Gordon Hayward Thread

sam_I_am · Post #1581 » by **sam_I_am** » Thu Nov 21, 2019 4:22 pm

So Ainge has made it clear that none of our core players including Hayward are available. I hope that means Hayward is all in on Boston. He was really playing great and as good as team has performed without him, it is clear as day that team is much worse without him. I can’t wait for team to get him back.

Roddy · Post #1582 » by **Roddy** » Thu Nov 21, 2019 4:47 pm

sam_I_am wrote:So Ainge has made it clear that none of our core players including Hayward are available. I hope that means Hayward is all in on Boston. He was really playing great and as good as team has performed without him, it is clear as day that team is much worse without him. I can’t wait for team to get him back.

As long as Brad Stevens is our head coach, I see Hayward staying here. In fact, I think that Gordon will retire in Boston.
And that's not a bad thing !

zoyathedestroya · Post #1583 » by **zoyathedestroya** » Fri Nov 22, 2019 12:01 pm

If I subscribe to the podcast above, will Hayward's hand miraculously heal for him to be available in our next home game?

Post #1584 » by **SmartWentCrazy** » Fri Nov 22, 2019 12:35 pm

The Clippers game made me realize the importance of Hayward— during big time games where Kemba struggles creating, Hayward allows us to shift Kemba into a ‘Ray Allen’ type role where we just run him around screens for 3’s. Will be really hard to counter that in the playoffs.

zoyathedestroya · Post #1585 » by **zoyathedestroya** » Fri Nov 22, 2019 12:51 pm

SmartWentCrazy wrote:The Clippers game made me realize the importance of Hayward— during big time games where Kemba struggles creating, Hayward allows us to shift Kemba into a ‘Ray Allen’ type role where we just run him around screens for 3’s. Will be really hard to counter that in the playoffs.

The same should've been the case with Kyrie last season, but we had too much Rozier, Kyrie, and Morris for Hayward to take on that role effectively. And it's not just for Kemba's benefit. Hayward rarely forces anything and makes the right reads 90% of the time when he has the ball in his hands. Tatum would've gotten the ball in his spots in our two recent losses with Gordo running the show late.

As much as I love Smart, he sometimes tries to do too much due to his competitive nature and his desire to win. Mind you, he was amazing posting 17 assists against zero turnovers in our two losses and keeping us in both games with his otherworldly defense, but he has to find the right guys to take better shots -- he did a couple of times against Clippers -- late in games. Hayward can do that for us more consistently.

ozgod · Post #1586 » by **ozgod** » Fri Nov 22, 2019 2:45 pm

zoyathedestroya wrote:
SmartWentCrazy wrote:The Clippers game made me realize the importance of Hayward— during big time games where Kemba struggles creating, Hayward allows us to shift Kemba into a ‘Ray Allen’ type role where we just run him around screens for 3’s. Will be really hard to counter that in the playoffs.

The same should've been the case with Kyrie last season, but we had too much Rozier, Kyrie, and Morris for Hayward to take on that role effectively. And it's not just for Kemba's benefit. Hayward rarely forces anything and makes the right reads 90% of the time when he has the ball in his hands. Tatum would've gotten the ball in his spots in our two recent losses with Gordo running the show late.

As much as I love Smart, he sometimes tries to do too much due to his competitive nature and his desire to win. Mind you, he was amazing posting 17 assists against zero turnovers in our two losses and keeping us in both games with his otherworldly defense, but he has to find the right guys to take better shots -- he did a couple of times against Clippers -- late in games. Hayward can do that for us more consistently.

Totally agree. And Gordon had been giving us good starts early on as well. He just makes everyone in the team better.

ozgod · Post #1587 » by **ozgod** » Sat Nov 23, 2019 1:28 am

Just watching Celtics Pre Game Live on NBC Sports Boston and Brad Stevens was being interviewed and he said that Gordon has been cleared to shoot as he recovers from his broken hand. Let’s hope he’s back sooner rather than later.

GuyClinch · Post #1588 » by **GuyClinch** » Sat Nov 23, 2019 6:58 am

Hayward has been our best player - so losing him hurts. Hopefully Kemba isn't out too long - our second best player. We are going to win a ton playing our 3, 4, 5 best guys in Tatum/Jaylen/Smart. We have good top 5 - but no team can miss its two best players and still win a ton.

For those who doubt - Hayward and Kemba have been leading PER guys despite not being big guys. Those guys are your best players..almost without fail. PER goes wrong with bigs who might only take efficient shots. But for little guys its very solid.

exculpatory · Post #1589 » by **exculpatory** » Sun Nov 24, 2019 9:08 pm

ozgod wrote:Just watching Celtics Pre Game Live on NBC Sports Boston and Brad Stevens was being interviewed and he said that Gordon has been cleared to shoot as he recovers from his broken hand. Let’s hope he’s back sooner rather than later.

Awesome.

Gordon has been down ~2 weeks since day of surgery.

So maybe he plays again 2 VS 3 VS hopefully no more than 4 weeks from tomorrow, Monday 11/25 - meaning 12/9 (missing 6 more games); 12/16 (missing 9 more games); or 12/23 (missing 12 more games).

Celts17Pride · Post #1590 » by **Celts17Pride** » Sun Nov 24, 2019 9:12 pm

exculpatory wrote:
ozgod wrote:Just watching Celtics Pre Game Live on NBC Sports Boston and Brad Stevens was being interviewed and he said that Gordon has been cleared to shoot as he recovers from his broken hand. Let’s hope he’s back sooner rather than later.

Awesome.

Gordon has been down ~2 weeks since day of surgery.

So maybe he plays again 2 VS 3 VS hopefully no more than 4 weeks from tomorrow, Monday 11/25 - meaning 12/9, 12/16 or 12/23.

Think he will be back in a few weeks. Something like Dec 10th

exculpatory · Post #1591 » by **exculpatory** » Mon Nov 25, 2019 3:22 pm

https://www.celticsblog.com/2019/11/25/20980914/boston-celtics-offense-sputtering-in-gordon-haywards-absence-marcus-smart

We need him!

zoyathedestroya · Post #1592 » by **zoyathedestroya** » Tue Dec 3, 2019 5:05 pm

Read on Twitter

I kept telling everyone who would care to listen. Gordo was not the problem last season. Or at least he was the least of our problems. Usage/opportunity was more an issue than Hayward's physical condition or mental state.

Too often Hayward was playing the right way with people who weren’t. Too often he’d move the ball, make a cut and watch a teammate over-dribble and put up a contested shot.

itrsteve · Post #1593 » by **itrsteve** » Tue Dec 3, 2019 8:56 pm

Okay, so is the consensus now flipped to NOT trading Hayward?

It's nice to see everybody come around.

Soulcatcher33 · Post #1594 » by **Soulcatcher33** » Wed Dec 4, 2019 3:37 am

zoyathedestroya wrote:

Read on Twitter

I kept telling everyone who would care to listen. Gordo was not the problem last season. Or at least he was the least of our problems. Usage/opportunity was more an issue than Hayward's physical condition or mental state.
Too often Hayward was playing the right way with people who weren’t. Too often he’d move the ball, make a cut and watch a teammate over-dribble and put up a contested shot.

I was saying the same thing all last season. It's hard for you to do anything when you rarely even see the ball...especially when you're a guy used to having it in your hands. He was basically just used to stretch the floor out there as he was ignored most of the time. Like I said, if he had come back into the same situation Paul George did where he could do whatever he wanted he would have been back to all star form for the second half of last season.

thomas1897 · Post #1595 » by **thomas1897** » Thu Dec 5, 2019 2:43 pm

A welcome surprise for Christmas and the 2020 season Gordon Hayward is the cornerstone for the Celtics who can provide court savvy and more balance to a very good team. Gordon have a speedy recovery and see you at Christmas.

zoyathedestroya · Post #1596 » by **zoyathedestroya** » Thu Dec 5, 2019 2:47 pm

Soulcatcher33 wrote:
zoyathedestroya wrote:

Read on Twitter

I kept telling everyone who would care to listen. Gordo was not the problem last season. Or at least he was the least of our problems. Usage/opportunity was more an issue than Hayward's physical condition or mental state.
Too often Hayward was playing the right way with people who weren’t. Too often he’d move the ball, make a cut and watch a teammate over-dribble and put up a contested shot.

I was saying the same thing all last season. It's hard for you to do anything when you rarely even see the ball...especially when you're a guy used to having it in your hands. He was basically just used to stretch the floor out there as he was ignored most of the time. Like I said, if he had come back into the same situation Paul George did where he could do whatever he wanted he would have been back to all star form for the second half of last season.

Last season's team turned him into PJ freaking Tucker, standing in the corner and cutting baseline, chasing after offensive boards. And while he didn't have enough opportunities to find his rhythm to score and didn't shoot the ball well pre-ASB, he still did all the other things at the same level or better than his last season in Utah.

Celts17Pride · Post #1597 » by **Celts17Pride** » Thu Dec 5, 2019 7:53 pm

Gordon Hayward injury: Danny Ainge says injured Boston Celtics star ‘will probably practice with the team this weekend’

https://www.masslive.com/celtics/2019/12/gordon-hayward-injury-danny-ainge-says-injured-boston-celtics-star-will-probably-practice-with-the-team-this-weekend.html

exculpatory · Post #1598 » by **exculpatory** » Thu Dec 5, 2019 8:51 pm

Celts17Pride wrote:Gordon Hayward injury: Danny Ainge says injured Boston Celtics star ‘will probably practice with the team this weekend’

https://www.masslive.com/celtics/2019/12/gordon-hayward-injury-danny-ainge-says-injured-boston-celtics-star-will-probably-practice-with-the-team-this-weekend.html

AWESOME

There is a real chance he comes back next week for Cavs, Pacers or Philly!

keevsnick1 · Post #1599 » by **keevsnick1** » Thu Dec 5, 2019 10:34 pm

zoyathedestroya wrote:
Soulcatcher33 wrote:
zoyathedestroya wrote:

Read on Twitter

I kept telling everyone who would care to listen. Gordo was not the problem last season. Or at least he was the least of our problems. Usage/opportunity was more an issue than Hayward's physical condition or mental state.

I was saying the same thing all last season. It's hard for you to do anything when you rarely even see the ball...especially when you're a guy used to having it in your hands. He was basically just used to stretch the floor out there as he was ignored most of the time. Like I said, if he had come back into the same situation Paul George did where he could do whatever he wanted he would have been back to all star form for the second half of last season.

Last season's team turned him into PJ freaking Tucker, standing in the corner and cutting baseline, chasing after offensive boards. And while he didn't have enough opportunities to find his rhythm to score and didn't shoot the ball well pre-ASB, he still did all the other things at the same level or better than his last season in Utah.

Ya I completely disagree, it wasn't just an opportunity issue. He looked REALLY slow at times last year, I believe I used the metaphor of moving through mud several times. It made it hard for him to get to the rim and led to the appearance that he was overpassing when in fact he wasn't getting the same separation on drives which forced him to pass more often then he would have liked. In retrospect a lot of it was probably the set back he had the previous year which caused him to lose him summer work out time. He looks much better athletically this year. Not to say that it wasn't in part to due opportunity, same as with Jaylen, but there were also serious performance issues.

keevsnick1 · Post #1600 » by **keevsnick1** » Thu Dec 5, 2019 10:36 pm

exculpatory wrote:
Celts17Pride wrote:Gordon Hayward injury: Danny Ainge says injured Boston Celtics star ‘will probably practice with the team this weekend’

https://www.masslive.com/celtics/2019/12/gordon-hayward-injury-danny-ainge-says-injured-boston-celtics-star-will-probably-practice-with-the-team-this-weekend.html

AWESOME

There is a real chance he comes back next week for Cavs, Pacers or Philly!

Ya I doubt it will be for the Cavs, I mean if it was just a matter of one practice and ready to go I imagine we'd know that. My guess is he isn't playing both games of a back to back so I'd say Philli is most likely. The fact that nobody has issue a timeline is the only thing that makes me think they might just wait till after their upcoming long break (no games 13th-17th) which will feature several team practices to evaluate him.