GT # 16, Heat @ Bulls, 22 Nov 2019, 7 PM CT, NBC SCH

[cool007]

I really hope Bulls trade both Lavine and Markkanen because I am so sure that with a different coach/system, they both would look a LOT better than they are showing.

They both don't like this coach/system and can't wait to get out of this team.

[HoopsterJones]

We need to start a rebuild from this rebuild.
But hire a real coach first.

[wonderboy2]

Man I telling you at this point Jerian Grant gave the bulls more production than Sato has. If any other PG has played like Sato has people would be calling for an upgrade or benching.

[DASMACKDOWN]

You don't have to tear the whole thing down. Just make tweaks.

Because we all know we don't have patience to start over.

[Repeat 3-peat]

You don't have to tear the whole thing down. Just make tweaks.

Because we all know we don't have patience to start over.

Unless there is a new front office.

[TheSuzerain]

You don't have to tear the whole thing down. Just make tweaks.

Because we all know we don't have patience to start over.

GarPax won’t do it.

Which is why we should be praying they get the axe.

Because we need to blow this up. Sad but true.

The plan should be to tank hard the year the 1 and done goes away.

[DASMACKDOWN]

I didn't realize Nunn was already 24.

[mtron32]

I don't know how all the blame goes on Zach - he is not a PG and shouldn't be asked to play like one. He can't drive open lanes because none of our team can hit a three, so they just collapse on him. Let's see how he looks within a decent offensive scheme and a half-decent PG that actually breaks down a defense and can hit an open man.

Yes he makes some dumb decisions - but if you think that Zach is to blame for this sh** show; you need to take off the blinkers.

Let's lose this one by 40 and hopefully we start getting some media pressure on Boylen and our clown of a front office. I can only hope.

Been saying this for weeks. He is being called on to continue to fill a role that the front office was supposed to had fixed signing sato and drafting coby. Yet lavine is still being called on to be a major facilitator and play maker and we knew last season he wasnt that. He needs to play off the ball and just score.

But there is a lot of blame to go around, starting with garpax who shipped stars like Jimmy off like they can just find someone else and that task has proven to be difficult. I knew this before we traded Jimmy

Then we have a coach who just doesn't get this team prepared to play and they clearly have lost hope in whatever boylen is preaching

Then you get to lavine and lauri who are just not carrying this team.

Then you get down to sato who produces like a 3rd string player, dunn who still cant shoot, young who burned us religiously when we played against him but cant score crap now, getting killed on the boards which is all the forwards fault and unable to defend well which is a personnel issue

So it's not all lavine fault. he plays a part though

you aren't wrong, Zach is playing out of position and some cats actually wanted him as PG last year . I figured Bulls would go after Rubio or something

[wonderboy2]

I don't know how all the blame goes on Zach - he is not a PG and shouldn't be asked to play like one. He can't drive open lanes because none of our team can hit a three, so they just collapse on him. Let's see how he looks within a decent offensive scheme and a half-decent PG that actually breaks down a defense and can hit an open man.

Yes he makes some dumb decisions - but if you think that Zach is to blame for this sh** show; you need to take off the blinkers.

Let's lose this one by 40 and hopefully we start getting some media pressure on Boylen and our clown of a front office. I can only hope.

Been saying this for weeks. He is being called on to continue to fill a role that the front office was supposed to had fixed signing sato and drafting coby. Yet lavine is still being called on to be a major facilitator and play maker and we knew last season he wasnt that. He needs to play off the ball and just score.

But there is a lot of blame to go around, starting with garpax who shipped stars like Jimmy off like they can just find someone else and that task has proven to be difficult. I knew this before we traded Jimmy

Then we have a coach who just doesn't get this team prepared to play and they clearly have lost hope in whatever boylen is preaching

Then you get to lavine and lauri who are just not carrying this team.

Then you get down to sato who produces like a 3rd string player, dunn who still cant shoot, young who burned us religiously when we played against him but cant score crap now, getting killed on the boards which is all the forwards fault and unable to defend well which is a personnel issue

So it's not all lavine fault. he plays a part though

+100 Sato is a back up point guard AT BEST. I’m mean teams are giving him open lanes, open shots, and are playing him soft as hell and he still can’t score. His passing is mediocre at best.

[DuckIII]

You don't have to tear the whole thing down. Just make tweaks.

Because we all know we don't have patience to start over.

I do. I’m a firm believer that in the NBA, as soon as you know what you have won’t work, you blow it up without hesitation and start over. And you keep doing it until you get something legitimate to build with.

I’m not saying to throw in the towel right now. But a month from now I sure as hell would start.

[johnnyvann840]

Article tonight

‘Despite losing by 75 points, Boylan never felt prouder of the team’

He doesn't say things like that... he would rather throw the players under the bus. Never seen him take any accountability for anything that happens. He points the finger instead.

more like..

Boylen says he "can't go out there and play for them"

Watch on YouTube

That is RICH.

[cool007]

Fire GarPax - like yesterday.

Until then we will continually sucking as they will keep making stupid mediocre or worse decisions over and over and over again.
Rinse and repeat.

Fire GarPax!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Bulls fans deserve better. We need change fast!

[Herrdoktor33]

I still think they're playing this bad on purpose so they get Boylen fired. Don't know if that's common there in the USA but here in Argentina's soccer it is. When 3 or 4 veteran or important players don't like the coach, the team does not respond.

[Michael Jackson]

Expect the Bulls to lose by about 30, but this is the type of game they need to win to instill some genuine hope that they can turn things around. They need to beat a team that just doesn't completely suck ass.

Doug, by 30? I was hoping the meltdown would only be a 15-20 point deficit.

Wasn't a serious number I put thought into. I really just meant that I don't expect a competitive game.

Well at halftime your random guess looks like a good bet.

[DASMACKDOWN]

You don't have to tear the whole thing down. Just make tweaks.

Because we all know we don't have patience to start over.

Unless there is a new front office.

Right which is why its just pointless in asking for another 'rebuild'

[RememberLu]

I really hope Bulls trade both Lavine and Markkanen because I am so sure that with a different coach/system, they both would look a LOT better than they are showing.

They both don't like this coach/system and can't wait to get out of this team.

I don't know if they would look better on another team, but it's clear they're not looking good here. They're looking worse with every passing year, if anything.

I mean, we sign a 25 year old small forward to be the complimentary piece, and the guy can't stay on the court. You're 26 dude, not 36.

Then the two guy you thought were your main guys can't seem to string a decent game together at the same time to save their lives. Have these two EVER both had a good game the same night as each other?

The lethargic and disinterested way they both came out tonight tells you everything. These guys cannot carry a team anywhere, it's foolish to keep acting like these are our franchise players.

[SHO'NUFF]

I’d rather watch 1800’s porn in a Kinetoscope than this Bulls team....

[VolumePoster]

You don't have to tear the whole thing down. Just make tweaks.

Because we all know we don't have patience to start over.

A tear down is incredibly unlikely.

I don’t think there is any organizational stress or urgency. That was the case years ago when Derrick was around. This seems to be fine now.

[Pure_Basketball]

From an outsiders perspective, it looks like the Bulls players (some/most) are playing for themselves. I think I've seen Markannen post up on a guard 3/4 times just for LaVine and White to try and do their own thing and iso instead of giving him the ball with the mismatch.

thats been a long flaw of the guards.

Obviously a small sample of my behalf as I've only watched a couple of Chicago games. But just in the limited time that I've watched I've certainly noticed Markannen is not getting used when he clearly has mismatches.

[mtron32]

You don't have to tear the whole thing down. Just make tweaks.

Because we all know we don't have patience to start over.

I do. I’m a firm believer that in the NBA, as soon as you know what you have won’t work, you blow it up without hesitation and start over. And you keep doing it until you get something legitimate to build with.

I’m not saying to throw in the towel right now. But a month from now I sure as hell would start.

The problem is I don't trust Paxon to rebuild Legos at this point so blowing it up does nothing unless they clean house.