Wisconsin Herd Thread

Chuck Diesel · Post #1021 » by **Chuck Diesel** » Sat Nov 23, 2019 3:36 am

Ron Swanson wrote:Any reason Bender wasn't playing? Wonder if tomorrow is the first game he suits up for the main club.

The only game he’s traveled for has been the short drive down to the northwest suburb where the Windy City Bulls play. Imagine they’ll spare him most G-league travel woes.

TroyD92 · Post #1022 » by **TroyD92** » Sat Nov 23, 2019 1:06 pm

Rayjon Tucker

28-4-4 (2-4 from three)
21-9-5 (3-5 from three)

in his last two. Hopefully he keeps it up.

4xBuck · Post #1023 » by **4xBuck** » Sat Nov 23, 2019 1:50 pm

Herd Updates:

Lot of good things going on with the Herd. The biggest thing is the development of Tucker as a legitimate prospect. The Herd are using him as a combo guard, which is perfect for his development. He needs to work on his handle. Heck, we could have a seperate thread on his development. He looks like the Bucks first real G-league prospect as an athletic 3D combo guard.

Yeah, I agree, no need to send Bendor to Werster and Delaware on a G-league B2B. If he's not activated for the one day road trip to Cleveland next Friday, I'm sure he'll be playing in Oshkosh.

Last night the 3 wasn't dropping, especially for Reynolds, but the herd still won. That says a lot.

With Adams and Tucker, the Herd has excellent G-league guard play. That's gonna work real well... Mason has been traveling with the Bucks, so Adams has been the PG. Kinda surprised he isn't in a better situation, like on a 2W or overseas. If the Bucks use Mason's 45 day eligibility up, Adams could easily step right into the 2W contract as the emergency point guard. The Bucks have had worse.

Ron Swanson · Post #1024 » by **Ron Swanson** » Sat Nov 23, 2019 7:11 pm

Cam Reynolds is gonna get some time with the main club once we start resting guys, but if Tucker continues to shoot well from outside, he's a much more versatile player. I constantly forget the rules on two-way contracts. They only get a certain amount of eligible days and then you need to either waive them or sign them to the main roster, correct?

Chuck Diesel · Post #1025 » by **Chuck Diesel** » Sat Nov 23, 2019 7:14 pm

Tucker does a lot of really good things and he’s playing better and better as he figures out the G-league, but he’ll never play a minute for Bud in my opinion. Doesn’t have the handle, shot or facilitation abilities for his position. He’s like a mini Desmond Mason. Could see him catching on somewhere else, just not a Bud guy.

TroyD92 · Post #1026 » by **TroyD92** » Sat Nov 23, 2019 7:33 pm

Chuck Diesel wrote:Tucker does a lot of really good things and he’s playing better and better as he figures out the G-league, but he’ll never play a minute for Bud in my opinion. Doesn’t have the handle, shot or facilitation abilities for his position. He’s like a mini Desmond Mason. Could see him catching on somewhere else, just not a Bud guy.

Sterling gets a ton of time and his facilitating is worse than Tucker's imo. Tucker needs to be better on defense. He seems to half ass closeouts and can be pretty lazy out there.

Chuck Diesel · Post #1027 » by **Chuck Diesel** » Sat Nov 23, 2019 7:49 pm

TroyD92 wrote:
Chuck Diesel wrote:Tucker does a lot of really good things and he’s playing better and better as he figures out the G-league, but he’ll never play a minute for Bud in my opinion. Doesn’t have the handle, shot or facilitation abilities for his position. He’s like a mini Desmond Mason. Could see him catching on somewhere else, just not a Bud guy.

Sterling gets a ton of time and his facilitating is worse than Tucker's imo. Tucker needs to be better on defense. He seems to half ass closeouts and can be pretty lazy out there.

I would argue with the exception of some dumb foul tendencies, Sterling Brown has a way higher overall basketball IQ than Tucker.

There was a play earlier this season where Tucker got a big dunk towards the end of the half, turned to the Herd bench and celebrated as his guy streaked down the other way for an uncontested buzzer beating three. He’s also gotten into passing lanes at crucial times to help spark big rallies. Just think he needs an entire season’s worth of seasoning.

TroyD92 · Post #1028 » by **TroyD92** » Sat Nov 23, 2019 7:55 pm

Chuck Diesel wrote:
TroyD92 wrote:
Chuck Diesel wrote:Tucker does a lot of really good things and he’s playing better and better as he figures out the G-league, but he’ll never play a minute for Bud in my opinion. Doesn’t have the handle, shot or facilitation abilities for his position. He’s like a mini Desmond Mason. Could see him catching on somewhere else, just not a Bud guy.

Sterling gets a ton of time and his facilitating is worse than Tucker's imo. Tucker needs to be better on defense. He seems to half ass closeouts and can be pretty lazy out there.

I would argue with the exception of some dumb foul tendencies, Sterling Brown has a way higher overall basketball IQ than Tucker.

There was a play earlier this season where Tucker got a big dunk towards the end of the half, turned to the Herd bench and celebrated as his guy streaked down the other way for an uncontested buzzer beating three. He’s also gotten into passing lanes at crucial times to help spark big rallies. Just think he needs an entire season’s worth of seasoning.

Honestly doesn’t surprise me one bit lol. I’m curious to see what he’s going to be three years from now.

ShootingtheJ · Post #1029 » by **ShootingtheJ** » Sun Nov 24, 2019 3:55 am

Chuck Diesel wrote:Tucker does a lot of really good things and he’s playing better and better as he figures out the G-league, but he’ll never play a minute for Bud in my opinion. Doesn’t have the handle, shot or facilitation abilities for his position. He’s like a mini Desmond Mason. Could see him catching on somewhere else, just not a Bud guy.

Tucker is shooting over 42% from 3, has outstanding dribble moves, and can finish at the basket in a variety of ways. Those traits make him very different than Desmond Mason.

He'll be in the NBA soon, because his rate of development is of the charts. I hope we dump Mathews soon and to make room for him.

I get the BB IQ questions, but I think a little bit of that is the massive jump in quality of competition after being a small school player.

emunney · Post #1030 » by **emunney** » Sun Nov 24, 2019 4:01 am

If Horst dumped Matthews I'd pay for the Mad Cow disease test.

Chuck Diesel · Post #1031 » by **Chuck Diesel** » Sun Nov 24, 2019 4:09 am

ShootingtheJ wrote:
Chuck Diesel wrote:Tucker does a lot of really good things and he’s playing better and better as he figures out the G-league, but he’ll never play a minute for Bud in my opinion. Doesn’t have the handle, shot or facilitation abilities for his position. He’s like a mini Desmond Mason. Could see him catching on somewhere else, just not a Bud guy.

Tucker is shooting over 42% from 3, has outstanding dribble moves, and can finish at the basket in a variety of ways. Those traits make him very different than Desmond Mason.

He'll be in the NBA soon, because his rate of development is of the charts. I hope we dump Mathews soon and to make room for him.

I get the BB IQ questions, but I think a little bit of that is the massive jump in quality of competition after being a small school player.

The 3pt% honestly surprises me, probably because he went 3/11 from beyond the arc during the two games I was in Oshkosh. I’d say his release, like his dribble, is very deliberate. He’s good going to the cup with a head of steam, not someone I’d ever want facilitating an NBA offense. Definitely doing everything in his power to earn a call up, just doesn’t strike me as a Budenholzer player at this stage.

emunney · Post #1032 » by **emunney** » Sun Nov 24, 2019 5:12 am

Tools wise I think he's got the outline of a Norm Powell or Pat, i.e. good athlete who can shoot, get aggressive with closeouts, fly around on defense. I'm optimistic because I think he's probably getting the best coaching of his life, but also I'm not expecting anything. Would be awesome in a general sense if we could start pulling a rotation player a year out of the Herd the way the Heat do the Skyforce, but I think that pipeline is just getting primed.

TroyD92 · Post #1033 » by **TroyD92** » Sun Nov 24, 2019 11:20 am

Chuck Diesel wrote:
ShootingtheJ wrote:
Chuck Diesel wrote:Tucker does a lot of really good things and he’s playing better and better as he figures out the G-league, but he’ll never play a minute for Bud in my opinion. Doesn’t have the handle, shot or facilitation abilities for his position. He’s like a mini Desmond Mason. Could see him catching on somewhere else, just not a Bud guy.

Tucker is shooting over 42% from 3, has outstanding dribble moves, and can finish at the basket in a variety of ways. Those traits make him very different than Desmond Mason.

He'll be in the NBA soon, because his rate of development is of the charts. I hope we dump Mathews soon and to make room for him.

I get the BB IQ questions, but I think a little bit of that is the massive jump in quality of competition after being a small school player.

The 3pt% honestly surprises me, probably because he went 3/11 from beyond the arc during the two games I was in Oshkosh. I’d say his release, like his dribble, is very deliberate. He’s good going to the cup with a head of steam, not someone I’d ever want facilitating an NBA offense. Definitely doing everything in his power to earn a call up, just doesn’t strike me as a Budenholzer player at this stage.

Despite the competition i believe he was a 40%+ shooter every year in college/juco, and he's got a lightning fast release. I'd personally try and sign him to a developmental deal if I was the Bucks. Reynolds seems like a nice player, but I'd prefer to keep Tucker on that two-way contract and try and sign him in the offseason.

TroyD92 · Post #1034 » by **TroyD92** » Sun Nov 24, 2019 11:26 am

Watch on YouTube

4xBuck · Post #1035 » by **4xBuck** » Sun Nov 24, 2019 4:34 pm

Chuck Diesel wrote: just doesn’t strike me as a Budenholzer player at this stage.

He can shoot, drive to the hoop and play some D. Coach Bud likes those things.

4xBuck · Post #1036 » by **4xBuck** » Sun Nov 24, 2019 4:49 pm

TroyD92 wrote:Rayjon Tucker with 30 vs Delaware

Going by the video, it appears he didn't score his first point until the 4-minute mark in the 2nd quarter.

He then scored 24 points in the 2nd half- :lift:

The Bucks gave him some guaranteed money after the draft, so they have some working agreement. My thinking is is he takes over one of the 2W contracts at the end of the year. Then next year plays on a 2W and looks to make the Bucks roster in 21/22... We'll see how it plays out. I was thinking he had a 50/50 chance of playing in the NBA. With his athleticism, shot and early play in the GL, I now give him 75% chance of playing in the NBA.

4xBuck · Post #1037 » by **4xBuck** » Sat Nov 30, 2019 12:23 pm

Bender +38 in 30 mins... Tucker only +36 in 29 mins.

MVP2110 · Post #1038 » by **MVP2110** » Sat Nov 30, 2019 3:18 pm

Any chance we waive Mason and sign Tucker?

TroyD92 · Post #1039 » by **TroyD92** » Sat Nov 30, 2019 5:13 pm

MVP2110 wrote:Any chance we waive Mason and sign Tucker?

I would think Reynolds would lose his two way considering frank is an actual nba player

TroyD92 · Post #1040 » by **TroyD92** » Sat Nov 30, 2019 5:14 pm

I really need some chuck diesel analysis live from the home floor