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Re: PG: Zach FTW!! 

Post#221 » by dumbell78 » Sun Nov 24, 2019 9:34 am

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dumbell78 wrote:I'm starting to worry about WCJ and the fouls he's getting screwed on. Sure he fouls but some of the calls are straight up phony and smell of an agenda. The one where Zeller flew in over WCJ back and WCJ gets called for the foul was atrocious and that's just one example. He's not getting the Iverson treatment but man its bad.

Yeah, it pisses me off too.. He is getting really weird, dumb calls from refs every freaking game!
I just dont get it.. BULLS SHOULD interfer here with some video sent to the league asap.


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Post#222 » by OnePointSeven » Sun Nov 24, 2019 10:37 am

nike1 wrote:ok so..
i actually turned the game off with 45 to go.

WHAT A DUMBASS I FEEL LIKE RIGHT NOW..


LOL almost did the same thing!
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Post#223 » by OnePointSeven » Sun Nov 24, 2019 10:57 am

Before the crazy 4th quarter, I was really happy to see Zach take the simple shot (those corner 3's). It almost never happens eventhough they're perfect to put him in rhythm. He also often fakes himself out a simple shot to take a tougher off balance shot.

That often drives me crazy during games, so very happy with the offense in the first half tonight. Without those easier 3's, we don't see that spectacular finish. Hopefully this isn't just a one game occurance.
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Post#224 » by JimmyJammer » Sun Nov 24, 2019 11:00 am

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Boy this backfired badly on you :lol: :lol: :lol:


So what. It was a once in 200 times that will happen. It's not like this is good for the Bulls right now. It was great..It was a miracle win. Won't happen often though and it's not like it was a team win or anything. This is actually terrible for the Bulls and Lavine. Anything that encourages hero ball is team killing.


He said what? I wonder if you are happy in your personal life because this is unbelievable to read.
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Post#225 » by JimmyJammer » Sun Nov 24, 2019 11:17 am

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Stratmaster wrote:HEY! The Bulls are 1 game out of the 8 seed!

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Bulls are on a 27 win pace. If that gets us in the playoffs, I'm not sure I want to watch the playoffs.

Just keepin it real for ya

if yer watching them play charlotte in november, yer gonna be watching them get swept by the bucks in april


Getting a chance to get swept in the playoffs by the Bucks or any other team is a step in the right direction for a young team like ours.
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Post#226 » by wonderboy2 » Sun Nov 24, 2019 11:26 am

Bulls need to find a way to get Lavine more corner 3’s he’s money from there. Coby is going to be a player in this league. I love his heart and he fearless . Carter with his normal double double game. Archi is the definition of you don’t have to shoot well to play a good game. Thank you Sato for not being a pussy and taking the open shot in a crucial moment. He played well. And Luari been watching to much Space Jam, did the Monstars steal his talent? I’m still a believer in Lauri though.
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Post#227 » by JimmyJammer » Sun Nov 24, 2019 11:28 am

Ya'll sitting here and calling Boylen out for being a bad coach and his substitution pattern last night, but he won the game for us by leaving Thaddeus' and Lauri's asses on the bench down the stretch. Who would have thought he would have had the guts to do that, one night after butting heads with Zach. I hope this lights up some fire under the asses of these two guys who have been nothing short of disappointment, although Lavine is the one getting all the blame.
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Post#228 » by Andi Obst » Sun Nov 24, 2019 11:38 am

Incredible response by LaVine. Loved how they used him more off-ball to get him going with those corner 3s. More of that, please. Coby was great, too. Saw the great shooting ability, some good passes, some good finishes at the rim. Like him more and more.

The rest was...not so great. Didn't really get some of the lineups Jimbo was throwing out there, especially the few minutes where Thad was essentially the go-to-guy. That was tough to watch. In general, as bad as Lauri has been, Thad has been just as disappointing IMO. He was brought in to do what Marvin Williams did today: be the vet who steps up when it's needed. Instead, he looks like a bad rookie just throwing shots up.

That was a fun win, but we have yet to beat a non-trash team this season. Let's not forget that.
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Post#229 » by Andi Obst » Sun Nov 24, 2019 12:17 pm

BTW, I like that Sato is becoming a more aggressive player recently. I loved the signing, it didn't look good early, but he's turning it around it seems.
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Post#230 » by JimmyJammer » Sun Nov 24, 2019 12:41 pm

Great game by Zach, Coby, Wendell, and a solid game by Sato. I never thought that I'd say this, but Thaddeus and Lauri are the two players who have been holding back the team the entire season. Yes, Zach could play better sometimes, being that we were predicting an all-star season. Yes, Porter and Hutchison being in and out of the lineup has been tough. But, the biggest disappointment, which I did not see coming, has been the play of Thaddeus and Lauri.

Thaddeus, who was supposed to be a high IQ player and a leader, has become a chucker and a ballhog. His defense has been inconsistent to make matters worse. Lauri, on the other hand, has been total trash. He is shooting 35% and 27% respectively, and he has been soft going to the basket. His defensive rotation has been terrible and he often looks like his mind is not there. What's even tougher is the fact that we don't have a backup PF behind these two guys who can give us some productive minutes, especially with Porter being out. So, we are definitely not in a good place.
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Post#231 » by VolumePoster » Sun Nov 24, 2019 12:41 pm

Just got a chance to watch the highlights. It was encouraging to see Coby finishing at the rim both in half court and on the break. Hopefully we continue to see positive strides in this area. I liked how he used his body to get into the defender.
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Post#232 » by holv03 » Sun Nov 24, 2019 1:03 pm

I'm beginning to think that the Bulls players aren't behind Boylen and they are behind Lavine. If you look at some of the comments after the game you could absolutely tell their is something going on. Hutchinson said something on social media I believe it was on Lavine instagram that got me thinking. Hutch goes on to say What are they going to say now. Not sure if that's a shot at Boylen but makes me wonder.
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Post#233 » by Red Larrivee » Sun Nov 24, 2019 1:24 pm

holv03 wrote:I'm beginning to think that the Bulls players aren't behind Boylen and they are behind Lavine. If you look at some of the comments after the game you could absolutely tell their is something going on. Hutchinson said something on social media I believe it was on Lavine instagram that got me thinking. Hutch goes on to say What are they going to say now. Not sure if that's a shot at Boylen but makes me wonder.


There's no reason for anyone on this team to play for Boylen. He's a clown.

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Post#234 » by Tetlak » Sun Nov 24, 2019 1:35 pm

beeshma wrote:
weneeda2guard wrote:
RastaBull wrote:Coby White is going to have an up and down season. But his highs so far are showing real dynamicism. And he's puts in very consistent effort on defensive end, his development and maturity on that end is surprising and only makes me feel more confident we'll see a developed product sooner rather than later.

Lavine can't do this enough to make Bulls a .500 team. Lavine cannot be a solo primary scorer for a playoff team. But if White can develop into the type of dynamic scorer he's showing glimpses of, then the two of them could really mess up defenses. They could be a different version (probably lesser) of how Portland relied on Dame/McCullom for offensive firepower last couple years. That's a big big piece of the puzzle for the offense if Lavine can have another dynamic scoring guard on the team.

Other pieces of the puzzle remain unanswered and big problems (frontcourt? Wendell hold his own as center? Lauri fallen off a cliff? defense in frontcourt?)

Turning this into the zach and coby show might be the best way to go. Boylen needs to increase both of their minutes to around 35 minutes a game. And make sure he puts a line up on the floor to close games like they did tonight. I think the rotation seriously needs shortening. No more 10-11 man rotations cut it down to 8 or 9.


I'm skeptical. I think Zach's problem is that he can't play within a team offense. If Zach is trying to signal to Coby "hey, the two of us should take over this quarter" then that is simply Zach spreading his bad habits to another player.


Zach's first 7 3's were assisted.
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Post#235 » by Ice Man » Sun Nov 24, 2019 1:56 pm

The good news is that we have one player, maybe two (meaning Coby), who can score without a system. Teams need guys who don't need hand holding, especially in the playoffs. The bad news is that we haven't shown that we can score AT ALL within the half court. We were on our way to score 90-something yesterday after three quarters, and that was even with us hitting our 3-point shots pretty well. We just don't have a half-court offense.
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Post#236 » by Dresden » Sun Nov 24, 2019 2:00 pm

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RedBulls23 wrote:Will add again that LaVine won them this game considering the continuous awful decision making of Boylen with his rotations and lineups.


It's always humorous how many fans think they know more about how to coach a team than someone who has been either a coach or an assistant coach at the nba level for what- 20-25 years now?


Well in this case I think they may be right. Not in breadth or depth, but in the reality of xs and os


To believe that, you have to believe that not only is Boylen that bad, but also that Paxson is such a poor judge of coaching acumen that he would promote him, and then give him an extension. Not buying it. Boylen may be one of the worst coaches in the nba, but it's not like everyone else is at one level, and he's a complete outlier.
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Post#237 » by Dresden » Sun Nov 24, 2019 2:02 pm

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Still laughing at this. Wow. Really cannot be any more clear about where the players stand than that


WOW


Man is this where we are at now? Looking at 5 seconds of something and knowing exactly what is going on? Guys were going nuts..and making there way over to Zach. While in the hell would the focus be on the coach in this moment? Coby looks to hi-five Boylen and the rest are appearing to make their way to Zach.

This is borderline Fake News and part of the reason why social media sucks.


Agree. It's easy to see something out of context like this and blow it up into a major "thing".
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Post#238 » by RememberLu » Sun Nov 24, 2019 2:11 pm

I turned this game off with 45 seconds to go in the 4th, when we were down by 7.

Wake up today to find out we won? lol
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Post#239 » by weneeda2guard » Sun Nov 24, 2019 2:15 pm

Sorry , we could have won that game going away, boylen line ups were horrible at times. He has a line up on the floor that's working and then boylen starts sitting and subbing guys for no reason other than coaching this team like its little league and making sure everyone participates. Then he had this horrible line up of arci, dunn, shaq gafford and young who couldnt score to save their lives and boylen not only goes with them once and it led to a ton of horrible possessions, but twice.

We have to establish a pecking order and we need to shorten the rotations. I like the grit arci and Dunn have but I'm sorry they are not scoring. They both get 20 and 24 minute and combined for a abysmal 2 pts between them. Why not give valentine a look? Again this is on boylen.

Boylen takes no responsibility for not having the team fully prepared, and the horrible mismanagement in minutes and rotations that is called out every night. He gets credit for sitting lauri but he has not been a good coach. A good coach would have this team top 6 in the east right now with the players we have and the schedule we had.
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Re: PG: Zach FTW!! 

Post#240 » by coldfish » Sun Nov 24, 2019 2:16 pm

If the Bulls can get Otto healthy and get Lauri going, they could still easily make the playoffs. The Bulls have 6 wins. Half the teams in the NBA (15) have 6 or less wins. That means half the dam time, the Bulls are going to be playing a Bulls level team. They really can do this.

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