Frank Thread 3: FIBA Frank Aftermath

[mpharris36]

The Knicks could’ve wound up with Donovan Mitchell, one of the best young guards in the NBA, if they were willing to listen to Rick Pitino.

According to Rick Pitino.

“I tried to get the Knicks to take him, and nah [they said] they can’t take him at that number,” Pitino, Mitchell’s coach at Louisville, said on SiriusXM NBA Radio.

That number was the eighth overall pick in the 2017 draft, during which the Knicks took Frank Ntilikina in the last move made by then-president Phil Jackson before he was let go. Five picks later, the Jazz selected Mitchell, the Elmsford, N.Y. native who has blossomed into a star, being named to the NBA’s All-Rookie first team and the winner of the 2018 Slam Dunk Contest. This year, Mitchell has gotten even better, averaging 24.9 points, 5.7 rebounds and 3.7 assists.

“Donovan I knew would be a star in the league,” Pitino said. “I always felt he could play the one. Can he run a pick-and-roll? Without question. Can he get other people shots? Without question. So, I always knew he could play two positions. He’s just a unique personality.”

https://nypost.com/2019/11/21/rick-pitino-tried-to-convince-the-knicks-to-draft-donovan-mitchell/


i don't post this to make the knicks look bad, this is the reality of the draft. nobody ever really picks someone who is mocked much later. it's very rare. because if you f*ck up it looks a lot worse. like i said in another thread, if the jazz had 8 they don't take donovan.

that is correct. Sometimes you get lucky in the draft just where you pick. Sometimes where you are picking forces you to take a certain player just because they are ranked higher.

If you go against the grain so much and it doesn't work out you probably will be fired...if you say hey everyone predicted this player to go here so I picked him you at least have that if it doesn't work out.

I would love my front office to have conviction but its not just the knicks its almost every organization.

The spurs traded up to get Kawhi Leonard at 15 with George Hill. If the Spurs picked 6th in that draft do you think they would pick Kawhi Leonard over Jan Vesley or if they went up to #2 they would pick him over Derrick Williams....sometimes you get lucky if you fall in the lottery if the right player is there.

[Jeff Van Gully]

The Knicks could’ve wound up with Donovan Mitchell, one of the best young guards in the NBA, if they were willing to listen to Rick Pitino.

According to Rick Pitino.

“I tried to get the Knicks to take him, and nah [they said] they can’t take him at that number,” Pitino, Mitchell’s coach at Louisville, said on SiriusXM NBA Radio.

That number was the eighth overall pick in the 2017 draft, during which the Knicks took Frank Ntilikina in the last move made by then-president Phil Jackson before he was let go. Five picks later, the Jazz selected Mitchell, the Elmsford, N.Y. native who has blossomed into a star, being named to the NBA’s All-Rookie first team and the winner of the 2018 Slam Dunk Contest. This year, Mitchell has gotten even better, averaging 24.9 points, 5.7 rebounds and 3.7 assists.

“Donovan I knew would be a star in the league,” Pitino said. “I always felt he could play the one. Can he run a pick-and-roll? Without question. Can he get other people shots? Without question. So, I always knew he could play two positions. He’s just a unique personality.”

https://nypost.com/2019/11/21/rick-pitino-tried-to-convince-the-knicks-to-draft-donovan-mitchell/


i don't post this to make the knicks look bad, this is the reality of the draft. nobody ever really picks someone who is mocked much later. it's very rare. because if you f*ck up it looks a lot worse. like i said in another thread, if the jazz had 8 they don't take donovan.

that is correct. Sometimes you get lucky in the draft just where you pick. Sometimes where you are picking forces you to take a certain player just because they are ranked higher.

If you go against the grain so much and it doesn't work out you probably will be fired...if you say hey everyone predicted this player to go here so I picked him you at least have that if it doesn't work out.

I would love my front office to have conviction but its not just the knicks its almost every organization.

The spurs traded up to get Kawhi Leonard at 15 with George Hill. If the Spurs picked 6th in that draft do you think they would pick Kawhi Leonard over Jan Vesley or if they went up to #2 they would pick him over Derrick Williams....sometimes you get lucky if you fall in the lottery if the right player is there.

all interesting questions. i don't know if the mocks we see are reflective of what teams have in their war rooms or if they are paying attention to what the rest of us "experts" are saying. i mean, IIRC KP only rose in the mocks late after the mocks seemed to get wind that teams found him legit... not because they thought he should be there in the first place.

and y'all can go find the receipts. but i was very adamant about taking either frank or donovan at 8. i would have been OK with DSJ too, but i had him behind them.

[mpharris36]

https://nypost.com/2019/11/21/rick-pitino-tried-to-convince-the-knicks-to-draft-donovan-mitchell/


i don't post this to make the knicks look bad, this is the reality of the draft. nobody ever really picks someone who is mocked much later. it's very rare. because if you f*ck up it looks a lot worse. like i said in another thread, if the jazz had 8 they don't take donovan.

that is correct. Sometimes you get lucky in the draft just where you pick. Sometimes where you are picking forces you to take a certain player just because they are ranked higher.

If you go against the grain so much and it doesn't work out you probably will be fired...if you say hey everyone predicted this player to go here so I picked him you at least have that if it doesn't work out.

I would love my front office to have conviction but its not just the knicks its almost every organization.

The spurs traded up to get Kawhi Leonard at 15 with George Hill. If the Spurs picked 6th in that draft do you think they would pick Kawhi Leonard over Jan Vesley or if they went up to #2 they would pick him over Derrick Williams....sometimes you get lucky if you fall in the lottery if the right player is there.

all interesting questions. i don't know if the mocks we see are reflective of what teams have in their war rooms or if they are paying attention to what the rest of us "experts" are saying. i mean, IIRC KP only rose in the mocks late after the mocks seemed to get wind that teams found him legit... not because they thought he should be there in the first place.

and y'all can go find the receipts. but i was very adamant about taking either frank or donovan at 8. i would have been OK with DSJ too, but i had him behind them.

I had Frank first at our #8 pick and Mitchell as my number 2 behind him. I didnt like DSJ at all.

but I am not going to lie even though I had Donovan Mitchell behind frank I thought it was still to early to take him at 8...I was hoping for a trade down a few spots. Its a game the draft of getting the right player for the right value.

[god shammgod]

https://nypost.com/2019/11/21/rick-pitino-tried-to-convince-the-knicks-to-draft-donovan-mitchell/


i don't post this to make the knicks look bad, this is the reality of the draft. nobody ever really picks someone who is mocked much later. it's very rare. because if you f*ck up it looks a lot worse. like i said in another thread, if the jazz had 8 they don't take donovan.

that is correct. Sometimes you get lucky in the draft just where you pick. Sometimes where you are picking forces you to take a certain player just because they are ranked higher.

If you go against the grain so much and it doesn't work out you probably will be fired...if you say hey everyone predicted this player to go here so I picked him you at least have that if it doesn't work out.

I would love my front office to have conviction but its not just the knicks its almost every organization.

The spurs traded up to get Kawhi Leonard at 15 with George Hill. If the Spurs picked 6th in that draft do you think they would pick Kawhi Leonard over Jan Vesley or if they went up to #2 they would pick him over Derrick Williams....sometimes you get lucky if you fall in the lottery if the right player is there.

all interesting questions. i don't know if the mocks we see are reflective of what teams have in their war rooms or if they are paying attention to what the rest of us "experts" are saying. i mean, IIRC KP only rose in the mocks late after the mocks seemed to get wind that teams found him legit... not because they thought he should be there in the first place.

and y'all can go find the receipts. but i was very adamant about taking either frank or donovan at 8. i would have been OK with DSJ too, but i had him behind them.

foreign players are a lot harder to mock though. i think your point is right that the mocks are affected by what teams think, but i think a general understanding of where a player should be taken is established and it's kind of rare to see teams move far from that. prospects will fall back a lot when a bunch of teams pass on him but i don't think it happens too much in the reverse where a player thought to be taken 12-14 for example moves up to 6 or 7. like mpharris says, if you want that player you'll try to move back. you just won't take him that early and go against the grain usually. from my first hand experience of watching the lottery, players usually can only move 2 or 3 spots up from around where they're expected to be taken. i'm sure there are outliers but that seems to be the general rule.

[HarthorneWingo]

If you really like a player who is mocked below where you draft, then simply trade down and get an additional asset to boot. It's crazy to compelled or bullied into drafting a certain player just because he's slotted there.

[prophet_of_rage]

Didn't we reach for Knox?

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[Jeff Van Gully]

that is correct. Sometimes you get lucky in the draft just where you pick. Sometimes where you are picking forces you to take a certain player just because they are ranked higher.

If you go against the grain so much and it doesn't work out you probably will be fired...if you say hey everyone predicted this player to go here so I picked him you at least have that if it doesn't work out.

I would love my front office to have conviction but its not just the knicks its almost every organization.

The spurs traded up to get Kawhi Leonard at 15 with George Hill. If the Spurs picked 6th in that draft do you think they would pick Kawhi Leonard over Jan Vesley or if they went up to #2 they would pick him over Derrick Williams....sometimes you get lucky if you fall in the lottery if the right player is there.

all interesting questions. i don't know if the mocks we see are reflective of what teams have in their war rooms or if they are paying attention to what the rest of us "experts" are saying. i mean, IIRC KP only rose in the mocks late after the mocks seemed to get wind that teams found him legit... not because they thought he should be there in the first place.

and y'all can go find the receipts. but i was very adamant about taking either frank or donovan at 8. i would have been OK with DSJ too, but i had him behind them.

foreign players are a lot harder to mock though. i think your point is right that the mocks are affected by what teams think, but i think a general understanding of where a player should be taken is established and it's kind of rare to see teams move far from that. prospects will fall back a lot when a bunch of teams pass on him but i don't think it happens too much in the reverse where a player thought to be taken 12-14 for example moves up to 6 or 7. like mpharris says, if you want that player you'll try to move back. you just won't take him that early and go against the grain usually. from my first hand experience of watching the lottery, players usually can only move 2 or 3 spots up from around where they're expected to be taken. i'm sure there are outliers but that seems to be the general rule.

i get that. my wonder is if the consensus is a product of us all seeing things the same way? i have a hard time believing teams are looking at DX and NBA draft net like us fans and making their decisions off of it. if they're concerned about taking a guy too early, i'd think that intel comes from things that the rest of us, including reporters, are probably getting second-hand.

i mean, if donovan mitchell is #3 on your board. you have the #4 pick and your #1 and #2 are gone... how do you know how far down to trade? can't be from looking at tankathon.

[prophet_of_rage]

all interesting questions. i don't know if the mocks we see are reflective of what teams have in their war rooms or if they are paying attention to what the rest of us "experts" are saying. i mean, IIRC KP only rose in the mocks late after the mocks seemed to get wind that teams found him legit... not because they thought he should be there in the first place.

and y'all can go find the receipts. but i was very adamant about taking either frank or donovan at 8. i would have been OK with DSJ too, but i had him behind them.

foreign players are a lot harder to mock though. i think your point is right that the mocks are affected by what teams think, but i think a general understanding of where a player should be taken is established and it's kind of rare to see teams move far from that. prospects will fall back a lot when a bunch of teams pass on him but i don't think it happens too much in the reverse where a player thought to be taken 12-14 for example moves up to 6 or 7. like mpharris says, if you want that player you'll try to move back. you just won't take him that early and go against the grain usually. from my first hand experience of watching the lottery, players usually can only move 2 or 3 spots up from around where they're expected to be taken. i'm sure there are outliers but that seems to be the general rule.

i get that. my wonder is if the consensus is a product of us all seeing things the same way? i have a hard time believing teams are looking at DX and NBA draft net like us fans and making their decisions off of it. if they're concerned about taking a guy too early, i'd think that intel comes from things that the rest of us, including reporters, are probably getting second-hand.

i mean, if donovan mitchell is #3 on your board. you have the #4 pick and your #1 and #2 are gone... how do you know how far down to trade? can't be from looking at tankathon.

Agents.

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[god shammgod]

all interesting questions. i don't know if the mocks we see are reflective of what teams have in their war rooms or if they are paying attention to what the rest of us "experts" are saying. i mean, IIRC KP only rose in the mocks late after the mocks seemed to get wind that teams found him legit... not because they thought he should be there in the first place.

and y'all can go find the receipts. but i was very adamant about taking either frank or donovan at 8. i would have been OK with DSJ too, but i had him behind them.

foreign players are a lot harder to mock though. i think your point is right that the mocks are affected by what teams think, but i think a general understanding of where a player should be taken is established and it's kind of rare to see teams move far from that. prospects will fall back a lot when a bunch of teams pass on him but i don't think it happens too much in the reverse where a player thought to be taken 12-14 for example moves up to 6 or 7. like mpharris says, if you want that player you'll try to move back. you just won't take him that early and go against the grain usually. from my first hand experience of watching the lottery, players usually can only move 2 or 3 spots up from around where they're expected to be taken. i'm sure there are outliers but that seems to be the general rule.

i get that. my wonder is if the consensus is a product of us all seeing things the same way? i have a hard time believing teams are looking at DX and NBA draft net like us fans and making their decisions off of it. if they're concerned about taking a guy too early, i'd think that intel comes from things that the rest of us, including reporters, are probably getting second-hand.

i mean, if donovan mitchell is #3 on your board. you have the #4 pick and your #1 and #2 are gone... how do you know how far down to trade? can't be from looking at tankathon.

prophet is right, they surely get info from agents on who is interested in who and at what spot. how much you can completely trust that info is another story as agents have their own agendas.

you post a good question though, "is everyone just seeing it similarly ?" i wonder if there is an element of public perception based on the mocks that they're scared to go against ? are they scared to hear jay bilas say "this is a reach" ? it's possible.

[blueNorange]

https://elitesportsny.com/2019/11/23/new-york-knicks-the-evolution-of-frank-ntilikina-continues/

It wasn’t immediate, but with some prodding from his teammates and the French coaching staff, the young point guard started to bloom. Nicolas Batum was one of the experienced teammates who pushed Ntilikina to start taking more of an assertive role.

“We really tried with the coaching staff and the players with Evan Fournier, Rudy [Gobert], myself, [Nando] De Colo [to say] ‘Go ahead. You’re the point guard. We trust you! Use it and show the world who you are. We’re going to be there for you and we’ve got your back,’” Batum recalled to ESNY.

“He seemed more confident. Like today he had one play where he got the spin and the stepback on one foot,” Batum said with a smile. “I was gonna tell him, ‘Spin, stepback, fade on one foot, really? You’ve got that?’ He doesn’t know who he can become and when he can figure it out, who he can be in this league offense and defense, he’s going to be a good, good player for this team.”

NBA champion Boris Diaw recalls that his career took a similar path when he came over from France.

“Yeah, I had a pretty slow start, same kind of start,” Diaw told ESNY. “The first year was kind of OK and then I went back down the second year. The third year is really when I had my best time. It was kind of the same timing a little bit.”

[mpharris36]

https://elitesportsny.com/2019/11/23/new-york-knicks-the-evolution-of-frank-ntilikina-continues/

It wasn’t immediate, but with some prodding from his teammates and the French coaching staff, the young point guard started to bloom. Nicolas Batum was one of the experienced teammates who pushed Ntilikina to start taking more of an assertive role.

“We really tried with the coaching staff and the players with Evan Fournier, Rudy [Gobert], myself, [Nando] De Colo [to say] ‘Go ahead. You’re the point guard. We trust you! Use it and show the world who you are. We’re going to be there for you and we’ve got your back,’” Batum recalled to ESNY.

“He seemed more confident. Like today he had one play where he got the spin and the stepback on one foot,” Batum said with a smile. “I was gonna tell him, ‘Spin, stepback, fade on one foot, really? You’ve got that?’ He doesn’t know who he can become and when he can figure it out, who he can be in this league offense and defense, he’s going to be a good, good player for this team.”

NBA champion Boris Diaw recalls that his career took a similar path when he came over from France.

“Yeah, I had a pretty slow start, same kind of start,” Diaw told ESNY. “The first year was kind of OK and then I went back down the second year. The third year is really when I had my best time. It was kind of the same timing a little bit.”

whether it was by happen chance or luck im glad our dummies running the organization didn't get rid of him like a throw in like ATL did Diaw.

[Jimmit79]

https://elitesportsny.com/2019/11/23/new-york-knicks-the-evolution-of-frank-ntilikina-continues/

It wasn’t immediate, but with some prodding from his teammates and the French coaching staff, the young point guard started to bloom. Nicolas Batum was one of the experienced teammates who pushed Ntilikina to start taking more of an assertive role.

“We really tried with the coaching staff and the players with Evan Fournier, Rudy [Gobert], myself, [Nando] De Colo [to say] ‘Go ahead. You’re the point guard. We trust you! Use it and show the world who you are. We’re going to be there for you and we’ve got your back,’” Batum recalled to ESNY.

“He seemed more confident. Like today he had one play where he got the spin and the stepback on one foot,” Batum said with a smile. “I was gonna tell him, ‘Spin, stepback, fade on one foot, really? You’ve got that?’ He doesn’t know who he can become and when he can figure it out, who he can be in this league offense and defense, he’s going to be a good, good player for this team.”

NBA champion Boris Diaw recalls that his career took a similar path when he came over from France.

“Yeah, I had a pretty slow start, same kind of start,” Diaw told ESNY. “The first year was kind of OK and then I went back down the second year. The third year is really when I had my best time. It was kind of the same timing a little bit.”

whether it was by happen chance or luck im glad our dummies running the organization didn't get rid of him like a throw in like ATL did Diaw.

They're were trying to trade him for late first last draft before that they're trying to trade him for payton at deadline lol. I think a higher power wants to keep Frank in NY.



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[DOT]

Frank per game as a starter (after tonight)

2.4 steals
4.1 assists
1.1 turnovers

Has more than twice as many steals as turnovers, and nearly a 4:1 a:to ratio

[B8RcDeMktfxC]

Frank per game as a starter (after tonight)

2.4 steals
4.1 assists
1.1 turnovers

Has more than twice as many steals as turnovers, and nearly a 4:1 a:to ratio

And this is a surprise?

[will]

Frank the Tank playing with mad heart tonight.

[BKlutch]

Frank the Tank playing with mad heart tonight.

Frank has been our best player for a handful of games now. Of course, nobody is is close, so we're not winning.

[cgmw]

Him and Mitch are a joy to watch. RJ too. You can have the rest of them.

[thebuzzardman]

Frank the Tank playing with mad heart tonight.

Unfortunately, Randle was the Scarecrow, so it didn't matter.

[K_ick_God]

Him and Mitch are a joy to watch. RJ too. You can have the rest of them.

I’ll take it. Would be better to have a young Bron but still these guys are good and it’s a little nucleus. We picked wrong with Randle. He’s absurdly bad.

[will]

Frank the Tank playing with mad heart tonight.

Unfortunately, Randle was the Scarecrow, so it didn't matter.

Randle will be gone at the trade deadline. Book it.

Frank, RJ and Robinson will be running the show.