***The Official Musa Thread***

SpeedyG · Post #321 » by **SpeedyG** » Thu Nov 21, 2019 1:42 pm

It will probably never happen, but they guy Musa needs to learn from and model his game after is already on that bench.

He needs to live, eat, sleep with that midrange shot.

Actually, scratch that. Because KD is a completely different animal as a scorer.

Musa needs to watch how Russell operated the pnr last season.

That should be his game that he tries to develop.

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Dzon Dilindzer · Post #322 » by **Dzon Dilindzer** » Thu Nov 21, 2019 1:54 pm

for all his offensive struggles, im really happy with his hustle and defense

offense will come around, hopefully soon enough, thats his game, hes a scorer whos shot isnt falling currently

Dzon Dilindzer · Post #323 » by **Dzon Dilindzer** » Thu Nov 21, 2019 2:13 pm

after last nights game

SpeedyG · Post #324 » by **SpeedyG** » Thu Nov 21, 2019 2:36 pm

Dzon Dilindzer wrote:after last nights game

lol do you run his fan page?

But I will say, both games I attended at Barclays, Musa was the first to.come out for shootarounds. Like...15 minutes before everyone else does (well not everyone, Rodi was after him maybe 5 minutes)

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Dzon Dilindzer · Post #325 » by **Dzon Dilindzer** » Thu Nov 21, 2019 2:48 pm

lol nope

i used to be on fb a lot, but that has changed long time ago, now i only log in to see something i have interest in and thats rarely and i dont have ig, twitter or whatever... but i like musa, hes my fellow bosnian, so i follow him

maybe hes trying to hard cause he wants to prove himself, so he put pressure on himself, i dont know

MrDollarBills · Post #326 » by **MrDollarBills** » Thu Nov 21, 2019 4:44 pm

I think we need to run Musa at back up PG while Kyrie is out. Theo is not interested in moving the ball, I think Musa should play on the ball when Dinwiddie is out.

MrDollarBills · Post #327 » by **MrDollarBills** » Thu Nov 21, 2019 4:45 pm

SpeedyG wrote:
Dzon Dilindzer wrote:after last nights game

lol do you run his fan page?

But I will say, both games I attended at Barclays, Musa was the first to.come out for shootarounds. Like...15 minutes before everyone else does (well not everyone, Rodi was after him maybe 5 minutes)

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we need to see this shot go down in games. His shooting needs to become a factor while he is on the floor.

SpeedyG · Post #328 » by **SpeedyG** » Thu Nov 21, 2019 4:47 pm

MrDollarBills wrote:
SpeedyG wrote:
Dzon Dilindzer wrote:after last nights game

lol do you run his fan page?

But I will say, both games I attended at Barclays, Musa was the first to.come out for shootarounds. Like...15 minutes before everyone else does (well not everyone, Rodi was after him maybe 5 minutes)

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we need to see this shot go down in games. His shooting needs to become a factor while he is on the floor.

Yeah they were practically daring him from three and he kept missing.

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MGrand15 · Post #329 » by **MGrand15** » Thu Nov 21, 2019 5:35 pm

Musa really needs to start grabbing this chance and making the most of it. Kenny easily could've gone with Nwaba during this stretch for his defense / energy. The team is committed to developing him. Everyone misses shots and I expect him to get better but at a certain point, he has to start making them. LeVert is probably coming back in 2 to 3 weeks. Rodi will hopefully get back in the rotation sometime. Musa has to prove he's ready for a legit role really soon. Whether that's as a scorer or a secondary playmaker, it's hard to tell.

About the players not liking him - I haven't seen that. Do they trust him 100% yet? I don't think so. Does he get yelled at or whatever for being in the wrong spots? Yeah. He's 20 on a team with vets looking to win. It's normal. That's on him to earn their trust and minimize the mistakes. I don't think there's anything personal there or anything off.

SpeedyG · Post #330 » by **SpeedyG** » Thu Nov 21, 2019 5:52 pm

MGrand15 wrote:Musa really needs to start grabbing this chance and making the most of it. Kenny easily could've gone with Nwaba during this stretch for his defense / energy. The team is committed to developing him. Everyone misses shots and I expect him to get better but at a certain point, he has to start making them. LeVert is probably coming back in 2 to 3 weeks. Rodi will hopefully get back in the rotation sometime. Musa has to prove he's ready for a legit role really soon. Whether that's as a scorer or a secondary playmaker, it's hard to tell.

About the players not liking him - I haven't seen that. Do they trust him 100% yet? I don't think so. Does he get yelled at or whatever for being in the wrong spots? Yeah. He's 20 on a team with vets looking to win. It's normal. That's on him to earn their trust and minimize the mistakes. I don't think there's anything personal there or anything off.

Musa will still get minutes unless someone just explodes out of nowhere.

He's been really good defensively for the most part, and he's allowed us to really switch on the perimeter because of his size. Hes really playing the Rodi roll last season...not as good a shooter but a better playmaker and not as out of control.

Nwaba can't handle the ball at all. I could see him playing alongside Musa, but it's pretty clear we need two ball handlers ideally for our offense to really click.

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Papi_swav · Post #331 » by **Papi_swav** » Thu Nov 21, 2019 6:10 pm

SpeedyG wrote:It will probably never happen, but they guy Musa needs to learn from and model his game after is already on that bench.

He needs to live, eat, sleep with that midrange shot.

Actually, scratch that. Because KD is a completely different animal as a scorer.

Musa needs to watch how Russell operated the pnr last season.

That should be his game that he tries to develop.

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The one guy I think he should model his game after is our old pal Bogdanovic. They are similar physicality wise, but Bogs is so crafty in his scoring. Musa can run the point and pass alot better than Bogs. But if Musa can score as efficiently as Bogs does than he would be a steal. He needs to focus on knocking those 3s down in game, that is what's going to give him more playing time for now.

Papi_swav · Post #332 » by **Papi_swav** » Thu Nov 21, 2019 6:10 pm

Dzon Dilindzer wrote:after last nights game

lol why is his hands like that :lol:

ecuhus1981 · Post #333 » by **ecuhus1981** » Thu Nov 21, 2019 8:15 pm

^
Yeah, his hand-flip was the first thing that I noticed. Not to disparage him, it probably doesn't affect his shot, that's just an unusual follow-through.

It's great to see the young fella putting in extra work, even after a game. I don't see the can't-miss prospect that others do in him, but if he does fizzle it surely won't be for lack of effort.

Prokorov · Post #334 » by **Prokorov** » Fri Nov 22, 2019 3:12 pm

Uncbball8293 wrote:
Prokorov wrote:
jbeachboy wrote:do you guys think nwaba should be playing over musa?

yes... or over someone. we need an energy guy who defends.

In my short time on this board I got to say you are just a ray of sunshine!!

If that's the case Prince and Jordan shouldn't touch the court if we are talking about energy. I've watched Kyrie job back on D countless times this year. It all starts from the top with Vet leadership, this has nothing to do with Musa, Pinson, Rodi, or Clax our young guys. They are going to make mistakes and it's to be expected. What should never be expected is a lack of effort from veteran leadership and that's been evident all year watching the Nets play.

Prince/Jordan are WHY we need to play Nwaba more... to offset their energy levels and lapses.

Musa isnt Prince... he doesnt shoot 40%+ from three and overall provide efficient offense. Musa isnt Jordan, he doesnt finish lobs, grab 15 rebounds per 36 and guard 7 footers.

We dont really have better options then prince/jordan.

the same cant be said for Musa (at least not at this point in his career).

Prokorov · Post #335 » by **Prokorov** » Fri Nov 22, 2019 3:21 pm

MGrand15 wrote:Musa really needs to start grabbing this chance and making the most of it. Kenny easily could've gone with Nwaba during this stretch for his defense / energy. The team is committed to developing him. Everyone misses shots and I expect him to get better but at a certain point, he has to start making them. LeVert is probably coming back in 2 to 3 weeks. Rodi will hopefully get back in the rotation sometime. Musa has to prove he's ready for a legit role really soon. Whether that's as a scorer or a secondary playmaker, it's hard to tell.

About the players not liking him - I haven't seen that. Do they trust him 100% yet? I don't think so. Does he get yelled at or whatever for being in the wrong spots? Yeah. He's 20 on a team with vets looking to win. It's normal. That's on him to earn their trust and minimize the mistakes. I don't think there's anything personal there or anything off.

Yeah ive seen nothing to indicate that the team doesnt like him/is frustrated with him... its just the normal "hey rookie" type stuff if he doesnt make the right decision, thats expected for all young players.

I also agree he has a nice opportunity and needs to take advantage. last year in a similar situation Kurucs had the opportunity with Carroll/RHJ hurt and he really shined. So far Musa hasnt. He needs to at least hit the WIDE open no one withing 10 feet threes at 30% or better. right now its like he cant hit anything.

He is 4-23 from three and most of those are open/lightly contested.

Could just be a cold spell, im more concerned about when he puts it on the floor then his shooting... everyone gets cold... look at harris recently and he is a sniper. But these drives where he throws himself at the rim with a no look circus shot that has no chance is A) not going to go in, B) goign to put him on the floor while the other team goes the other way 3) get him injured.

He could also help himself stay on the floor by helping teammates creating offense for them. right no just 9 assists and 12 turnovers. if the benefit of him is having a "6'9" point-forward" then his passing needs to lead to offense.

Our offense has really struggled with him on the floor... he is at 84 points per 100 possesions with a -5.5 offensive BPM

he has a few weeks to turn it around before we see levert... it would be great if he had a kurucs like arrival durning that time. His D has been good enough to stay on the floor.

Claud · Post #336 » by **Claud** » Fri Nov 22, 2019 8:44 pm

Musa needs to hit 3pt shots consistently to stay in this league.

I have liked his hustle and effort on defense but offensivelly he seems to be struggling to shoot/score consistently.

Stll very young and would rather developt Musa over playing guys like Temple/Nwaba/Shump who won't be here long-term.

This is a great opportunity for Musa to get a lot of important playing time and be in real game scenarios until Caris and Kyrie are back.

Uncbball8293 · Post #337 » by **Uncbball8293** » Sat Nov 23, 2019 12:04 pm

If you remember when Ersan Ilyasova first came over here as a 19 year old he was verys similar to Musa now, just physically weak and awkward on the court. He left after that age 19 season and went back over to Europe to play for 2 years before coming back at age 22. Ersan may have some of the worst feet and quickness in the game, but is always at the top of the league every year in charges taken and always has given you that hustle and rebounding. He is only an inch taller than Musa is. The way you are seeing Musa hustle on the court right now reminds me of Ersan a little. He's changing his game in every way possible to stick, doing things he's never done on the court before making defense, rebounding, and hustle a priority each night. Way too early to tell what will happen with him, but what I do like is he has a winning mentality. He could be back in Europe in 2-3 years and never see the NBA again or find a way to carve out a role on a winning NBA team.

SpeedyG · Post #338 » by **SpeedyG** » Sat Nov 23, 2019 1:43 pm

Uncbball8293 wrote:If you remember when Ersan Ilyasova first came over here as a 19 year old he was verys similar to Musa now, just physically weak and awkward on the court. He left after that age 19 season and went back over to Europe to play for 2 years before coming back at age 22. Ersan may have some of the worst feet and quickness in the game, but is always at the top of the league every year in charges taken and always has given you that hustle and rebounding. He is only an inch taller than Musa is. The way you are seeing Musa hustle on the court right now reminds me of Ersan a little. He's changing his game in every way possible to stick, doing things he's never done on the court before making defense, rebounding, and hustle a priority each night. Way too early to tell what will happen with him, but what I do like is he has a winning mentality. He could be back in Europe in 2-3 years and never see the NBA again or find a way to carve out a role on a winning NBA team.

I don't really see Ersan as a comparison. No telling how big Musa can get, but I don't think I want him that big. He's a versatile 3/ playmaking 4 IMO, and that's what he should be working on.

He's a willing passer but I think sometimes he passes up on open looks to set someone up (usually a three). Is it lack of confidence? Usually the guy he's passing to are open though, but since no one in that unit is a consistent shooter... they are often missed.

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Prokorov · Post #339 » by **Prokorov** » Sat Nov 23, 2019 3:36 pm

Claud wrote:Musa needs to hit 3pt shots consistently to stay in this league.

I have liked his hustle and effort on defense but offensivelly he seems to be struggling to shoot/score consistently.

Stll very young and would rather developt Musa over playing guys like Temple/Nwaba/Shump who won't be here long-term.

This is a great opportunity for Musa to get a lot of important playing time and be in real game scenarios until Caris and Kyrie are back.

surprised to see this.... Temple is the kind of guy you need around stars if you want to win a title. He is like a middle-class man's danny green. Good shooter, Solid Defender of multiple positions, High BBIQ, etc...

Prokorov · Post #340 » by **Prokorov** » Sat Nov 23, 2019 3:38 pm

Uncbball8293 wrote:If you remember when Ersan Ilyasova first came over here as a 19 year old he was verys similar to Musa now, just physically weak and awkward on the court. He left after that age 19 season and went back over to Europe to play for 2 years before coming back at age 22. Ersan may have some of the worst feet and quickness in the game, but is always at the top of the league every year in charges taken and always has given you that hustle and rebounding. He is only an inch taller than Musa is. The way you are seeing Musa hustle on the court right now reminds me of Ersan a little. He's changing his game in every way possible to stick, doing things he's never done on the court before making defense, rebounding, and hustle a priority each night. Way too early to tell what will happen with him, but what I do like is he has a winning mentality. He could be back in Europe in 2-3 years and never see the NBA again or find a way to carve out a role on a winning NBA team.

I'm always surprised to hear Musa is 6'9". to me he doesnt seem that tall or maybe just doesnt play big. I dont hate the Ilyasova comparison only to say i dont think he can be a stretch big liek Ersan because i dont think opponents will feel forced to defend him with a big for fear of giving up points inside or offensive rebounds

I do agree he could use a year of development somewhere