2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 1)

[Knicksfan1992]

Cole Anthony seems like such an obvious draft pick for you guys. You need shooting, and he can shoot and has the best pedigree out of all top prospects by far. You need a primary ball handler who can also thrive off the ball, and that is what Cole brings to the table. You need someone who can lead and strives to win over anything else, and he has those traits more than Ball, Edwards or Wiseman. Also doesn't hurt that he'll not be bullied on defense despite his pedestrian size. He fits better than anybody else on your roster and he's up there as one of the most talented draft prospects as well.

I don't think he's a deadeye shooter, but there is absolutely reason to buy him becoming a ++ one in time. I'd like to see more of a blend of his passing + shooting, because it seems like he's focusing on one or the other when he's on the court. He's had some really nice relocation plays so far that I've posted to Twitter.

Defensively, absolutely - he doesn't back down. On top of the competitiveness, he has also had some DAMN nice rotations off ball (that I also posted to Twitter, hah). He's older for a top pick, but he's definitely T1 and QB1 for PGS IMO right now.

The competitiveness between Cole and RJ would be nice to see, too.

Cole would be such a seamless fit next to Frank and RJ. Would move Frank to a secondary/tertiary role that I think he's more suited for and Cole will do better against the smaller quicker guards that can sometime get Frank defensively.

At the same time the length,unselfishness, and size of Ball/Frank/RJ is so intriguing to me that I just can't rule it out completely.

[Zenzibar]

I mean, it is a PG heavy draft - Cole, Nico, Killian, Theo, Ball, Maxey, etc. Then you can add Ant as a combo G.

If the Knicks fall to 3, as of now, I'd heavily consider Isaac Okoro - I buy the shot and he'd be a great fit next to RJ and Frank on the wing.



Knox shouldn't be considered part of the core, IMO, and should be available for a first round pick...which might be difficult, because I know prevailing thoughts around the league are not very good surrounding Knox and his potential / future.

That's being trigger happy and short-sighted. Two traits that the Knicks have had for years.

Knox is DEFINATELY a core piece. He's a mere 20years old and has a strong man child body already.
Knox is obviously getting better at decision making as the game is decisively slowing own for him. Kevin's jumper is butter and significantly more accurate than last year. By age 22 Kevin Knox will be a bonifide 4 spot monster.

And you want to trade this? For what again?

I'm against being short sighted as well, but Knox isn't all that. He has major defensive issues, isn't a playmaker, and is a poor version of a combo F because he's not long, strong, or physical enough for the 4 and isn't quick enough on defense to be a 3 (and lol at Fiz trying him at the 2 - watching him get burned by guys off screens is disgusting to watch).

He's not strong, though - not sure where that's coming from, nor has he ever played physically (this going back to HS). It's cool if we disagree, I'm simply willing to trade someone with a limited ceiling for another first round pick - the issue with what I want is I know teams aren't high on him due to his major finishing issues (23% around the rim in the HC, which is 1st percentile in Synergy lol), not a playmaker, poor defender, and the shooting is nowhere near good enough to negate the negative parts of his game. He's young, yes, but these are issues that have always been there.

You're posting splits from high school? Lol
Give us splits
from last year to this year per 36 minutes. Then we'll talk.

[robillionaire]

I'm just saying you're supposed to buy low and sell high not trade 20 y/o project players when their value is low. I'd rather send him to the g-league and let him try again in year 3 than trade him for nothing. They tried to trade frank for nothing last year too. Now he's shown improvement year 3 and they could probably get something of value for him now. I guess if RJ goes into a sophomore slump next year we're gonna try trade him for a pick too? Be patient people

[Capn'O]

Cole Anthony seems like such an obvious draft pick for you guys. You need shooting, and he can shoot and has the best pedigree out of all top prospects by far. You need a primary ball handler who can also thrive off the ball, and that is what Cole brings to the table. You need someone who can lead and strives to win over anything else, and he has those traits more than Ball, Edwards or Wiseman. Also doesn't hurt that he'll not be bullied on defense despite his pedestrian size. He fits better than anybody else on your roster and he's up there as one of the most talented draft prospects as well.

I don't think he's a deadeye shooter, but there is absolutely reason to buy him becoming a ++ one in time. I'd like to see more of a blend of his passing + shooting, because it seems like he's focusing on one or the other when he's on the court. He's had some really nice relocation plays so far that I've posted to Twitter.

Defensively, absolutely - he doesn't back down. On top of the competitiveness, he has also had some DAMN nice rotations off ball (that I also posted to Twitter, hah). He's older for a top pick, but he's definitely T1 and QB1 for PGS IMO right now.

The competitiveness between Cole and RJ would be nice to see, too.

Agreed with all of this.

My rough initial take between him and Edwards is that he's got the Je Ne Sais Quoi but Edwards has a bit of an all around skill advantage. I haven't really delved into the others yet but generally need to see a little more variety from Wiseman and some hope for defensive abilities with Ball.

[Capn'O]

it's still cole world for me as well

Due to the Je Ne Sais Quoi?

[god shammgod]

I'm just saying you're supposed to buy low and sell high not trade 20 y/o project players when their value is low. I'd rather send him to the g-league and let him try again in year 3 than trade him for nothing. They tried to trade frank for nothing last year too. Now he's shown improvement year 3 and they could probably get something of value for him now. I guess if RJ goes into a sophomore slump next year we're gonna try trade him for a pick too? Be patient people

you're not getting much for knox now anyway, so there's no point to trading him. you're not using him to move into the top 5 with dennis & a mavs pick.

people have to realize too, that a couple of the kids who right now everyone is high on, won't be that special in the league. they all don't work out.

rebuilding can be a long painful business unless you get lucky. everybody claimed they wanted it but they really don't have the patience for it. i understand, it sucks to watch. which is why knicks management always went for the quick fix. they know their audience.

[god shammgod]

it's still cole world for me as well

Due to the Je Ne Sais Quoi?

in some ways, it's the same feeling i had about rj. will to win and attitude, likeliness to put in the work to get better. it's the skill set as well though.

[Capn'O]

IMO, with Knox, the upside is a very good all around offensive player that is passable enough on defense and playmaking to play 30 or so minutes. He's shown some strides towards becoming that player. IMO, the best value is to simply wait out his rookie deal and see what he shows. Unless, of course, a no-brainer trade presents itself where we could get another top 10 pick or so with him.

Do that with your rookie contracts and you'll lose some guys for nothing but also not lose out on guys who can eventually be starters for you.

[Deeeez Knicks]

I'm not sure who I prefer yet, but def sign me up for one of the guards (Ball, Cole, Edwards).

[DOT]

Say we have the 1st pick, and the Warriors offer us DLo and their pick for 1

What pick would that have to be for you to take it, or would you just say even if it was 2?

[TheScout31]

That's being trigger happy and short-sighted. Two traits that the Knicks have had for years.

Knox is DEFINATELY a core piece. He's a mere 20years old and has a strong man child body already.
Knox is obviously getting better at decision making as the game is decisively slowing own for him. Kevin's jumper is butter and significantly more accurate than last year. By age 22 Kevin Knox will be a bonifide 4 spot monster.

And you want to trade this? For what again?

I'm against being short sighted as well, but Knox isn't all that. He has major defensive issues, isn't a playmaker, and is a poor version of a combo F because he's not long, strong, or physical enough for the 4 and isn't quick enough on defense to be a 3 (and lol at Fiz trying him at the 2 - watching him get burned by guys off screens is disgusting to watch).

He's not strong, though - not sure where that's coming from, nor has he ever played physically (this going back to HS). It's cool if we disagree, I'm simply willing to trade someone with a limited ceiling for another first round pick - the issue with what I want is I know teams aren't high on him due to his major finishing issues (23% around the rim in the HC, which is 1st percentile in Synergy lol), not a playmaker, poor defender, and the shooting is nowhere near good enough to negate the negative parts of his game. He's young, yes, but these are issues that have always been there.

You're posting splits from high school? Lol
Give us splits
from last year to this year per 36 minutes. Then we'll talk.

23% in the halfcourt (HC) this year. My bad for not being clear. If you want last year's I can get you those too, but 23% this year in the halfcourt "with added strength" is bad.

[HEZI]

Say we have the 1st pick, and the Warriors offer us DLo and their pick for 1

What pick would that have to be for you to take it, or would you just say even if it was 2?

Take the deal

Grab Vernon Carey Jr

[Richard4444]

Say we have the 1st pick, and the Warriors offer us DLo and their pick for 1

What pick would that have to be for you to take it, or would you just say even if it was 2?

DLo only makes sense if we draft Edwards (Otherwise, we will draft another PG). But I think Edwards will be the GSW main target.

[Deeeez Knicks]

IMO, with Knox, the upside is a very good all around offensive player that is passable enough on defense and playmaking to play 30 or so minutes. He's shown some strides towards becoming that player. IMO, the best value is to simply wait out his rookie deal and see what he shows. Unless, of course, a no-brainer trade presents itself where we could get another top 10 pick or so with him.

Do that with your rookie contracts and you'll lose some guys for nothing but also not lose out on guys who can eventually be starters for you.

I think he can be a solid player eventually, but he seems like one of those guys that is going to take 3 or 4 more years to come around.

[Zenzibar]

I'm against being short sighted as well, but Knox isn't all that. He has major defensive issues, isn't a playmaker, and is a poor version of a combo F because he's not long, strong, or physical enough for the 4 and isn't quick enough on defense to be a 3 (and lol at Fiz trying him at the 2 - watching him get burned by guys off screens is disgusting to watch).

He's not strong, though - not sure where that's coming from, nor has he ever played physically (this going back to HS). It's cool if we disagree, I'm simply willing to trade someone with a limited ceiling for another first round pick - the issue with what I want is I know teams aren't high on him due to his major finishing issues (23% around the rim in the HC, which is 1st percentile in Synergy lol), not a playmaker, poor defender, and the shooting is nowhere near good enough to negate the negative parts of his game. He's young, yes, but these are issues that have always been there.

You're posting splits from high school? Lol
Give us splits
from last year to this year per 36 minutes. Then we'll talk.

23% in the halfcourt (HC) this year. My bad for not being clear. If you want last year's I can get you those too, but 23% this year in the halfcourt "with added strength" is bad.

That's interesting cause to the naked eye, Knox looks a whole lot better.
Thanks. But still let him fulfill his rookie contract before casting judgement is how I look at very young players.

[TheScout31]

You're posting splits from high school? Lol
Give us splits
from last year to this year per 36 minutes. Then we'll talk.

23% in the halfcourt (HC) this year. My bad for not being clear. If you want last year's I can get you those too, but 23% this year in the halfcourt "with added strength" is bad.

That's interesting cause to the naked eye, Knox looks a whole lot better.
Thanks. But still let him fulfill his rookie contract before casting judgement is how I look at very young players.

Totally fair and understandable!

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I've made a few videos on him this year, but Aaron Nesmith from Vanderbilt has been fantastic this year. Went from early 2nd on my board to mid first. Two way wing, similar in some ways to a more mobile Wes Matthews with a little more passing. He's also the only player in college basketball shooting 60% from 2 and 50%+ from 3 with 40+ attempts from 3 taken (as of this past weekend).

Paul Reed is another one who has gone from 2nd round to first on my board. Went from taking ~1 3 a game, to shooting off movement a bit. Good defender, nice scorer and has added range to his shot.

[ADeP7]

Say we have the 1st pick, and the Warriors offer us DLo and their pick for 1

What pick would that have to be for you to take it, or would you just say even if it was 2?

See that’s tough cause I like dlo a lot.
I’d love to snag him and then get Edwards but in this scenario I’d assume you’d be letting the warriors take Edwards.
So then it comes down to ball Cole or wiseman
Wiseman blocks Mitch but then again can cole or ball fit with Barrett and dlo.

In that scenario I’d see I’d I could reroute Russell and get extra picks and assets.
Draft Cole or lamelo and see if I could package Russell to gain some unprotected 1sts or some young guys from another team for him

BPA available to me is Edwards, coming more and more towards lamelo based on sheer potential.
Fit right now is lamelo or Cole just because it gives us our pg

[Marty McFly]

Say we have the 1st pick, and the Warriors offer us DLo and their pick for 1

What pick would that have to be for you to take it, or would you just say even if it was 2?

if it's the first pick, it would be tough. you have to imagine that if they're desperate enough to trade the 2nd pick and d-lo, than maybe the guy at one might be generational. I think i hold onto the pick at that point.

[Capn'O]

it's still cole world for me as well

Due to the Je Ne Sais Quoi?

in some ways, it's the same feeling i had about rj. will to win and attitude, likeliness to put in the work to get better. it's the skill set as well though.

I agree about Cole. He seems like one of those players that's going to take the right steps to maximize his talents. Just keep him away from Kevin Johnson.

[Mecca]

Say we have the 1st pick, and the Warriors offer us DLo and their pick for 1

What pick would that have to be for you to take it, or would you just say even if it was 2?

If they pick #2 or 3 and want Wiseman, I tell them they have to eat Randle's contract and throw in a future pick. I would do that.