of anything

I completely agree with two caveats

1. Nobody on this roster should be ruled out of trade scenarios. Not one person
2. GarPax can't be the ones to rebuild their own rebuild. Can't happen.

Agreed on this no one on this team is untouchable at this point, that includes the coach and front office.

Mozart · Post #234 » by **Mozart** » Sat Nov 23, 2019 2:08 am

This is just sad.

Hangtime84 · Post #235 » by **Hangtime84** » Sat Nov 23, 2019 2:09 am

Kurt Heimlich wrote:Lauri is shifting from what's wrong with this dude to actually sorta feeling bad for him. Dude is literally losing 10s upon 10s of millions of dollars. At least we didnt max him before he cashed out.

He is on his 3rd year of a 4 year rookie deal

wonderboy2 · Post #236 » by **wonderboy2** » Sat Nov 23, 2019 2:09 am

BookerBulls wrote:I don't know how all the blame goes on Zach - he is not a PG and shouldn't be asked to play like one. He can't drive open lanes because none of our team can hit a three, so they just collapse on him. Let's see how he looks within a decent offensive scheme and a half-decent PG that actually breaks down a defense and can hit an open man.

Yes he makes some dumb decisions - but if you think that Zach is to blame for this sh** show; you need to take off the blinkers.

Let's lose this one by 40 and hopefully we start getting some media pressure on Boylen and our clown of a front office. I can only hope.

Exactly Lavine is this boards whipping boy. But Sato has been **** for a while. The bulls have zero guys that can get their own shot of besides white and Lavine. The bulls need a Starting quality pg in the worst way.

mtron32 · Post #237 » by **mtron32** » Sat Nov 23, 2019 2:09 am

Welp, I figured Miami would blow us out but I thought we could hang till the third at least.

Post #238 » by **DuckIII** » Sat Nov 23, 2019 2:10 am

johnnyvann840 wrote:
t-time wrote:Article tonight

‘Despite losing by 75 points, Boylan never felt prouder of the team’

He doesn't say things like that... he would rather throw the players under the bus. Never seen him take any accountability for anything that happens. He points the finger instead.

more like..

Boylen says he "can't go out there and play for them"

Watch on YouTube

Kurt Heimlich · Post #239 » by **Kurt Heimlich** » Sat Nov 23, 2019 2:10 am

Hangtime84 wrote:
Kurt Heimlich wrote:Lauri is shifting from what's wrong with this dude to actually sorta feeling bad for him. Dude is literally losing 10s upon 10s of millions of dollars. At least we didnt max him before he cashed out.

He is on his 3rd year of a 4 year rookie deal

Thanks captain obvious?

He was on track to getting a huge post rookie contract that is now thanos snapping in front of his eyes.

weneeda2guard · Post #240 » by **weneeda2guard** » Sat Nov 23, 2019 2:10 am

BookerBulls wrote:I don't know how all the blame goes on Zach - he is not a PG and shouldn't be asked to play like one. He can't drive open lanes because none of our team can hit a three, so they just collapse on him. Let's see how he looks within a decent offensive scheme and a half-decent PG that actually breaks down a defense and can hit an open man.

Yes he makes some dumb decisions - but if you think that Zach is to blame for this sh** show; you need to take off the blinkers.

Let's lose this one by 40 and hopefully we start getting some media pressure on Boylen and our clown of a front office. I can only hope.

Been saying this for weeks. He is being called on to continue to fill a role that the front office was supposed to had fixed signing sato and drafting coby. Yet lavine is still being called on to be a major facilitator and play maker and we knew last season he wasnt that. He needs to play off the ball and just score.

But there is a lot of blame to go around, starting with garpax who shipped stars like Jimmy off like they can just find someone else and that task has proven to be difficult. I knew this before we traded Jimmy

Then we have a coach who just doesn't get this team prepared to play and they clearly have lost hope in whatever boylen is preaching

Then you get to lavine and lauri who are just not carrying this team.

Then you get down to sato who produces like a 3rd string player, dunn who still cant shoot, young who burned us religiously when we played against him but cant score crap now, getting killed on the boards which is all the forwards fault and unable to defend well which is a personnel issue

So it's not all lavine fault. he plays a part though