Sixers vs Raptors - Nov. 25th - 7:30pm ET

[Ferry Avenue]

this current roster and coach have no chance to win a title....I would fire Brett and Brand.

I'd love to hear a contrary viewpoint.

This team is like a brand new baby learning to walk. It starts to crawl you get excited. It gets up on his/her legs, you get excited. It falls down, and gets up, then it falls down again and gets up and it falls again and you're like WTF But that's all part of the process of jelling/learning to walk. You learn from your mistakes and the next thing you know the baby is running around the house and you can't keep up with him/her.

This team is learning to jell. And hopefully they realize they can't just show up. Coach Brown have never struck me as a guy that learns during in game situations. He has to take a minute figure out what went wrong and then implement a scheme to fix it. All the bumps and mistakes this team encounters during the season will only make us better going forward.

And Toronto were missing a few of their key players. But schemed for that, Embiid playing as badly as he did was an added bonus that worked out well for them and horribly for the 76ers because we had no answer for it his bad play.

How's that.

Love the optimism, but I have to believe the question of whether what happened at the end of the fourth quarter last night -- a 10-0 run by the Raptors -- is fixable. Who exactly are they going to go to in those situations, and how well will that work?

[Ferry Avenue]

I feel so bad for Joel.. Gasol is really an exceptional defensive player on him. And when he is out of the play, they double him.

I also put that on Brett because he needs to be able to give our big man some easy looks.

Joel is my guy, but I don't feel the least bit bad for him. He's in horrible shape and has become painfully timid when it comes to playing down low. He knows he's a turnover waiting to happen and clearly avoids establishing position like he used to.

His regression has been on display all season with his lackluster defense/deflated attitude and last night it hit a major low point.... albeit in a game Joel should have been fired up to play. He's disappointed on every level.

Not sure if he just prefers spending time with his girl instead of fine-tuning his game, but something snatched the life out of him this summer.

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Yep, he's pretty much done in my opinion.

[XDevilBoiX]

Glad I fell asleep last night somewhere in the 3rd quarter lol

[Eyeamok]

this current roster and coach have no chance to win a title....I would fire Brett and Brand.

I'd love to hear a contrary viewpoint.

This team is like a brand new baby learning to walk. It starts to crawl you get excited. It gets up on his/her legs, you get excited. It falls down, and gets up, then it falls down again and gets up and it falls again and you're like WTF But that's all part of the process of jelling/learning to walk. You learn from your mistakes and the next thing you know the baby is running around the house and you can't keep up with him/her.

This team is learning to jell. And hopefully they realize they can't just show up. Coach Brown have never struck me as a guy that learns during in game situations. He has to take a minute figure out what went wrong and then implement a scheme to fix it. All the bumps and mistakes this team encounters during the season will only make us better going forward.

And Toronto were missing a few of their key players. But schemed for that, Embiid playing as badly as he did was an added bonus that worked out well for them and horribly for the 76ers because we had no answer for it his bad play.

How's that.

Love the optimism, but I have to believe the question of whether what happened at the end of the fourth quarter last night -- a 10-0 run by the Raptors -- is fixable. Who exactly are they going to go to in those situations, and how well will that work?

What happened last night was a one off event. On offensive we were playing 3-5 (Ben not looking for his shot or throwing the ball away and Embiid just MIA). And defensively we were just out of sorts. Fixable. Yes. But if this team has any title hopes, Ben Simmons needs to find a way to be more of a factor on offense. Pure and simple, the coach upper management someone needs to get to this guy and say WTF man. Enough is enough.

I'm not upset that Embiid had a bad game. It happens. But when Embiid is slumping that is the time for Ben to turn it up pure and simple. Ben needs to have some pride in his game.

[brannigan73]

Glad I fell asleep last night somewhere in the 3rd quarter lol

You can script how these road games against good teams are going to go 9 out of 10 times late anyway. The last 3-4 minutes the Sixers won't do **** on offense because Embiid is gassed and clueless against double teams and Ben can just be ignored by the other team. So basically you hope they have a big enough lead to cling too, which rarely happens, or the other team is equally clueless which also rarely happens. Expecting Tobias Harris, Al Horford, and Jason Richardson to win tough road games for you is a losing proposition. JJ Redick and Butler would be a better answer.

[Eyeamok]

I feel so bad for Joel.. Gasol is really an exceptional defensive player on him. And when he is out of the play, they double him.

I also put that on Brett because he needs to be able to give our big man some easy looks.

Joel is my guy, but I don't feel the least bit bad for him. He's in horrible shape and has become painfully timid when it comes to playing down low. He knows he's a turnover waiting to happen and clearly avoids establishing position like he used to.

His regression has been on display all season with his lackluster defense/deflated attitude and last night it hit a major low point.... albeit in a game Joel should have been fired up to play. He's disappointed on every level.

Not sure if he just prefers spending time with his girl instead of fine-tuning his game, but something snatched the life out of him this summer.

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Yep, he's pretty much done in my opinion.

It's funny did anyone else catch where the announcers said that Joel and Marc Gasol both entered the game at the same time and Joel refused to make eye contact with Marc. LOL. Joel will be fine but this will be another humbling experience in Canada and he needs to be humbled. But your right Bret needs to figure out a way to get him an easy looks in that situation.

[XDevilBoiX]

Glad I fell asleep last night somewhere in the 3rd quarter lol

You can script how these road games against good teams are going to go 9 out of 10 times late anyway. The last 3-4 minutes the Sixers won't do **** on offense because Embiid is gassed and clueless against double teams and Ben can just be ignored by the other team. So basically you hope they have a big enough lead to cling too, which rarely happens, or the other team is equally clueless which also rarely happens. Expecting Tobias Harris, Al Horford, and Jason Richardson to win tough road games for you is a losing proposition. JJ Redick and Butler would be a better answer.

I didn’t want to bring up the Nuggets game to bring up the pain from that game. I also fell asleep during the 3rd when they were up 18? Woke up next morning expecting a win lol.

We keep saying JJ and Jimmy would be better but I doubt that. This offense system is pure crap. They can look great one minute then look like **** the next. Brett has no go to play when it’s crunch time. I’m trying to be positive as much as I can but it’s beginning to look like another lost year to me, 2nd rd exit.

[Eyeamok]

Glad I fell asleep last night somewhere in the 3rd quarter lol

You can script how these road games against good teams are going to go 9 out of 10 times late anyway. The last 3-4 minutes the Sixers won't do **** on offense because Embiid is gassed and clueless against double teams and Ben can just be ignored by the other team. So basically you hope they have a big enough lead to cling too, which rarely happens, or the other team is equally clueless which also rarely happens. Expecting Tobias Harris, Al Horford, and Jason Richardson to win tough road games for you is a losing proposition. JJ Redick and Butler would be a better answer.

I didn’t want to bring up the Nuggets game to bring up the pain from that game. I also fell asleep during the 3rd when they were up 18? Woke up next morning expecting a win lol.

We keep saying JJ and Jimmy would be better but I doubt that. This offense system is pure crap. They can look great one minute then look like **** the next. Brett has no go to play when it’s crunch time. I’m trying to be positive as much as I can but it’s beginning to look like another lost year to me, 2nd rd exit.[/quote]

You are right. BUT Bret has time to fix this. He is not a great in game coach. But hit him over the head enough times and he will get the message...hopefully

[the_process]

Just waiting for the offseason...

[76ciology]

Spoiler:

I am sure that an actual PG would get Embiid more easy points, but I'm not sure about him being a good roll man. Just because you are a big does not mean that you can do that effectively.
The timing, hands and coordination needed to finish the plays are not Embiid's strengths. I feel like he prefers to be a post threat as well.

Very true. And we might as well trade Embiid For a guy like Capela if we wants him to just be a finisher. Waste of skillset

Nah, It's not about turning him into Capella, just diversify the offense a little and get him some easy points here and there while also trying to establish a little bit of a two man game with him and Simmons. Guys like AD, KAT and Vucevic create offense for themselves and still get chances to score as the rollman, they score 2-3x more per game on the play. There's a space in between him being Capella and where he is right now which is behind Alex Len, Dario Saric, Christian Wood etc for PPG as the rollman.

What you guys have to point out not turning Biid into a Capela.

What we need to do is involve him in 2 man games with Jrich, Ben (kind of action i posted in ben thread) or Tobi then let Biid post if defense post.

We all know Biid shrinks against Gasol, so we need to find a way for him to not be defended by Gasol. And you can do that thru screen play.

[cool93]

Good for you but with that roster no one takes you seriously. It was Phillys 3rd game in 4 days. December 8th in Philly it will be a 15 to 20 pt win for Philly. Shooo fly....

Toronto is 32-0 ( NBA record ) vs the Atlantic @ home . That’s dominance .

Like I said with that roster no one is taking Toronto seriously

Lol, you are delusional

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[ItsDanger]

Raptors fan here. Sixers actually played well I thought and could easily have won that game with a few buckets from Embiid. Not enough inside game. I blame that on the coach more than him. Doubles on bigs in the post were NEVER that effective 15 yrs ago where a star got 0 pts. Its like these coaches have forgotten how to play the inside outside game (and back then, there weren't that many 3's). Philly roster is a throwback but you got to play like those older rosters to work.

[Ferry Avenue]

Raptors fan here. Sixers actually played well I thought and could easily have won that game with a few buckets from Embiid. Not enough inside game. I blame that on the coach more than him. Doubles on bigs in the post were NEVER that effective 15 yrs ago where a star got 0 pts. Its like these coaches have forgotten how to play the inside outside game (and back then, there weren't that many 3's). Philly roster is a throwback but you got to play like those older rosters to work.

So why wasn't the entire offseason devoted to helping Embiid develop that part of his game, to the degree that it looks different from what it was last year?

You have these two star players who are making a ton of money exiting the playoffs in a heartbreaker, one of them crying as he leaves the court, and neither of them coming back the next year with any refinements in their game. Where is their heart and intestinal fortitude?

[76ciology]

I thought we played well.

Easily could have won this game IMO. But the game was just so weird. I mean sure Biid scored 0 but we were kind of shooting very well also.

[kuclas]

The thing is if embiid was having horrible game. Brett should have just benched him altogether at the 7 min mark 4th quarter. This is why we have horford.

Horford got benched at end of Knicks game?

Sit down embiid. But Brett brown didn’t want to do it.

Brett brown finally had a clue and took Simmons out and relaxed with Neto for a couple of minutes after San Antonio did hack a Simmons.

Do something. After embiid went 0-4 first half. And still wasn’t getting anything going third quarter. Was like 0-8. By end of 3rd quarter. Just knew it was just one of those game. Even missing the free throw with the in bounds foul and Brett could choose anyone to shoot it.

Just off kilter yesterday. If embiid not in game final 7 minutes. I think sixers win the game.

[phillynative]

Joel is my guy, but I don't feel the least bit bad for him. He's in horrible shape and has become painfully timid when it comes to playing down low. He knows he's a turnover waiting to happen and clearly avoids establishing position like he used to.

His regression has been on display all season with his lackluster defense/deflated attitude and last night it hit a major low point.... albeit in a game Joel should have been fired up to play. He's disappointed on every level.

Not sure if he just prefers spending time with his girl instead of fine-tuning his game, but something snatched the life out of him this summer.

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Yep, he's pretty much done in my opinion.

It's funny did anyone else catch where the announcers said that Joel and Marc Gasol both entered the game at the same time and Joel refused to make eye contact with Marc. LOL. Joel will be fine but this will be another humbling experience in Canada and he needs to be humbled. But your right Bret needs to figure out a way to get him an easy looks in that situation.

So what joel doesnt make eye contact with his own teammates.

[Eyeamok]

Yep, he's pretty much done in my opinion.

It's funny did anyone else catch where the announcers said that Joel and Marc Gasol both entered the game at the same time and Joel refused to make eye contact with Marc. LOL. Joel will be fine but this will be another humbling experience in Canada and he needs to be humbled. But your right Bret needs to figure out a way to get him an easy looks in that situation.

So what joel doesnt make eye contact with his own teammates.

It's true then. KAT stole his soul. That's what his mother was shouting at him as he got ejected.

[phillynative]

Sixers are lacking leadership almost as much as they lack a closer.

Why werent the sixers able to get embiid a shot at the basket. All game long he took tough jumpshots with gasol hand in his grill. He made some nices passes out of the doubles in the beginning but then he started to force things down the stretch.

AL was invisible the whole game and with embiid struggling I would expect him to step up and be more aggresive. His contract was a waste imo.

Jrich is probably our best scorer which is sad considering the huge contracts of the other starters.

[Kobblehead]

Joel plays at his best when he can disrespect and belittle his opponent. Problem is that he has so much respect for Marc as a player and person that it's hard for him to get to the headspace he likes to play at when going up against him. It's the same thing with Horford.

Trying to avoid eye contact is an example of him trying to visualize Marc as just another adversary.

[ankle420breaker]

His problems go beyond Marc Gasol. Can people not see that he's literally gotten too slow to put the ball on the floor? He's more vulnerable to strips than any big in the league and when he tries to step around defenders he plows his way right into offensive fouls. He's been terribly sluggish and at times just plain lazy.

Everyone wants to blame Brett for not putting Embiid in position to score, but I honestly believe Joel is in his own head and is trying to avoid the turnovers connected to his touches down low.

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